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R.I.P Fiends (Devilities no longer dodge)

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Fri, 03/23/2012 - 03:45
Zinqf's picture
Zinqf

Just came back from work and was helping a friend with a fiend based level and what did I notice?

Devilities don't dodge. The upgraded ones still do their dance at range but that dance does not negate damage like it and the passive dodging were capable of doing.

I find it very interesting. Making the game easier isn't always the best decision, then again this does increase overall gunner viability. So I'm not sure exactly what to think here...

(Edit: Also a tad confused on why I didn't see this in the patch notes? Did I miss an earlier version that did this?)

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 03:52
#1
Ufana
I think this is a bug. A

I think this is a bug. A mender I tried to torture with a sentenza yesterday also didn't dodge a single time, not even when I was aiming left / right of him. Do any mobs still dodge?

( I think this issue was existing prior to the most recent update already... not sure though, haven't played much. )

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 03:53
#2
Zinqf's picture
Zinqf
@Ufana

It's possible its part of all the gunner buffs they were dolling out. I can't think of any other reason for umbrella dodge nerfs.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 03:56
#3
Asukalan's picture
Asukalan
There was an update where

There was an update where they turned off ability of Companion Knights (from missions) to react to bulltes (reaction to bullets is dodging, burrowing, shielding up). With that update they made ALL monsters not react to bullets anymore. So far they fixed mecha knights only, why they left devilites and wolvers too?

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 04:10
#4
Maeko's picture
Maeko
I don't believe anyone

I don't believe anyone noticed the bug with Wolvers and Devilites; or if they did, not as much as with Mecha Knights.

All we can do is show that we found it and toss a topic in Bug Reports

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 06:29
#5
Nordlead's picture
Nordlead
maeko is probably right. I

maeko is probably right. I never noticed because I don't use guns and I haven't really played much outside of FSC recently. Also, I didn't see a single post in the forums complaining about other monster types, only mecha knights not shielding.

EDIT: I also wanted to add that I think OOO made Greavers too easy. I was playing poison greavers today and it seemed like their status cloud didn't do much. Now, I had Crown of The Fallen + Snarby Coat so it could be that, but it seemed like the mist wasn't doing anything at all. Obviously it was slightly broken before since you could get completely trapped in the mist so easily. I'll have to try out other greavers later.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 07:29
#6
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
Greavers no long chain

Greavers no long chain status.

R.I.P. Greavers

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 09:13
#7
Wuvvums's picture
Wuvvums
If it's not intended and

If it's not intended and that's indeed a bug, I hope it's not considered an exploit to kill them with guns.

Mainly because guns are all I have.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 09:53
#8
Sniperjoe's picture
Sniperjoe
Ahem,

Devilites still dodge. I did notice that they don't seem to dodge as much, or slip into a dodge-dance (back and forth repeatedly till their next attack)

It's still fun to get into shootouts with them, and they are still a challenge. Fear not.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 11:15
#9
Lukehandkooler's picture
Lukehandkooler
*It's possible its part of

*It's possible its part of all the gunner buffs they were dolling out.*

Huh?

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 11:24
#10
Aumir's picture
Aumir
Overtimers still dodge

Overtimers still dodge repeatedly though, so still it is something.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 11:26
#11
Nick's picture
Nick
Developer
This issue is a bug and will

This issue is a bug and will be fixed shortly.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 13:00
#12
Treizeknight's picture
Treizeknight
Maybe while you're at it we

Maybe while you're at it we can nerf their attack speed. When they wind up and hit you before the game registers you put up your shield, something is horribly wrong. (Inb4 'Hurr get better reaction time')

Also the hitboxs for the zombie's jump, It's annoying when you strafe out of their attack and the you still take damage.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 13:10
#13
Asukalan's picture
Asukalan
OMG, get out of here silly

OMG, get out of here silly crybaby. You have 'silly, pointless and pathetic' nerf request? Make a proper topic on suggestion forum.

And yes, get better reaction time. Work with your skills, change internet, server or just deal with it and avoid devilites.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 13:13
#14
Bluescreenofdeath's picture
Bluescreenofdeath
@ Treizeknight. Attack speed

@ Treizeknight. Attack speed is fine. You are experiencing lag (either from the server or due to your connection). The Zombie jump does feel buggy though (not entirely sure this is not a lag related problem as well).

