If someone complains that it will no longer be good against toothpicks - Remember, you don't need 2 trinkets for MAX damage. Use a health trinket, if you need to.

I think it's fine. Shadow armor is much more useful for PvE and fits the theme of the armor better. They don't have to base their decisions on the current Lockdown metagame, and if a future Shadow weapon becomes the dominant weapon in Lockdown, it'll just make it that much more powerful.

Holy crap.. why would anyone complain about an upgrade. You die in 2-3 hits of a toothpick even with the pierce defense.

Honestly I rarely see any gunners besides myself using shadowsun in PvP anyway... this thread should be deleted.

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The 6 extra hp you can get from a pendant is much more beneficial than having piercing def.

What Dirty-Harry said.

PFfffffft, don't complain about a good thing.

@Derpules
I'd rather keep ASI on Justifier as the set that is often combined with extremely slow Callahan.

@Metagenic
Not only Lichens and Polyps have piercing range attacks - actually almost all piercing attacks are mid/long ranged attacks:
- Jellies underground thorn attack is mid-range attack
- Toxigel spikes are long-range attack
- Salamander/Tundralisk/Virulisk/Electrolisk spits are long-range attack
- regular Chromalisks have mid-range attack
- teleporting Wolvers haven't got ranged attacks, but as they are able to teleport you can't keep them at distance all the time.

Actually only small lichens haven't got any sort of mid or long range attack and one can easily keep them at safe distance.

Don't take me wrong - I'm not saying that piercing defence is more crucial then shadow defence, or that I'm supporting this thread. I'm just saying that both defences have theirs uses :-D

- Jellies' underground thorns don't count because they don't actually shoot at you

- ...Toxigels are lichens

- Status-themed Chromalisks' saliva does have range, but it's just an area denial attack and doesn't do anything to you unless you actually step on it

- Regular Chromalisks...yeah sure, but it has very little range

Not trying to shoot you down, just saying that against ranged attacks, shadow defense is disproportionately more useful than piercing.

@Katta
Assume that an LD gunner wants max damage bonus. Right now gunners in LD need full shadowsun + 2 elite trueshots to get max damage bonus. This update will allow them to get max damage bonus with just full shadowsun + 1 elite trueshot. The other trinket slot, can thus be used for a health pendant.

Skolvers have 2 health pendants and piercing defense in both situations, the difference is that in the future one gunners will lack piercing defense but will have an extra 6 hp instead. I'm saying that this 6 hp will help them more than any amount of piercing defense can.

The end of gunners in LD? Far from it, I expect us to get stronger

If this change goes through, i may end up quitting the game, since there's no guarantee that i'm not just wasting my time, effort and money on working toward getting an advertised set and having it completely altered down the road.

Posted this elsewhere, but obviously relevant to topic:

"I must say, i feel like the victim of a bait-and-switch.

After spending months looking for a Max Poison UV Gunslinger and Hat , i was finally able to craft a Shadowsun Set that wasn't completely hampered by it's deficiencies.

It took me a while, but i finally had a set with pierce defense that i was very fond of. Now that's all out the window.

And i'm left without a pierce armor and forced to buy a different set.

Bait Advertising as defined by the Federal Trade Commision.

"Sec. 238.2 Initial offer.

(a) No statement or illustration should be used in any advertisement which creates a false impression of the grade, quality, make, value, currency of model, size, color, usability, or origin of the product offered, or which may otherwise misrepresent the product in such a manner that later, on disclosure of the true facts, the purchaser may be switched from the advertised product to another."

I paid upwards of 6000-7000 CE to find the Max UV's, buy the recipes, and craft the items to make and fix the item that they inititally advertised as part of the game and now OOO's decides to change the item and force me to spend more CE :( "

Another lawsuit?
Oh god what will OOO do

Besides, it wasn't a bait n switch. It isn't as if they are nerfing shadowsun. It's getting a buff, with the damage bonus.

But anways. By your logic, no game should ever have updates. I paid to play this game as is, not with more contents.
OOO Y U ADD CONTENT

"Your really trying to sue or pressure OOO with that statement."

No i'm not.

But as a savvy consumer, i've used the FTC, BBB, CPD and Office of the Attorney General when i've had issues with companies that needed to be resolved. I'm not one to just let people take my money.

That said, no, i'm not going to "sue" OOOs...hehe. It would be way too complicated and frankly silly.

