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Mon, 03/12/2012 - 16:34
Damienfoxy's picture
Damienfoxy

Ok, so i've finally accumulated some decent weps, and stocked on slots as well. I've been curious as to whether my loadout is decent or not.

Divine veil UV freeze def low
Divine mantel UV freeze def low
Barbarous thorn shield

Dark thorn blade UV damage vs gremlin med, damage vs construct low
Combuster
Acheron.

I will substitute the combuster for either glacius or warmaster rocket hammer.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 16:54
#1
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
Arsenal forum. Lack of pierce

Arsenal forum.

Lack of pierce resist. Lack of normal.
No shadow shield, no elemental shield.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 17:15
#2
Damienfoxy's picture
Damienfoxy
The divine set is elemental

The divine set is elemental resistance incarnate... What are you talking about?

As for piercing, wolvers are easy, and spike traps are the most obvious dodge. The only real worry is a horde of jelly turrets from T3.

Also, the shield itself has high pierce and normal defense. So what are you getting at?

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 17:23
#3
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
A jelly hit will hurt. A

A jelly hit will hurt. A chroma spit/lick will hurt. A wolver bite will hurt. An alpha wolver will destroy you. Polyps will rip you apart even more.

Fiends will destroy your shield. It will not last under a kat bullet hell. Overtimers will eat you. Greavers will laugh and chaindive your shiny butt.

Shield stats =/= armour stats. A shield will only protect itself, and when a shield is raised, you suffer from reduced movespeed and are unable to attack. There are times when you must hit while being hit to be able to get out of a jam.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 17:31
#4
Damienfoxy's picture
Damienfoxy
And yet, the only real

And yet, the only real problems i have are fiends with their unrealistic toss speed.

Every other armor set is unbalanced, or reduces speed, which i don't need. I don't want a set that favors defense in one, and penalizes in another, i need a balanced, all around setup. With what i have, elements are nothing to me, which is defense on a wide scale as it is.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 17:38
#5
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
So assuming you are

So assuming you are decent/pro/whatever you call yourself, defence is not exactly necessary. Why not get some offensive bonus?

By the way, elemental defence does not protect from everything. Only constructs and gremlins.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 17:57
#6
Damienfoxy's picture
Damienfoxy
The most offense bonus i have

The most offense bonus i have is with the shield and UVs on my swords. I'm also currently leveling a cutter to hunting blade with ctr low, and damage vs constructs medium. I guess you could call me skilled, i've beaten vanaduke with just two people, keeping him frozen with glacius while the other needled him.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 18:11
#7
Dukeplatypus's picture
Dukeplatypus
You should consider Demonic's

You should consider Demonic's advise. He knows what he's talking about and is much better at giving advice than I. If you want my opinion, you should never underestimate wolvers, they can be ferocious in packs. Maybe switch out divine mantle for something like Skolver because the mantle gives no stat buffs.
oh and you missed quicksilvers, they do elemental too.

Edit: just noticed I'm describing my profile picture, heh.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 18:10
#8
Iron-Volvametal's picture
Iron-Volvametal
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"I guess you could call me skilled, i've beaten vanaduke with just two people, keeping him frozen with glacius while the other needled him."

...

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 18:19
#9
Damienfoxy's picture
Damienfoxy
In all honesty the wolvers

In all honesty the wolvers are the easiest for me. Just a dark thorn blade and they fall quite fast.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 18:28
#10
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
Meh. I didn't count

Meh. I didn't count quicksilvers because it isn't their primary attack. But yes, they do to.

I'd like to point out, glacius freeze on vana is not reliable. I would consider that more skill on the blitzer's side, dodging vana when hes not frozen, then yours, just charge spamming.

Consider this. Full vog gives you a healthy amount of fire resist, elemental, and normal. You also have Very High ASI, just by having the armour. Comparable elemental defence as full divine, more normal, less shock, and less curse. Rarely you will have to defend from elemental and shadow at the same time. Lack of shock may be punishing, but it is in no way penalized like you said before.

