If I did my math right, it's still ~1k CE more expensive to buy from the Supply Depot than it would be to just craft yourself (counting recipes and mats, using only CE), and without the chance of UVs along the way.

Another patch, another QQ thread.

Supply depot gear doesn't have the UV's you can get by simply buying off ah or rolling on crafting.

Lol @ Aylnine

Players no longer will trade weapons unless the weapon has some ridiculous UV

4000ce unbind fee compared to 3500ce weapon is pretty fking ridiculous
Some of us used to make business by making rare 5* weapons and selling them, for example callahan. Now I no longer can make profit by doing that, my in game money stream ended and OOO is waiting for me to bring on my credit card after I run out of CE

The 5* gear in AH is now about 500k cr each, by buying an item straight from SD it costs about 225k cr. See what's wrong here?

"The only advantage to buying from the Supply Depot is to save time, since your gear won't need 15 levels of heat."

Any idea how much does that cost time & ce...
Bad patch, really bad. The weapons should be 6000-8000ce. The amount of gameplay you can now ditch is ridiculous

Assuming what people were actually saying was that the Depot was ruining 4* and 5* gear trades -- and if that's so then my last post was in error, even though what it says is true -- does the Depot provide EVERYTHING in the game? I haven't checked personally yet, but does it now have every single piece of gear possible? Because if not, then it hasn't really ruined anything. If your item of choice was something now offered on the Depot, why not switch to another piece of gear? Is adapting to changes really horrible? I understand being frustrated about being kicked out of your niche, but is it that hard to find another one?

I highly doubt it was ever intended for players to make money selling gear to each other. The way the game is set up seems to me like OOO wants us to explore the clockworks and earn the gear ourselves.

Wow....these patches are getting dumber and dumber with every update. It will eventually get to the point where the game won't be worth playing anymore for most sensible people....who have a life......all depends on future patches.

"selfish middleman"
Do you realise that what people were selling was convenience? It is a service. If there is something selfish its someone wanting to buy any weapon at crafting+unbind costs so don't make me laugh.

To be perfectly honest, I thought 4k CE to unbind a 5* item was a total ripoff to begin with. This isn't much better, but it at least makes it a little attainable for those who want a stock piece of 5* gear and don't want to go through heating the series of items (perhaps for a costume?). It also keeps 5* items from costing nearly double the unbinding cost in the AH (though at least now some of the 500k+ cr 5* items actually have UVs as of the last time I checked). However, it still costs far less to make the item yourself, which leads me to the issue that I have personally with this patch and perhaps the Hall of Heroes in general...

Exactly why is practically every piece of gear or even the corresponding recipe up to 5* now attainable without diving through the clockworks? Sure, there are still boss weapons you need to seek out Basil to get the recipes for, but for the most part now there's literally no random factor to getting most of the gear. It used to be that even if Basil didn't have what -you- wanted, chances were it had something someone else would want, letting you either make a little profit off of buying a hard-to-find recipe and auctioning it off, or even bartering the recipe you have for the one you want. The mission system effectively kills that aspect of the economy with the sole exceptions being some of the boss gear, although I've even seen Charged Quicksilver gear in the Depot, and I've read that Mercurial is there too.

It's beginning to look like OOO wants to throttle the player-driven economy this game was known for by any means necessary, although I'm sure if Nick or one of the other admins post in this thread they'll say that it was done to allow newer players to obtain these items in the event that energy prices become exorbitant, which as someone who played this game back when energy cost half of what it does now, sounds like at the very least a plausible explanation.

The whole point of 4k unbind was to make in unprofitable to grind up 5* gear, unbind it and sell it on the market. It would mean only the very best or rarest gear would be worth unbinding at that level. But people keep buying stuff at inflated prices so Three Rings decided to cut out the middlemen and sell them the armor directly to the consumer.

The only people who are bitter about the prices are those who's bottom line is directly affected and their friends.

This kind of thing just makes it harder for the F2P population to make money. It calls for a literal standstill to selling non-UV items, and as of now I fully expect the only things on the market, soon, to be High/Max UVs.. :/

You mean "non-UV bound items", surely? I deal primarily in bulk 2*s and 3*s on the AH, and secondarily through mediocre-to-good (not uber) 2*s and 3*s on the forum. I don't see how the depot affects me at all. I have unbound something to sell exactly once, and that had a max UV on it.

I'm not saying "I'm okay, so who cares about you". I'm saying "most trades do not, and have not since the bind patch, involved non-UVed 4-5*s in the first place".

As for the idea that this screws over F2Pers in general, I'm really not convinced. I'm no longer F2P, but that's because I got greedy for good UVs. If I was content with meds, or lows, or none, I would have had made enough for full 5* of all resistances and damage types (through crafting) long ago just through selling and adventuring. Just playing the game will get you through all the content. Casual trading will get you through it faster. And big time trading is totally unnecessary unless you want to be a Max-collecting mob-stomper or Lockdown god, in which case you'll have to put in some real effort. Maybe that will mean changing what you deal in. So? Do it, or downgrade your ambitions. (Not "you" specifically; you seem to have plenty of resources already.)

