I just want to see what you guys think the worst 5* loadout would be for FSC, such as which one hinders you the most.
I've heard Mad bomber has fire weakness, but it also has good elemental resit though, so would that be the worst?
I just want to see what you guys think the worst 5* loadout would be for FSC, such as which one hinders you the most.
I've heard Mad bomber has fire weakness, but it also has good elemental resit though, so would that be the worst?
Proto Gear, excluding Shield, with an Unheated Ionized Salt Bomb as your Only Weapon.
Prior to the Skelly-line buff, someone was just screwing around and wore full Dread to FSC. It was hilarious watching him catch fire and run around burning for about 14 seconds before slumping to the floor, dead. Now Skelly isn't all bad.
It is hard to pick an armor that is noticeably bad for FSC. I guess Azure since it has no status resistance and there is little piercing damage, excluding carelessness on spikes, of course. Pair that with only one weapon - Dark Retribution - and you are all set for a very long FSC run.
Full Valkyrie would be terrible against fire.
@ Iron
You silly, I'm using that with an acheron :)
And I actually made it Proto w/Shield Acheron only for a full floor no death here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBPVRhTZEg4
(Ok i die at the very end, but it... just look.)
Thanks for the replies, all. So I'm guessing that Mad bomber and Azure are the worst as of now. How about in terms of shields and a full stack of weapons? Ofc we know Ionized salt and BaB are the worst, as... they are the worst. What about Swords and guns?Sentezza vs Umbra Driver? Acheron vs GF?
Also I will be attempting this if I can afford all the crafting costs.
full proto useing a proto bomb and gun I want some one to do an fsc run with those equips an record it
He said 5* loadout.
Probably Almire crusader armor and a Aegis. Run around with a GF. At least you wont get cursed as bad.
Go Ironmight Plate set with Triglav, Wild Hunting Blade, Biohazard, and Iron Slug.
What? Why 4 different weapons? Take 4 umbra drivers!
Also don't forget the 2 purrfect katnip pouches. Those are essential in any fail-loadout.
Nah, Full ancient set but carrying Gran Fausts. Sure, lots of life, but try to attack and not get hit.
Full Ancient Plate Set with Graviton Vortex & Big Angry Bomb Bomb as your Only Weapons. Not only will the Mail Slow you Down, the Bombs will, too, When being Charged, which you'll have to do every time if you want to Attack. Oh, & to Add Insult to Injury, your Shield will be Barbarous Thorn Shield.
Skolver Helm
Skolver Coat
Barbarous Thorn Shield
Elite Swiftstrike x2
Umbra Driver
Dark Retribution
Gravitron Vortex
Heavy Deconstructor
Agazide you noob, skolver lets you run through spikes :3
an armor set with curs and fire weakness if so that armor with fang of vog and GF
Valk + Jelly
All the wonders of fire vulnerability, now without the shadow armor!
The Ancient plate set. At least 50% of all damage will pass right though that armor.
Edit: If you are looking for weapons, I'd say an Ash of Agni, Venom Veiler, Callahan, and a Dark Retribution.
-Edit 2-
The volcanic pepperbox actually does decent damage. The callahan restricts movement slightly while retaining a low damage output against red rovers.
All status bombs make sort of decent weapons against everything in fsc if you use the small blast. Trojans, blast cubes and silk wings can even be set on fire. Also, callahan deals decent damage against zombies + better dmg against Vana, Trojans / Silkwinks...
Dark retribution is good against blast cubes and red rovers... also easy against vana if you don't want to use callahan there.
flamberge or rigadoon, with lets say mercurial armor and a jelly shield.
then as other weps, shadow vortex, the ionized bomb, and irontech destroyer.
as non 5-star armor, id recommend spiral scale.
Armor
Valkyrie Helm
Valkyrie Armor
Proto Shield
Weapon
Fang of Vog
Ash of Agni
A Fang of Vog charge shot with a good +dam bonus can practically instant kill Slag Guards too.