"But I don't think an item in a game is considered a product."

Not yet, but the internet is still in its infancy. Eventually, they'll be considered real products.

"Do keep us posted on how any lawsuit that develops from this turns out."

You don't have to take people to court to get results. You simply have to talk to the right people. Most people are content with taking a loss, not me, i'm persistent. When i feel slighted, i go all out.

"No offense or anything, but if you are feeling slighted and is going all out over something on a game, it is ridiculous. SK isn't even a big or popular game."

I think you misread my post. I was responding to different people, the comments aren't meant to be read like a narrative, they're all self-contained. Read them one at a time.

My final statement was just to remind Ret that (in general) you don't have to go to court to get results. I don't intend on pursuing the matter. Like i said, it would be silly. I don't generally feel slighted when i consider something silly.

With regard to the change in the armor, i feel like i wasted a lot of time and effort, but it's not a real slight, as far as i'm concerned.

"But do keep us posted on what you are doing in order to change your gunner set back so your swords can enjoy the benefits of the pierce defence."

Probably go back to wearing my Grey Feather set in all situations like before.

But if it so happens that they change the way the Shadowsun Set works, i'll probably quit the game. I don't want to risk spending time and effort if the expectation is that sets can be altered without warning.

Besides you two, I havn't seen anyone or heard of anyone who wants to quit over this. I've heard mostly happy things in haven when I pointed out in /z that gunner armours are getting buffs. I also mentioned the defence change.

This is honestly the first time I've seen anyone so serious about changes being made to a game. And I've played League. I know the nerfs and various stupid things they do for no apparent reason. There's the usual, you made this useless, or you made this op. But never have I seen someone saying they'll quit because a game dev changed something. Not because it was changed to something useless or too strong, but just because they changed something.

Most people are indeed used to it. Change is what makes players come back. If it was the same thing over and over, it becomes tedious to play a game. And that is not the point of games.

Yes, this is what MMO's do. I'm sorry if this doesn't appeal to you, but it works. I wouldn't say resigned. You seem to hate change, which is perfectly fine. But don't label a majority of a gaming community to be mindless sheep, playing w/e the company wishes them to play. That irks me, the way you call MMO gamers to be somehow less than regular people who can think.

But again, if you wish to believe that you are somehow above everyone, with your method of thinking and your beliefs, feel free.

"You don't have to take people to court to get results. You simply have to talk to the right people. Most people are content with taking a loss, not me, i'm persistent. When i feel slighted, i go all out."

I feel as if you're greatly overstating the amount of influence you have in this situation. In fact, I feel like you're greatly exaggerating just how much you personally know about business law, or just the general applications of laws and your comprehension of FTC standards. On the note of you quitting, it sucks to see people leaving because of one particular thing being changed, but honestly if people leaving makes room for members who aren't so uptight about a single stat change, then I say it's probably for the better to begin with.

But to be back on topic - I personally feel as if this petition is founded on personal bias more than actual data and research on why Shadowsun should stay Piercing and not be converted into Shadow, and as such, I will not support a petition to have the changes reconsidered.

Here's the thing Poetry. You say you have no intention of taking up any action against OOO. And yet, you say that you can. That can be taken as a threat to take action, whether you do or not. If you weren't going to do it, and was not going to pressure OOO into doing something, why not just state you are unhappy about the change, instead of going into all your qualifications to take an action?

I am not saying that the damage bonuses buffer on shadonsun stetson it is wrong, this is a very good improvement, but what I want that the piercing defences keep in there, not shadow.
What do you think if the skolver sets it is buffered to shadow defence? do you like it? this would be good to??

NOTE: This is not any personal request, actualy I have Justificier hat and suit, I dont have the shadowsetsun, and also, I dont play PvP very much, I like Pve more than PvP, but, I see Whit this buffer a super population of sets skolvers in Lockdown like the only vial to win (more than aready has) I am thinking in the balance of the lockdown game.

LOCKDOWN HAS NO BALANCE.

A threat is a threat, doesn't matter how empty it is.

I have this gun here, it has bullets in it and in real life I use it to shoot people who don't give me what I want.
I'm not saying I'm going to use it or anything, it's just there.

"Slightly paraphrased version of what you said."

Let's face it, i'm pretty sure most people don't even bother to read previous comments (or read them properly) before posting. I can't be held accountable for what other people THINK i said.