Spiral Knights - Rant: Operation Crimson Hammer

Rant: Operation Crimson Hammer

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Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:43

Murex

Yeah OCH T3... I'm not good enough to do it alone or duo. This coupled with this huge lag I'm getting lately makes it so frustrating. I'm lagging everywhere I go though, not just SK. Internets probably got throttled again.

I also hate the fact that it's hard to find parties for any of the OCH tiers. Why? D:

Special mention to Omegaxion who helped me through some of the t3 levels, put up with my failings and uses his(?) CE to revive us when we're wiped. I couldn't thank you enough! P/s: If I'm not allowed to state his name here, tell me.

Edit: Also, uhh tell me what should be done there etc. It would be much appreciated.

Well, that's all folks.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:47

Kitty-Softpaws

It's hard to find parties in

It's hard to find parties in general. I'm lucky to get 3 party members at most.

I hope the T3 version really is harder than T2's & T1's. RJ fight >/= the crazy hammer gremlin mission. Almost tho..

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:49

Daarke

IMO

T3 OCH is ridiculously hard. First time I had to hit max revive multiple times.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:53

Murex

. . .

@ Kitty-Softpaws
Well, IDK about you. Maybe you're a better player than I am.

I do find the T3 version to be harder.

@ Daarke
Multiple times? Oh god.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:14

Juances

It's annoying yes, since gremlins get crazy abilities on T3,but tahts no different from say a random decon zone or a gremlin arena.

The difficulty is pretty standard for T3, but since it's somewhat new and has different enemies, people are just not used to it.
The mortars only mean you cant stay in one spot forever and stalkers are easyly disabled with any mist bomb.

The boss itself can be hard in small parties because of the high amount of gremlins, and the battlepods never stop firing.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:56

Kon-Ron

the problem is the reward

I made a run on OCH the friday in t3 and only got 4k cr... vana is easier and gives 7k or more. the "effort/ reward" balance is awfull and without a good party is just too hard, i was playing as support bomber with a gunner and 2 swordis... the swordis died a minimun of like ten or twenty times per level... (I guess they are noobs with 5* stuff)
also the Stalkers and the Mortafire can be a little hard to kill for people who neves saw them
I´m not gonna run OCH again soon, it just piss me off so much
PD: for 4k I prefer to do a run in RJP

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:57

Gwenyvier

Add me Murex, if I am on I do

Add me Murex, if I am on I do not mind running Crimson Hammer with you. I find it amazingly fun.

~Gwen

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:23

Guyinshinyarmour

I bloody hate the mortar gremlins. They're nothing but tedious to fight. You can't really bait them into attacking like Trojans, so their constant spinning to face you is just maddening. As such, solo runs are far too irritating to do and most of the teams I've run with can't really coordinate to blindside them since the guy attacking the front of the thing just eventually pushes them into a wall. Then there's the moments when they wedge themselves into a corner and won't leave... Their AI needs serious tweaking.

Least the Ghostmane/ninjas/whatever are pretty fun to fight. Doesn't make up for the mortars though.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:26

Heavy-Duty

...

OCH3 isn't that hard if you made it through the first two alright. I went into T1 the first time and died about 4 times. It gets easy. However, Vanny is more profitable. Plus, no one really wants to buy OCH unless its for the weapons and head gear. Crowns at the level fail (so does roarmulus, if you see a resemblance). End of the day: Gremlins are too cheap for a good amount of crowns. It's still fun, and weapons are kinda worth it.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 13:42

Xylka-Mkii

This... is a rant? Quite

This... is a rant?

Quite short. Anyway nowadays its not even profitable unless you're doing it just for the mask and items, (Which the Bomb was nerfed and the hammer is at best on par with Divine Avenger.)

And yes, it pays out ~2700cr for 5 levels of 50CE, and thats assuming your party doesn't wipe. NOT WORTH IT. (unless you need the mask)

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 13:56

#10

Fallconn

FALCON PUNCH!

2700 cr? it payed 6,800 cr last time i checked.....

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 14:01

#11

Capt-Chopper

Its not hard but annoying.

