Spiral Knights - Autogun with UV Very High DMG on Fiend: Plague or Blitz?

Autogun with UV Very High DMG on Fiend: Plague or Blitz?

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Wed, 03/14/2012 - 14:37

Plutogold

So I've already read tons of articles, and found out that the Blitz Needle is far more powerful than the Plague Needle.
Also to my luck I crafted a Autogun with UV Very High DMG on Fiend.
Problem is I have already a Strike needle in my arsenal (with UV ASI low) that waits to become a Blitz...

But what I wanted to know is, is it possible, for a charged Plague Needle Attack, to one shot a Trojan with the UV?
Because it does very little damage compared to the other gun and I don't want to risk it by trying it out.

But also, I can see from runs that many players managed to one shot Trojans with Blitz without any bonuses added, so I thought where's the point to have the UV if they die already without it.
That's why I thought to make a Plague, which does more dmg than usual.

What considers Vana, I actually don't care if I do the most damage or not, at least I manage to beat him with the group without wasting energy for reviving =)
(what I meant is only 4* or 5* weapons to use to beat Vana)

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Yeah that's right, I was just crafting an Autogun for the lolz and got suddenly this awesome UV
I was like OMGWTFBBQ
But I don't know if I should keep it or sell it?

I don't even know how much worth is this weapon for the AH or that I should craft it into a Needle Set.
What advice can you give me?

P.S. Nope, I don't give this weapon for free =P

EDIT:

Oops, I have the game on German and there the Fiend Family are called Demon Family (Dämon on german)

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 15:09

Demonicsothe

Not sure if you mean Fiend or

Not sure if you mean Fiend or Undead.

If fiend, you could sell for a decent chunk of money. Not as much as asi or ctr vh.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 15:22

Mk-Vl

@Demonicsothe

I think he meant it had a VH Dmg vs you! O.o

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 16:20

Demonicsothe

...... Is it the eyes?

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 18:21

Mk-Vl

Eeerm

......Demon is part of your name?

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 00:51

Abathur

I would keep it :) Later you

I would keep it :) Later you will be one of these guys who pay too much money for getting stuff like this. Rare things - allways keep them if you can use them *cuddles his max pen def uv hat* ^.^

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 01:56

Derpules

^"Pen def"?

Is that supposed to protect against a new devilite projectile or something?

Anyway, I don't agree that it should necessarily be kept. If the OP sells it at an intelligent CE price, that's CE that can be put towards something else which s/he may want more.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 02:16

Abathur

Allways a question of the

Allways a question of the game style - do you want become endgame or just have fund until there :)

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 02:46

Derpules

I don't see the relevance.

If "becom[ing] endgame" was the OP's overriding concern, the logical thing *could* be to sell the autogun and put the proceeds of that sale towards crafting 3/4/5* gear.

It's actually just a question of whether the OP values this UV more or values the CE s/he could get for it more (regardless of what that CE will be used for).

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 03:51

Abathur

i was not talking about

i was not talking about "becoming" endgame in mind to get 2*, 3*, -> -> 5*, i was talking about that kind of "becoming endgame" where you just farm expensive UVs, where you got everything :P however yea - pretty much was Derpules said :D

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 03:54

#10

Plutogold

Well yeah the decision is

Well yeah the decision is still hard, I planned also to get a Seerus Mask and to have eventually a Gunner Set.
But I believe I will keep it and next time when I'm lucky again I will sell it on the AH.

P.S. Meant Fiend! Sorry for the mistake but I have the game on German ^^"

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 05:25

#11

Abathur

The damage bonus vs fiends

The damage bonus vs fiends will let you oneshot trojans even more easy, even at t3 with full group and with just 1 dmg med trinker.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 07:24

#12

Derpules

One thing to bear in mind

is that although this is a really good gun/UV combo, it isn't that highly valued in the market. I don't know about the AH, but you would have difficulty getting more than 1.5k CE for it on the trade forum. (In fact, a VH Fiend has been sitting at 1.5k CE BO for a while now.) Something to consider when weighing your liking for the UV against the CE you could get for it.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 09:26

#13

Dukeplatypus

At VH fiend you wont need a

At VH fiend you wont need a damage trinket to OHKO a Trojan, you just need to aim and time it well.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 05:35

#14

Plutogold

Old Topic / New question

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 06:45

#15

Dirty-Harry

The Plague Needle does not

The Plague Needle does not one charge kill a Trojan with a VH damage bonus with a full party, I am not sure if it can one charge kill a trojan with a full party with a Max damage bonus.

The people you've seen one charge kill a trojan without any bonuses either have gun damage trinkets, you weren't playing with a full party, or the trojan was poisoned/already damaged when you saw the charge attack.

Vana doesn't get effected by UVs for damage bonus, so you would do the same damage either way. I'm not sure what you were trying to say, since being able to do more damage would make him die faster, meaning you wouldn't have to revive as much.

If you're really concerned about wasting your strike needle, then sell your UV'd autogun and either get gun damage trinkets or live without 1 charge killing trojans.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 06:57

#16

Plutogold

Well yeah, I've never pay

Well yeah, I've never pay attention to the trinkets that the players had so that means it's better that it becomes a Blitz, so I have not to waste my trinkets for it.

What I wanted to say about Vana is, that I have more fun when it's challenging than to use Shiver, Blitz, Shiver, Blitz....

Anyway thanks for your answer it really helped me =)

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 14:57

#17

The-Rawrcake

Plague vs. BlitzPlague =

Plague vs. Blitz

Plague = Party utility.

Blitz = if you are that solo Blitzer

Chances are... you are that only blitzer of the group, which is mostly the single gunner's job in a group, if you are a swordsman take this as a sidearm into consideration with your swordsman knowledge.

If you have like 3 people spamming Blitz on Vanaduke, then one of them having a Plague Needle is in your group's best interest. A Plague needle can also be used as your personal syringe gun, poisoning something like a giant lichen colony creating a much weaker lichen colony for better party utility and whatnots. Chances are, you will poison after one normal shot, as my blight needle usually poisons something with just one normal shot.

On a Trojan, which is the other part of gunner's carrying a blitz job, you can one shot a Trojan that has a 4-player health pool if ALL bullets hit AT very high damage. That is, with BLITZ (a charge attack ofc)

So if by "Damon" or whatever the heck you mean that it is indeed a fiend very high UV, if you get a blitz it will one shot trojans. If you get a plague needle, it will not in a 4 player group.

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