The point is that with a in zinqf's fail loadout, the valkyrie set would give a massive fire weakness.
While you could flail your slow fov during fsc, you would be tempted to use your charge, resulting in death. The proto shield doesn't help your combo'ing, but at the same time, it's not a 5* shield, so it would have to be changed.
Thyanks for the ideas guys.
So basically go with Valkyrie/Jelly/ Ancient Plate, AoA, GF and Umbra driver?
Did we get the shield sorted or is that still undecided?
No one thought my Loadout was the Worst?
Ancient Plate Set-Negative Movement Speed DeBuff & Only Normal Defence.
Barbarous Thorn Shield-No Shadow nor Fire Defence. The Damage Bonus is a Slap to the Face with the Weapons told to be Used.
Graviton Vortex-Movement Speed when Charging is very Noticable, combined with the APS' Movement DeBuff. Weak Shadow Damage, too.
Big Angry Bomb-Small Radius, Unimpressive Damage, & Movement Speed that of an Old Woman. Yep, you're in for a Ride.
That all the Haze Bombs, save stagger, in their entirety, are among THE BEST FSC weapons you could possibly have as a bomber full of boredom :P remember, I've killed vana with them :P
Either Valkyrie set or Chaos set.
Ancient Plate is actually decent in FSC. It won't help you if you crash into the shadowfire a lot, but almost all the enemies do normal damage.
@Starlight
I use my Chaos set in FSC almost all the time nowadays, and get a 8-9 second burn with no fire UVs. It really isn't that much of a problem.
@Ironskullkid
BTS ain't bad. :U
I'd personally say Ancient Plate Set, AoA/BAB/DR/Sent, or AoA/DR/GF/Sent.
Edit: Mmm. Mad Bomber Set, GF/Acheron/Sentenza/Umbra. With 2 Elite Boom Modules. No shield.
I highly recommend AGAINST using an Ash of Agni as a "horrible" weapon in FSC, Trojans REALLY hate that thing, it's pretty deadly, so it's not on the bad weapon list :P
EDIT: not to mention the guards hate it too, if you can waste enough time trying to kill them with it though
Although all status bombs are farily good in FSC, I chose those bombs because they have no crowd control. (Graviton vortex provides some amount of CC even if it lacks damage.) But I see your point.
If the question was asked a few months ago, I might have suggested the winmillion. But, that's not a 5* weapon.
I was also thinking of the Biohazard, but that provides explosions which could be used as crowd control, and zombies aren't that hard to hit.
@Bigfoot
Oh, that doesn't sound too bad really. Only barely more fire time than no fire resist. I'll change my opinion as just Valkyrie, though the (old) Dread Skelly set still takes the crown if it wasn't buffed.
@Starlight
Yup, woulda said Skelly myself had it not been buffed. Am liking the Universal CTR/Damage Boost on Chaos, makes a really nice set. :3
Indeed. Although I forgot the shield having to be 5*...in that case you will use the Royal Jelly Shield (5*).
@Traev You'd probably die from fire before the slag guard finishes exploding.
Azure Knight Mail
Azure Knight Helm
Aegis
Sentenza
Gran Faust
Acheron
There you go, the worst possible 5* set for FSC. All shadow means the oilers are the only thing you're good against, and the cobalt set only has piercing and normal resist and no stat buffs.
Yes, other sets are weak to fire or stun or shadow, but they make up for it in other stats (such as dread skelly having shadow resist)
Lawlno. The shadow resist does not make up for the fire weakness, partiality because the strongest fire in FSC comes from oilers and because 15 seconds of status is never fun.
Gran Faust and Acheron are half normal; replace them with the two other shadow guns so the player practically does no damage.
full ancient plate cause it only blocks normal and sentna as your only wepon or an iron slug
Oh I forgot about the umbra driver. But biohazard isn;t totally useless, it still poisons.