I don't want to see the Devilites nerfed. I am still sad about how terrible the wolvers have become (seriously not even a remote threat anymore).

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 13:20
#15
Treizeknight's picture
Treizeknight
It's much easier to ask for a

It's much easier to ask for a nerf. Even if it doesn't happen, watching you get flustered is worth it.

Speaking of other rebalancings that should be done:

*Reduce attack speed of Lumbers, Jelly and Rocket Puppies so they aren't instantaneous the split second they commit to an attack
*Reduce Demo Gremlin bomb spam
*Have Slag Guards drop hearts in Shadow Firestorm Citadel
*Remove Zombie jump attack damage, they were fine like they were originally.
*Nerf Devilities further, because they're suppose to be underproductive, their attacks should match that.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 14:42
#16
Asukalan's picture
Asukalan
"Even if it doesn't happen,

"Even if it doesn't happen, watching you get flustered is worth it."

Your all suggestions, no matter where you post them, and how you justify them, just became worthless (even if they showed some value before).

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 16:44
#17
Gwenyvier's picture
Gwenyvier
Personally I am glad that the

Personally I am glad that the Devilites will be able to dodge again, I like the challenge the little *bleeps self* give.

~Gwen

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:28
#18
Batabii's picture
Batabii
Dude there's no reason to put

Dude there's no reason to put your name after your post when it's RIGHT THERE NEXT TO IT

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:31
#19
Xylka-Mkii's picture
Xylka-Mkii
"Dude there's no reason to

"Dude there's no reason to put your name after your post when it's RIGHT THERE NEXT TO IT"

1. That dude is a female.
2. Its a signature. Not a big deal.
3. Why do you even care?

Sorry, just had to. :P

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:38
#20
Batabii's picture
Batabii
1. "Dude" is just an

1. "Dude" is just an expression
2. This forum does not have signatures (nor is there any reason to put your own name in a forum signature of any kind)
3. It's annoying and spammy

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:40
#21
Gwenyvier's picture
Gwenyvier
Why is the rum gone?

I am sure the GMs would have said something to me about it by now if it was an issue... I have been using it for almost a year now after all.

~Gwen

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:44
#22
Batabii's picture
Batabii
Just because it's not against

Just because it's not against the rules doesn't mean it's not annoying and spammy. Also it's a known fact that the GMs (admins) are slow to respond to forum issues.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:45
#23
Treizeknight's picture
Treizeknight
Your all suggestions, no

Your all suggestions, no matter where you post them, and how you justify them, just became worthless (even if they showed some value before).
"Your all suggestions"

I invoke the incorrect grammar clause, all your opinions are now invalid.

Also, I'm laughing at your inferiority complex.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 23:03
#24
Zinqf's picture
Zinqf
@Nick

Great to see that is cleared up <3

@Asukalan - The devilites DO throw things instantly thus trumping reaction time. But you have to fight them differently, either you block their attack and counter attack or you dodge their throw by "Square Strafing". Think of it like Circle Strafing except you aren't walking in a curved or diagonal way. The reason you do this is because the projectile speed can even catch circle strafing. The "Square" can also be a "Diamond".

@Treizeknight - The attack speed of devilities are their primary strength, it means you have to fight them in a trickier way since reaction speed isn't a factor...Just because you have to fight them differently, does not mean devilities are OP. Therefore your nerf call was also out of line =)

And yes, the zombie jump seems to deliver a massive aoe rather than a small one when they land. The hit also seems to register about 0.3 seconds before the zombie lands. I adjust my dodge timing to move that much earlier, but that doesn't mean the move itself isn't a little buggy.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 03:34
#25
Asukalan's picture
Asukalan
@Treizeknight A drowning man

@Treizeknight

A drowning man will catch at a straw. Time to point out my typos and grammar mistakes?

@Zinqf
I know, its great things will be back to normal, im great fan of all Fiends and way they work now and the thing that you really need to think before fighting them instead of rushing ahead.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 07:48
#26
Pepperonius's picture
Pepperonius
This subject line sponsored by Batabii

Considering Gwen has been around longer than Batabii, and between the two, i'd say Gwen contributes to the community a great deal more, I'm just going to end my post with this.

