2* weapns are not important beause you will most likely not have them very long.

And I thought the thing that made winmillion unique was the PROJECTILE, not whether or not it lunged.

Dunno if it stays this way, but Blackhawk (according to a quick search, still) has a couple of tiles less range than Silversix. I don't see any other mechanical differences between the two between the obvious damage typing difference, so the ranges need to be equalized in some way.

Yes, 2* weapons are VERY important because they give a newb impressions of the future weapon. 2* Snarble Barb shoots spines just the way the 5* BTB does. 2* Calibur's charge works well in T1. Even the puny 2* Brandish produces an explosion.

2* Alchemers don't have ricochet bullets - which is supposed to be the entire point of an Alchemer. Why would people stick with (and upgrade) a gun with only 2 bullets in the clip if it didn't appear to have any redeeming qualities?

I think that the "inflict status on yourself" charges should be removed.

The Gran Faust is completely outshined by the Acheron now, and the Fang of Vog is outclassed by ANY elemental brandish, but the Fire one (Combuster) inflicts status over a wider range and with more of a chance to do it.

Sure, the Faust is the ONLY sword with curse, but does that make it the most amazing thing ever again. It's great, but it's greatly outclassed in speed, damage, range and everything else. Same thing with the FoV, and that's fire inflicting you. Something you can't avoid the damage from, and not to mention the damage done from the FoV is good, but you have to be right next to the enemy while the Brandish can hit them from a distance with a better chance of burning.

The "Inflict status on yourself" should be removed, because due to the brandish buff it's no longer strong enough to be fair to keep. The Curse isn't strong enough to make it viable to Curse yourself, and the burn that can be done by the slow swings by the FoV aren't good enough when the Combuster can blow it away and burn it with its charge.

Also: FIX THE SPUR

Well first of all I think the brandish was fine just the way it was, but to put it back to where it was at this point would cause a riot.
The weapon is literally a 7 star weapon now. Before, the weapon would do 3 explosions at 5 star, but now the 3 star does the 5 star charge.
This means if the old 5 star is now 3 star, then the new 5 must be considered 7 star (due to basic math, if 5-2 = 3 then 5+2=7 in comparison).
I believe heavily that the brandish line is very, very, overpowered, and even though I loved my Acheron, I saw no reason for the buff because I already loved it. Now it's just a death monster.

Plus, there's been so many threads on "toothpicks" the children call them, while I believe the more sufficient term would be "Rapier", are overpowered in lockdown, so I'm not going to say that here.

Things to Fix on the spur:
A.) The first swing back the way it was. Keep inline with swords now? Why? That's like literally saying "we're making this sword like other swords, less unique." That sword step-in at the start was its initiator, it's key point, almost as much of a trademark as its Winmillion disk-projectiles. They truly don't realize how much that one move really made the sword amazing, and unique. They need to return it. I understand that the "pepperbox" was a bug, but this wasn't a bug. This is just bullsh-.
B.) Charge attack. Just 100% revamp the thing. It does low damage, poor set up time, no range and worst of all it can be canceled out by guarding. What's the point?
C.) Its damage. Just a small buff, not a very large one. It's fast so its speed should make up for this damage, but it does seem lacking a bit in the power category if you ask me.
D.) Lack of 5 star. Enough said. It's been a favorite of many people in the game, and people who main guns and bombs even agree to this sword needing a 5 star version (I say this because More gun/bomb users agree that the spur should get a 5 star, while many sword/gun and even some bomb users don't care much for the Radiant sun shards getting a 5 star.) This weapon is popular, it'll cause money to be dumped to obtain enough CE to get your perfect spur, why not upgrade it? It can be the new sword that rivals the brandish in a new, fun, and not completely overpowered deathmonster-like way.

@Quotefanboy - doesn't the higher range and knockback of the Faust and Avenger make it safer to use than the Brandish weapons, though?

Wouldn't the best measure of a weapon's effectiveness be how it fares when its abilities are put to the test the most? Two of those cases are large swarms of monsters weak to the damage type, and boss strata.

I can't speak for the boss strata, but I know feel safer with a heavy sword than with a medium sword when faced with a large horde of gremlins (weak to shadow) or zombies/mecha knights/phantoms/etc (weak to elemental). Heavy swords can safely swat them away with their first strike, in a manner that medium swords can't.

As for the Brandish's charge attack, I think there are two ways of using it. You can use it at long range for mediocre damage, but then why not just use a gun for more overall DPS? Or, you can use it close up for more damage, but you put yourself at risk of being counterattacked as you run up to the monster, since you can shield before you attack. There's nothing overpowered about a weapon that does more damage while putting the user at greater risk of counterattack.

In short, the heavy sword swipe feels like it's more reliable at avoiding counterattacks, even if it hits for less damage than a well-aimed Brandish charge attack.

Or are you saying it's overpowered in Lockdown? I thought everyone was saying Flourish was more overpowered?

Of all the things, I think OOO needs to fix the annoying glitch that a lot of charge shots will just explode as soon as they are launched when your back is to the wall.

I don't use the DA charge because I have the offensive advantage. I use the DA charge when... oh... idk... MY BACK IS AGAINST A WALL and I'm running out of space to maneuver! It's also really irritating to see that gorgeous eagle from the AP charge shot explode before it leaves the barrel of the gun because I was a little to close to a block behind me. Same goes with Polaris.

You know, the biggest problem with Gran Faust's charge isn't the self-inflicted curse.

It's the 5+ second charge time, even at level 10.

What's up with that, seriously? Everything else in the world is somewhere like 1-3 seconds, I think.

Well, the only thing I find "terribly wrong" about particular existing weapons is the Cutter family's mesh. More seriously, I find it hard to say this because of how they look, but I think I am not seeing enough of the Cutter family out there. Maybe it's the un-sword-like status infliction on the Poison branch and overspecialisation of the yellow one. Maybe it's the lack of interrupt power combined with the short range. Maybe it's kinda both? ...or maybe I'm just overcompensating for my distaste for their aesthetics. What do you guys think?

I think vapourisers, like the Alchemers, need some buffing at 2- and maybe 3-star. Long-term Swords start out with reduced damage output, but otherwise behave more or less like their 5-star incarnations- especially since the big bad Brandish burst buff. Bombs get damage reduction like swords, but also reduced range and charge speed. For guns, the only practical options for newbies are Alchemers, which also get big mechanical cuts stacked on top of damage reduction, as described above.

Doing for Alchemer charge submunitions and/or the ricochets something like what was done for Brandish blasts, (but less extreme) and buffing lower-star-level bomb blast radii to values closer to their 5-star incarnations, would probably take a huge bite out of the Wolver clone population.

Maybe it would also be a good idea to extend the Valiance's knockback down to its precursors, too, but I dunno because I've mostly ignored the whole line. It just seems... bland, I guess. Right now, it looks like the most unique thing about the Blaster line is that it's the only Kozma line that does not fork; it's like its defining distinction is being "the Gun from Mundania!" Perhaps an alternate branch with Piercing damage could make it more popular and provide something a lot of people have been clamoring for. :D

Mararon, add me to your tally. I got a Pepperbox in large part because I liked the idea of being able to yank Menders out of mobs so I can retire them safely, after reading about other users doing the same thing for the same reason. It's not a bug, it's a feature!