Gremlins with shields on their backs, gremlins with shields on their front. Especially after DR got nerfed, going through there as full bomber is just annoying and repetitive.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 14:03

#12

Fallconn

FALCON PUNCH!

what do you think a blitz needle is for? (the gremlins with shields on their faces :P)

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 14:51

#13

Merethif

It's not that hard if you

It's not that hard if you have good connection. The only moment that I can't manage solo without couple of revives is final battle with Seerus. But that's exactly how I feel about FSC so I guess I just have problems with bosses surrounded by lots of hazards and annoying minions.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 15:22

#14

Obsidious

All in fairness, I really like OCH

That said, it does seem like the amount of crowns got nerfed in one of the recent patches, as I remember past T3 runs giving around 6k, which is probably what this mission SHOULD give out; it does feel very much on par to that of FSC and Vana.

Regarding Motarfires, I really don't have that much of an issue with them, though granted their behavior could use some tweaking. Still, I'm usually patient enough to wait for them to fire and quickly run behind and get them. That, and when you ARE in a party, their annoyance factor makes it feel very sastisfying to pick up their rocket launcher and shield and run away with it in a taunting manner, all the while you let your team take care of them.

And thaaaaaaat said, add me up Murex. I'm always game for OCH despite the crown issue, as like Gwen, I find it incredibly fun. I tend to operate a flexible combat bomber, and though I prefer a large splash of nitro here and there (I've been working on my use of Nitro to make it more useful in parties), I'm always capable of switching to status support ;). Although, you will never find me without a sword. At all.

Also, I'm tempted to add Gwen because I need some extra buddies for OCH runs.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 15:35

#15

Tantarian

>I also hate the fact that

>I also hate the fact that it's hard to find parties for any of the OCH tiers. Why? D:
It's pay DLC with no incentive to be replayed. And then, to get the rewards you have to start from the beginning.
Of course you aren't going to find parties.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 15:56

#16

Quasirandom

I haven't tried operation

I haven't tried operation crimson hammer, so I don't know what's there. But I will say, if you're having trouble with gremlins, you might want to try picking up a sentenza, which is, by far, the best weapon in the game for fighting thwackers, scorchers, and demos.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 16:36

#17

Kitty-Softpaws

@ Xylka-Mkii

Quote: "Quite short. Anyway nowadays its not even profitable unless you're doing it just for the mask and items, (Which the Bomb was nerfed and the hammer is at best on par with Divine Avenger.)"

That hammer gets me killed more than any weapon I've ever used lol.. A slow weapon with a dash? I mean seriously.. I don't know who can master something as crazy as that for something designed for mobbing mobs. It's good on a boss fight tho that's for sure so I'll be looking forward to using it on them someday.

@ Murex
Feel free to add me btw!! I can do T2 with you only tho, I'm just crafting 4* gear now. & I agree, they should make this expansion something to look more forward to rather than just the mask & hammer/bomb. Just because OOOs made them doesn't mean we need to have have it/we want it. We have taste you know..(some of us do)

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 20:02

#18

Toastnaut

As said above, I guess

Tier 3 OCH is about on par with any other tier 3 gremlin dominated level.

The mortafires are only really tough if you are either alone (and don't have a mist bomb, which is good for the ghostmanes as well, of course.)

Payout aside, all tiers of OCH are lots of fun, as long as you have a decent group and/or the right gear to beat a few frustrating elements.

Until more people are done with the missions, it will continue to be hard to find parties for OCH and in the arcade. You can add me too if you want an OCH buddy, and I'll be happy to run it as long as you aren't rude, and I have time when you want to do it. (This goes for pretty well anyone, I suppose; Murex, Obsidious, and Gwen included of course.)