I use wolver sets as an example, because there is one set for each damage type. Elemental/VH asi. Piercing/VH damage bonus. Shadow/VH damage bonus. Gunners have elemental/ VH asi, piercing/vh asi, piercing/med bonus damage. Bombers have the unfortunate luck to only have elemental armour that gives bomb bonus.

If you want an all around armour set, try Divine veil+skolver coat. You get resistance to all 4 damage types, and 2 of the most dangerous status along with freeze. And a sword damage med.

I also recommend one shield for each damage type, just in case. You don't want your shield breaking at the wrong time, simply because you don't have the right damage type. Crest of Almire/Skelly for shadow, and owlite for elemental. Or volcanic plate shield, if that be your fancy.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 18:35
#11
Damienfoxy's picture
Damienfoxy
Did you take into account

Did you take into account that vanas fire orbs can block potential shots? I'd go for vog if it wasn't so incredibly overused and hideous. Skolver, maybe... Just maybe.

If you wish, i'll give the rundown of that whole battle.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 18:44
#12
Kaijuhunter's picture
Kaijuhunter
Cool

Well, that set is pretty good. I reccomend the standard Azure Guardian Spiral Gear as it is more well rounded even though it has no bonuses. But, however, thats a pretty solid set. U should be fine.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 18:44
#13
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
Costume option. It exists in

Costume option. It exists in this game.

Block potential shots? As in, blitz shots? So when the only one dealing damage in p5 gets a few shots blocked, the more skillful one is you? You do know said fireballs will also block your charges.

But by your logic, skolver should be even worse. Almost everyone uses it in LD. Sure, you might not play it. But, it does get used very often.

There is a reason equipment sets are popular. Because they are useful. Because they work. Your OP was asking whether your loadout was decent or not. I said no, and gave the reasons why. All the reasons I gave were true. There is no one loadout fits all, besides divine veil and skolver. Your best defence will always come from 3 specialized sets, one for each damage, complemented by 3 specialized shields of the same nature.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 18:49
#14
Damienfoxy's picture
Damienfoxy
I use a wolver coat for

I use a wolver coat for costume, i have my tails tails on it, so i don't want to risk losing those in an upgrade. It's got increased piercing def high

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 18:53
#15
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
Upgrading a gear does not

Upgrading a gear does not destroy accessories.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 18:55
#16
Iron-Volvametal's picture
Iron-Volvametal
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^ Unless the Upgrade has something Blocking Certain Parts.(Mad Bomber Mask) ^

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 18:56
#17
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
^

QFT

Also like gunslinger's front accessories.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 19:02
#18
Iron-Volvametal's picture
Iron-Volvametal
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What's QFT?

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 19:08
#19
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
Wutisthisidonteven

Iron doesn't understand qft?

Quoted for truth.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 19:25
#20
Iron-Volvametal's picture
Iron-Volvametal
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I'm a Meme Curator, not a Textologist.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 19:35
#21
Dukeplatypus's picture
Dukeplatypus
You realize you can just

You realize you can just craft or buy another wolver coat, right? God forbid, the devastating impediment of 50 energy and 1k cr is too much for your blood.

and that is a pretty obscure acronym, you know.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 19:37
#22
Dukeplatypus's picture
Dukeplatypus
dammit

Arg! My first double post! And I was doing so well too.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 19:40
#23
Damienfoxy's picture
Damienfoxy
Yes i do realize that. But

Yes i do realize that. But it's the piercing defense high. I also don't want to lose the color. I could churn out massive amounts of them and try to get the uv again, but meh

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 19:43
#24
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
I'm not sure what prompted

I'm not sure what prompted you to put that accessory on it then, if you had no wish to upgrade. It's a good uv.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 19:46
#25
Damienfoxy's picture
Damienfoxy
Color was the only one. It

Color was the only one. It matched the tails, and the color change i purchased.

Yes i know, i'm vain -.-

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 19:56
#26
Dukeplatypus's picture
Dukeplatypus
Oh, sorry. Missed the UV bit.