I think it's worth noting that the people complaining so far are players like you, Pawn, Mbcscp, and Rommil. High rollers, in other words, except by comparison to SK tycoons like Chris. Your average F2Per, or low-end P2Per, isn't feeling this at all. I'm not saying I don't see where you guys are coming from, but I would question whether the consequences are really as far-reaching, and harmful to the general playerbase, as they may seem to you.

Despite my disagreement with the OP, I would love for that to happen.

yep. This is what i am telling people, and most cannot see it. Max UVs are going to become more rare. Then if people are turning profits on UVs they'll make them in featured auctions or on the depot (rare and good UVs. They are already working there incrementally. Look everyone, here is 1* gear with near max UVs...not a big deal.....soon we'll give you 5* gear with med UVs....nothing to see here.....oh, here you go, a featured auction with vh ctr on a DA...this is okay, right? Don't mind us, just a round of double max uvs....)

Its coming. baby-steps. They are just loosening you guys up for it. Its only a matter of time now (but then, i guess it was only ever a matter of time).

Another thing to consider, as OOO shifts the entire economy into their own pocket. Many are "hide-their-head-in-the-sand" dumb to it, but the life's blood at the top level (end-game) of any successful mmorpg ends up being ultra-rare items, and economy games. OOO is neatly combing both of these into one stream that they own and control. So in effect, they are saying "only we get to play the economy" and "nothing is rare." In doing so, they create a transient world in which we are all merely passing through. Even players such as ruby-eclipse who once would make it to the top and rule for a long time, will become visitors to the world of spiral knights.

The life-span of the known men will be shorter in duration, less intense in nature, and SK will own a less epic place in all of our memories for it. Sure, we'll come back and visit from time to time. Run a new mission, play a new boss. But it won't be the same. It'll make the game of spiral knights a more trivial experience for those that come after us.

"Max UVs are going to become more rare."

You haven't explained why.

"Then if people are turning profits on UVs they'll make them in featured auctions or on the depot (rare and good UVs."

Speculation. If and when that happens, I'll be right beside you picketing. Not until then.

The 0* items don't look like a foot in the door to me. They're there because many players who couldn't do the starter missions for rewards (due to having already crossed the chasm) wanted to be able to get them, and requested a means of doing so.

Also, I don't believe they'd ever do anything to make Punching and ragecrafting less desirable, because those are the two biggest CE/cr sinks in the economy. Every few times someone triple tickets, OOO drains as much as they do from selling a single high profile featured auction.

This patch eliminates actual player to player trades because its rife with scamming. You can still WAY overprice 4 and 5* items in the AH and noobs WILL still buy them. Remember, normal players never buy 4* and 5* items in the AH due to the price slant anyway and noobs won't have access to the 5* items in the depot until they complete enough missions to have access to them.

Why would the market be empty? The people buying clean 4-5*s from the depot are not the people who would have bought UVed items from the AH or the forum.

But let's say you're right that people will prefer to punch their own UVs (for, uh, whatever reason). What will they do when they want a CTR VH but get an Undead VH instead? Are you telling me they're not going to unbind and sell when they find someone who wants exactly that item? Really?

I don't believe it offers token lines.

Anyways, the point of this game has ALWAYS been to craft your own gear, not buy it. OOO put unbinding in so people could trade very top-tier UV's, not so marketers could merchant their way into fortune (they still can with this patch, with UV rolling). Crafting is still the cheapest, still the most logical, and the path the game is supposed to head down. If it takes too much time, well, this is a video game, what're you doing on it if you don't want to level up and spend time?

There was such incredible rage when the unbinding feature came out because everyone believed you shouldn't be able to buy your way to 5 star... now players are upset that others can't buy their way to 5 star through them! Oh how the tables have turned... And don't say it's "easier" to get 5 star weapons now, it might be "faster", but you could get twice as many 5 star weapons with the CE you spend... so that that as you will.

Oh wow, ppl are starting to see what i have been telling since long time, OOO with every update is reducing amount of ways in which players can earn money. First basil buissnes (now finished off totally with KO) and items reselling. Just wait for mats bound on purchase and patch changing AuctionH to AccesoryH

I can imagine how you feel. I'm just saying, just because the sky's falling for you doesn't mean it's falling for everyone. In a multiplayer game, someone's gain is someone else's loss. Glad that Antigua lines are now pure ele? Well, someone else was using them especially for the split. Love it when a new promo appears and the CE price drops because of added supply? Someone else makes their crowns selling CE they bought with real money and is cursing the fall in the market. Happy that you can get a nice shiny chap in the featured auction? Someone who got theirs way back is mad that their limited edition item is now not so limited. Enjoying the free mission gear and recipes? Someone else paid for theirs, and now feels cheated.

Yes, some changes are pretty much pure derp. Other changes help some players to the detriment of some other players. (And yes, help OOO rake in money too. Duh, they have to do that.) This change falls in the second category.

Is that really so many?

Really?

Maybe it is, IDK. I find it baffling. Is this how you guys made all your money? Too bad I missed out, I guess. Figures that I'd only learn where the gravy train was after it's gone. . . .

Its fine as it is