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 20:07

#19

Kon-Ron

I´m not saying OCH is hard, im saying that without a good party or a medium skilled party can be the most anoying run even worst than dark city
"@Kon-Ron i was playing as support bomber with a gunner and 2 swordis... the swordis died a minimun of like ten or twenty times per level... (I guess they are noobs with 5* stuff)
also the Stalkers and the Mortafire can be a little hard to kill for people who never saw them"
@Heavy-Duty. my swordi team mates aparently was on their first run to OCH ever and the suck because they dont know how to act or react (i´m not sure if them ever used the shield instead of just do random hits at everything)

in fact all the previous runs wasn´t hard i run it 9 times with friends to help them to get the stuff, exept for my first run in t3 without playing before the t1 or t2 version, all the other 7 runs was good, I was playing as a agresive bomber with DBB and DR (+blackhawck) and the mayor of kills was made by me (but as "Capt-Chopper" sayd it can be "just annoying and repetitive")

@Kitty-Softpaws. true, i found the hammer not usefull without a ASI med all the players I meet in game saying is good are vog´s or use it whit Trinkets or swifstrike so without the ASI the hammer is slow, without the asi is not so good (it kill me a lot with a few lag in maps with hazards)

so the DLC, is fun, entertaining, interesting (can be challenging), etc. but all of that is soffocated with the effort/reward balance. players bored of the common runs will do it but players trying to make some cr to make something gonna ignore it, also found a random group for the moment don´t look like something that gonna happen, I say why already. a bad group can be a lot of effort for a tiny thing (useless if you got the weapons and the mask)

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 20:28

#20

Kickthebucket

i just hope the next DLC

i just hope the next DLC won't be P2P (and no i'm not saying this because i'm F2P and i actualy am a P2P)

it just created a gap between players, and with that comes the problem with finding party's (and would be nice if you got tokens instead of fragments, so getting extra tokens would actualy have some value)

and i never found T3 harder then a normal T3 run. but yeah the mortars make it kind of anoying.

i realy liked playing it, but the lack of players is just a pain :( (so OOO if you should read this, please next time make this easier to get for the F2P base)

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 21:48

#21

Twiddle

Nerf the mortars and you're golden

My only complaint about Operation Crimson Hammer is the mortars. They are a real pain for a solo gunner to kill. It feels like I'm fighting shankles instead of gremlins.

T3 OCH is really hard. I haven't completed it yet. I'm still stuck on the battle at the end of Silence the Guns. But that's fine. I expect T3 to be hard. After all, it's a T3 boss strata. That, and I had 4* gear and had a valiance and an arc razor as my only weapons.

-edit-

There's one other reason I don't run Operation Crimson Hammer Regularly. It takes forever to complete. If it had a rest bit half way though (say, after silence the guns) then I would play it more often. As it is, I take about 3 hours to run OCH, and that's a long time.

Personally, I think the mortars are the cause of the problem as they take forever to kill. I'd estimate that the mortars add about 30 - 60 minutes to each of my OCH runs.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 00:05

#22

Exon-Master

need help

Ive just buyed OCH and t1 is easy, T2 I havnt done it yet and neither t3. I hope any one of you could help me with t2 t3. I have a final flourish which i dont know if its too bad. I purchuased this expanssion because i wanted for vana not just final flourish, a big sword that takes a lot :D. PLEASE, if you can help me tell me as soon as possible.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 02:03

#23

Seoul-Reaper

Solo'd (Twice)

If anyone would like some help, I can try to help at any tier. I had to solo T3 (albeit, had to rev once [at best] and 3 times [my worst]). So if you're at least decent and got some shadow weapons, I'll lend my guns.

IGN: Seoul-Reaper

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 08:38

#24

Zeddy

If you have Nitronome and a mist bomb, you're pretty much set for everything. The biggest challenge is putting up with how incredibly long and tedious the place is.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 02:37

#25

Hexzyle

If you don't want to kill everything, half the stuff you can just walk past if you know where you're going and what you're doing.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 06:18

#26

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

Get better,

OCH is not that hard. I went blind the first time with my friend at 11PM after X-mas, half drunk and half asleep. We did OCH T3 no rea... so IDK why people have a hard time doing it.

It ain't that hard... you just need to get proper gear and have decent skill

Acheron, Brandish, Shiv/Voltaic, Sentenza/Umbra Driver/Polaris

And you are golden

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 13:19

#27

Qwao

You're gonna tell me no one noticed the Necro? At all?

...Oh well. :o

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 14:39

#28

Voza-Il

What necro? Its only been 14 months >.>

KIDDING

sarcasm is difficult to pick up in typing....

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