The wiki reports that Vana is immune to all shadow damage in phase 5 (http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Vanaduke - first paragraph of tactics section). I've never seen this verified - does anyone have experience?
If this is true, a lot of these pure shadow damage loadouts would not only be really difficult, but actually impossible to kill vana with weapons (with the exception of half normal swords).
I've finished off Vana with an energy rez blast before and the water orbs do something like -8 damage when they connect with his body. So perhaps there's still a chance?
Vanaduke is not IMMUNE to shadow damage in phase 5, though he is RESISTANT to it, there's a difference :P
Vanaduke is/was immune to shadow in phase 5, I tested it with both a Sentenza and an Umbra Driver. I haven't re-tested it recently so it could have been changed when they slightly buffed his elemental defense.
I was down there with a couple people and we all had only gran fausts, as a joking way to try out xlyka's challenge :P so I can say for sure that he is NO LONGER immune to shadow damage, even if he was.
Gran Faust doesn't count. It's half Normal so it'd still do damage even if he's immune to the shadow part. :P
After watching your bored duke run video, I'm fully convinced my loadout is the worst FSC loadout ever lol. Especially because you had max fire resist rather than max NEGATIVE fire resist xD.
Armor
Valkyrie Helm
Valkyrie Armor
Royal Jelly Shield
Weapon
Fang of Vog
Ash of Agni
Zinqf
Royal Jelly Shield has stun resistance
Something like Aegis would be less protective against those trojan smashes etc.
Also, Fang of Vog would take care of things too quick being elemental.
I say, that Ash of Agni you picked out is genius, Zinqf.
ONLY Ash of Agni the ENTIRE run xD you have to damage things with the initial mist hit.
Here is my thoughts in a bad set for FSC:
Armor:
-Ancient Plate Set
-Aegis
Weapons:
-Gran Faust
-Umbra Driver
-Sentenza
-Dark Retribution
Good luck finishing the run, that run is going to take hours just to get to the boss.
I use Mad Bomber all the time. It isn't the worst, because it's good armor. Those deficits are there to try and make up for the fact that I kill things so fast it isn't funny. With an elite boom trinket, I can kill zombies with one well placed bomb. Since they all pack together down there, i can clear some areas with two or three bombs. So, the only risk I suffer is catching on fire! Vitapods and Remedy capsules make fire much less scary, but at two health bars or more per tick, for 10 seconds, fire really is scary. Makes lag a beast.
So if you're wanting armor that makes you safe on the defense, sure, you can try and say Mad Bomber is bad. But that just shows you don't know what you're talking about. The offensive boost of Mad Bomber makes it awesome: The best defense is killing things so fast they can't hurt you!
Also Mad Bomber has normal defense, which there is some of down there. For worst probably you want a setup that gives only piercing and elemental defense. But that would be dragon scale, which gives fire defense, so...
I'm pretty sure vana's not immune to shadow and never was (incredibly resistant, though). I'm 99% certain that I finished off vana with a shadow driver some months back in one of my first few runs.
Chaos Cowl, Chaos Cloak, Biohazard, Umbra Driver, Sentenza, and Dark Retribution.
And of course the two five star sleep trinkets.
Whoever used Gran Faust, or Acheron, was doing it wrong. Anything with half normal damage in it will still do OK damage.
All the weapons I chose, are pure shadow, thus have fun doing 20 damage, except with Sentenza..you'll do nine damage.
:D
Depends, are you talking about overall damage taken?
Could have been skelly, before the buff. Shadowfire and pits would have done a buttload of damage.
Mad bomber's elemental would be nice, if you weren't lit on fire 9/10 of the time. But otherwise, you only take 4 and a half bars of damage from shadowfire. The extra 4 seconds hurts much more though.
Chaos has, supposedly, an even worst fire resist than mad bomber. But the bonus could be good for those risky players. And players who runs some sort of da/brandish+electron vortex+blitz.