- Perronius

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 08:55
#27
Simohayha's picture
Simohayha
Devilites are a good model

Devilites are now probably the hardest mob type in the game since the greaver nerf (which is welcomed because getting status-locked is a BS way to die). And I'm okay with this. They require strategy, tactics, and gameplay skill. I honestly would love to see beasts get a little buffed, they're too easy right now.

I don't mind the zombie jump damage (makes FSC much more interesting), but I would like the hitbox to match the animation like Zinqf noted.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 08:55
#28
Treizeknight's picture
Treizeknight
@Asukalan It's still a higher

@Asukalan
It's still a higher standard to your attempts to invalidate my points, but if you feel that misdirecting from your own follies is sufficient for your self-esteem, who am I to argue with you?

@Zinqf
The big issue I have with devilities is the fact that you can have a speedy attacker. You can have something that shoots fast projectiles but having something that's a speedy attacker that shoots fasts projectiles is just downright annoying and almost always a big no-no unless they do negotiable damage, which is not the case here. Also the other big issue is in devilite battle rooms have you fight a union of devilites at once, so you have to deal with multiple attacks, AND the room is filled with spike traps to limit your own mobility. You have to admit that, that specific combination does get annoying.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 08:55
#29
Treizeknight's picture
Treizeknight
@Asukalan It's still a higher

@Asukalan
It's still a higher standard to your attempts to invalidate my points, but if you feel that misdirecting from your own follies is sufficient for your self-esteem, who am I to argue with you?

@Zinqf
The big issue I have with devilities is the fact that you can have a speedy attacker. You can have something that shoots fast projectiles but having something that's a speedy attacker that shoots fasts projectiles is just downright annoying and almost always a big no-no unless they do negotiable damage, which is not the case here. Also the other big issue is in devilite battle rooms have you fight a union of devilites at once, so you have to deal with multiple attacks, AND the room is filled with spike traps to limit your own mobility. You have to admit that, that specific combination does get annoying.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 09:59
#30
Batabii's picture
Batabii
So apparently experience

So apparently experience trumps common sense...

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 10:50
#31
Treizeknight's picture
Treizeknight
A hundred travel books aren't

A hundred travel books aren't worth one real trip.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 10:49
#32
Evning's picture
Evning
I must be a noob

Did not feel any different for me and i thought everything was fixed =[
Yes i gun.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:11
#33
Jcasdfqwer's picture
Jcasdfqwer
@ Batabii

Your OCD is showing. She typed a whopping FIVE characters after her posts and you think that's annoying? You complain that it's "spamming" yet at the same time you make 3 entire posts about something so trivial, which I find pretty ironic.

"So apparently experience trumps common sense..." - Apparently you're under the impression that expressing your petty grievances = common sense. Lmfao. I would really hate to meet you in real life.

Alright I'm gunna go kill JK now. (Here comes the "OMG IT'S ROYAL JELLY NOT JK")

~Jcasdfqwer

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:33
#34
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
Well... Gwen does

Well... Gwen does occasionally have Newg posts. It's part of her personality on the forum, like how you dislike people calling the royal jelly, jk.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:35
#35
Batabii's picture
Batabii
She's spamming it OVER AND

She's spamming it OVER AND OVER IN EVERY SINGLE POST. She's going out of her way to be a nuisance. I fail to see how you don't think this could bother me.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:47
#36
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
Going out of her way to be a

Going out of her way to be a nuisance, like you telling everyone that jk is incorrect, and that everyone is wrong. Even when it doesn't apply to thread topic. That is a lot more annoying than 5 letters. Besides, she really isn't doing this to spite you.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:54
#37
Jcasdfqwer's picture
Jcasdfqwer
@ Batabii

"She's going out of her way to be a nuisance" - I wasn't aware that you were able to read people's minds. You believe that she's only adding her signature just to annoy you? Don't flatter yourself, you're not that important.

I fail to see how any normal person who isn't inflicted with OCD could be bothered by something as insignificant as a signature. It's pretty amusing how flustered you're getting over it though, please continue.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 13:34
#38
Slayzz's picture
Slayzz
@Batabii Go pick on some one

@Batabii Go pick on some one else. Quit bothering people about insignificant things.

