Spiral Knights - How would pure elemental and pure shadow flourishes effect PvP?

How would pure elemental and pure shadow flourishes effect PvP?

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Thu, 04/05/2012 - 00:05

Pawn

As it is the toothpick rule the PvP world. What's if they simply introduced pure elem and pure shadow flourishes to end the skolver cloan wars? Would this be good? Bad? Is there a reason why it would be bad other than simply being alienating to all the guys who invested heavily in max pierce skolver coats?--and is that alienation a good enough reason to not to do this when the game does not worry about alienating its player base with regards to any other investments they've made?

Also if you think it would actually make it worse, then please discuss why with a well thought out argument why it would actually make PvP worse.

Thu, 04/05/2012 - 00:34

Thescrub

max pierce

At least on a basic level this won't bring about much change, the casual PVP will adapt a bit in it's choice of armor certainly
but on a more competitive level it will certainly bring about a new era of armors in accordance with the angelic line or otherwise

however it will make things more random IMO as adapting suddenly to new weaponry will be harder and having 3 radically different toothpicks will make visual distinction at a glance much harder than it already is

just a noobish opinion here

Thu, 04/05/2012 - 01:14

Icycloud

This changes only makes more

This changes only makes more merchant happy .

LD players wear skolvers to protect the
Self from toothpick , scarficing their defence against heavy sword like da and gf . Most striker will die or left a few pips being combo by a gf/da attacks.

In merchant point of view , ele shadow flourish with asi vh. The price of gf asi vh will drop as more people will buy shadow flourish to counter skolver . ( again the wearer can wear a snarby or vog to counter)

It's about balancing of LD . When u wanna def against fast weapon , then scarfice def for slow weapon. Vica vesa

Thu, 04/05/2012 - 02:51

Milkman

Having done some basic

Having done some basic testing, armour means very little in LD (difference between a DA and GF was 0.5 bars with full elemental armour). So I doubt having an elemental or shadow flourish would make that much difference.

Thu, 04/05/2012 - 04:48

Bopp

some evidence it wouldn't help

The simplistic view is that a pure elemental sword would do more extreme damage than a mixed normal/elemental sword. But User:Exasperation (I don't remember his in-game name) has done detailed curve-fitting to various damage data, suggesting that this is not true. At the high end of damage (i.e. 5-star swords), the damage calculations seem to incorporate a dropoff, that would actually penalize pure non-normal damage. It's a little weird, but it's the most detailed damage model we have.

So, although a purely elemental or shadow flourish would be interesting due to its speed and reach, it might not do as much damage as you think.

Thu, 04/05/2012 - 04:55

Ndognine-Forums

I'm pretty sure that in the

I'm pretty sure that in the end everyone would carry one of each and just use the one the their opponent doesn't have resistance to.

Thu, 04/05/2012 - 06:10

Vescrit

Consequences

would never be the same.

Thu, 04/05/2012 - 07:15

Neodasus

Icy, they still defend

Icy, they still defend against the split damage given by sealed sword, which is why I use both normal and piercing defense UVs.

Thu, 04/05/2012 - 07:28

Juances

Y'all forgetting shivermist. Skolver wont be replaced so easily.

Thu, 04/05/2012 - 08:32

Guyinshinyarmour

Uh, I thought most people wore Skolver not out of the need for defence, but because it gives a dmg bonus on each piece. The dmg is the only reason Snarb is substitutable for Skolver; not because it has shadow def.

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How would pure elemental and pure shadow flourishes effect PvP?