Oh, sorry. Missed the UV bit. I guess if you really find the tails so important, you can probably get a good deal for one on AH or likewise. They go pretty cheap. IMO they don't really look very good on most things, including wolver. That pierce high would make for a pretty good skolver though.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 19:50
#27
Damienfoxy's picture
Damienfoxy
I'm not exactly swimming in

I'm not exactly swimming in CE atm. The market hit me hard too.

But i can manage T3 solo, alot of it is thanks to my controller rather than keyboard

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 20:35
#28
Derpules's picture
Derpules
Put tails on wolver pierce high

and then. . . don't upgrade it??

What. Are. You. On.

If you're not swimming in CE don't, waste it on stupid crap. Choosing never to upgrade a Pierce High (with the exception of keeping it 3* for T2 LD) is just pissing away money.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 20:38
#29
Damienfoxy's picture
Damienfoxy
... It was a gift from a

... It was a gift from a friend...

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 20:41
#30
Derpules's picture
Derpules
Doesn't really matter.

Profits not made also = waste. Why wouldn't you just sell the Pierce High Wolver and put the tails on a clean Wolver instead?

I know, can't change the past. But seriously, what a waste. I'd consider selling that piece and buying a tails tails fresh. If you can find someone who was going to put the tails on their Wolver anyway, you should come out ahead by quite a bit.

Mon, 03/12/2012 - 20:48
#31
Damienfoxy's picture
Damienfoxy
It came WITH the tails. And i

It came WITH the tails. And i don't want to change it because of the color.

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 05:11
#32
Dukeplatypus's picture
Dukeplatypus
The color doesn't match,

The color doesn't match, though.

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 05:20
#33
Aureate's picture
Aureate
Processing Thoughts of You Always

/facepalm

You have no normal defence or piercing defence on your armour. Whilst Divine set is perfectly good, you're only getting a Medium bonus versus Fiends from the set when you use all swords (ignoring the benefit of the shield) and would benefit the most from a fully upgraded Wolver kit.

You don't have to use the coat with the accessory on it... a piercing UV is nice, but not entirely necessary. Get a different Wolver Coat and start fresh for a Skolver coat or something.

Also, you could really do with a sidearm for taking out turrets. AP and Polaris are generally the two best choices for swordsmen, not to mention AP looks cool - you'll get supereffective damage against two out of three turrets.

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:09
#34
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
I believe it has been

I believe it has been established that Damienfoxy is a player who takes into account aesthetics slightly above usefulness.

In which case, I have no clue how to help you. I can only give the sets that help you the most, along with sets that I personally prefer.

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:33
#35
Nordlead's picture
Nordlead
If you can solo all T3

If you can solo all T3 content then why are you even bothering to ask us if it is good gear?

For starters, your UV Peirce High is worthless since you only use it for costume armor. Costume armor does nothing to your defenses. Again, a WASTE. Stop saying you don't want to get rid of it because of the UV when you refuse to use the UV anyways. Your BTB has mostly useless UVs since your Acheron is better for Gremlins, and pierce is useless against constructs. Your double low freeze UVs are close to useless since med total will only shave 1 second off of a long freeze time. So essentially you have 2x elemental, 2x shadow, 2x Fire Max, 2x Shock Max, and 2x Curse Max. 2x Curse Max is useless since you don't have a Gran Faust. Freeze, Poison, Pierce and Normal attacks will tear you apart. That includes monsters outside of the Beast and Slime families.

Also, no normal = bad armor. Most monsters either do mixed normal/special or pure normal or pure special in T3. I can't say I know of many situations where shadow + elemental damage happen in the same level. (FSC has minimal elemental damage in puppies, but does have a lot of normal damage in trojan smashes and vana mace).

It'll fail miserably in the unknown passage (almost all normal damage), and will be useless if you ever try the Ice Queen lair (tons of spiked projectiles). And even if you think wolvers are easy, it'll probably be bad for the rabid Snarbolax

I have 2 helms, and 2 coats and my gear is significantly better in every situation with the exception of shock environments. Even then I have a shock specific shield that lets me shield more blows.

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