Also, the quick reflexes of the devilities do provide a challenge. I guess it makes up for the easy zombies. Which is harder: FSC with zombies, or FSC with all devilities in place of the zombies (fire ones). That would be cool, and make FSC interesting again....until some whining sissy complains about devilties being OP and gets them nerfed where they don't attack.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 14:02
#39
Extribble's picture
Extribble
Stop the fighting, you're

Stop the fighting, you're tearing this family apart! D:

Now that I've let that go, could we seriously stop the complaining/fighting about insignificant things? If you find this to be a serious issue, make a separate topic since this topic was to discuss the inability of fiends to dodge (which has since been fixed).

So can we move on now?

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 18:54
#40
Dark-Flare's picture
Dark-Flare
/agree Extribble

Seriously. The problem has been resolved.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 21:57
#41
Psychorazer
Ohai again guise

Agreed. Little insignificant things like these are nothing to be bickering over. It's just a few characters on the bottom of a post, I don't see how it bothers anyone.

But just so you guys know who I am:
Psychodestroyer-on-a-reg-account/posting-alt says hi /wave

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 22:00
#42
Batabii's picture
Batabii
@Demonicsothe Except that I'm

@Demonicsothe
Except that I'm right, and I can prove it. And if she wasn't before she is now.

@Jcasdfqwer
I never said "To me". And it is going out of her way, even if it is only "five keys".

@Slayzz
If it's so insignificant, why does she have to do it in every single post?

@Extribble
When did they fix it? I didn't see any updates today...

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 22:07
#43
Psychorazer
...............

The whole world doesn't revolve around you Batabii. Gwen's been pulling the '~Gwen' thing in EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HER POSTS since I've been on the forums, and that was back in July last year, before I switched to a steam account. First time I saw Gwen's posts, it had it.

Saying that she's just doing it in spite of you now makes you sound self important.

It's a GODAMM personal unique thingy! Like how I made it a habit to type in [End Transmission] Every time I log off in the company of friends/guildies/people who know me!

I don't see why you're getting your underwear in a knot over this. My stupid posts I do every once in a while are probably more annoying to EVERYONE than Gwen's sig. Rangerwill had one, and Guardianknight's is longer.

You sir, have a problem. But whether it's an anger problem, a self-superiority complex or are just mad/trolling, I don't know.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 22:27
#44
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
I think he's just reading her

I think he's just reading her sig backwards...

So he think's every gwen post is a newg post xD

But really. How do you prove she's doing this in spite, when all her other posts addressed at other people have the same exact sig. Is it because when you ask, she doesn't stop? Can't conform everyone. Not possible.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 22:31
#45
Jcasdfqwer's picture
Jcasdfqwer
@ Batabii

"She's going out of her way to be a nuisance." "I never said 'To me'." - Tell me, who else do you see here complaining about Gwen's signature other than yourself? You are the only one who seems to have this obsessive frustration over how she decides to end her posts. Therefore it is heavily implied that you believe you are significant enough to be the sole reason why Gwen continues to add her signature to her posts. Get over yourself, you narcissistic child. You really do seem to have a pretty bad case of OCD. I advise you to go to a doctor and ask him/her to prescribe you some Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI). I'm not joking.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 23:21
#46
Kaffaljidhma
Dial down the drama. Signing

Dial down the drama. Signing posts was a relic from the time people were transitioning from email correspondence and forums didn't have username formats or posts were excessively long. It's old convention and is obsolete, but you've got to think hard about why you're deriding a person that practices this rather than just pointing it out. I bet if a different tone was used, better results would have been obtained instead of a huge ego fight that looks ridiculous to everyone not involved.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 23:35
#47
Andrew-Wiggin's picture
Andrew-Wiggin
I am much amused.

Mayhap I should start forum trolling in addition to trade chat trolling?

~Self Proclaimed Narcissistic Godling and Schizophrenic Ruler of the Universe

Edit: Oh yeah. I hereby invoke Godwin's Law.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 01:28
#48
Guyinshinyarmour
--

Wow, people are picking dumber and dumber things to argue over these days.

That said, a signature of your name on a forum makes you look pretentious. Is Gwen pretentious? Probably not. The action is though. Should anyone care? Nope.

On Godwin's Law: [Link]

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 03:46
#49
Dirt's picture
Dirt
People get upset over dumb

People get upset over dumb things all the time. I don't know why any of you are shocked by this development.

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