Plus no healing. It's been agreed that it has no place. just look up all the other pet posts and you'll have plenty of reasons why it will never happen

Shadow Lairs are meant to be difficult, silly. They're meant to be done by skilled players, they aren't for the new guys. The issue is that they need to stay difficult and the non SL levels need to be less effortless.

I'm pretty sure people have been soloing deathless and doing SL with full parties and few party wipes. If you havn't noticed how easy the game is, stop derping around with full divine and drake scale shield in T1. There's even videos on youtube of successful Sl runs, with few deaths.

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And really. If you count Sl as something repeated and grinded, have you seen the cost to enter? You must be a noob.

This game is indeed easy, minus the occasional self imposed "shieldless" "normal damage only" "one weapon type only" "proto only" and other various limitations. Do you really need a pet that adds dps? Either it adds enough, and is thus something that makes your game even easier, or not enough and utterly useless.

Should you see fit to give them invulnerability/not targeted by enemies, they become op. Should they have the approximate amount of health a mecha knight, they are useless if targeted.

Pets with status=unnecessary power. Let's render status bombs useless. Or weapons that causes status on normal attacks as a way to stay viable due to lower damage.

What part of normal adventuring are you considering hard? Shall we gap your abysmal rightclickftw playstyle with some helpful pets that heal, buff, and attack for you?

Why are you even considering healing anyways. Jellies attack too fast? Shield bump. Lumbers hit too hard? Try moving a square to the side.

Vana too hard? Grab a kite gun and circle. Or, a shiv and blitz. On the other hand, you could play mista tamer and just send your legion of pets and grab yourself a sandwich.

My honest to god question here is, what in the game is so hard that you want pets to deal with it? Tell me, I'm experienced enough to be able to deal with most things in game, and there are plenty other with even more skill than me.

I've done a Shadow Lair with a 4-person party equipped with mixed 4* and 5* gear. No one cried, and no one even had to use any CE for reviving. I don't see how this makes any difference in anyone's argument, but since you seem to seek some level of credibility in people who respond to you for some reason, I figured I'd put that out there.

Pets, as you describe them, are entirely a way to reduce difficulty and make it so paying a few crowns will give you a ticket to easy dungeoning in Spiral Knights.

No, thank you. -1

========= Partial Deconstruction of OP =========

"Here are some reasons i think you guys hate pets for."
So you're saying you don't even know for sure why we hate pets, right?

"Pets will be mega expensive resulting in inflation"
Come again? If things are expensive, they will reduce inflation. This is especially true when they are expensive in terms of in-game currency (crowns, materials), as you seem to have described pets. Get your facts straight. Learn some basic economic principles.

"CoNfUsIoN"
I've never heard this argument brought up before, but I haven't been on the forums for more than a couple of months. Whatever, man.

"No reason, i just dont like it: For those who say this.. Press the ignore button on pets if it comes out. You don't have to get it if you dont want to :P"
The point isn't that we don't like pets. The point is that they would destroy the game's mechanics as we know them.

"just imagine having 5 to 6 ash tails by your side biting into vanaduke's flesh while you blitz him like hell."
Aw, poor you. You need 5-6 Ash Tails to help you beat Vana? Is he too hard for you? Alright maybe not, but this is where the exploitation lies.

========= FAQ =========
Q: Why do people hate the idea of pets?
A: As others have stated, pets would make the game easier than it already is. There's simply no need to do this.

Q: What would make pets acceptable?
A: Hardly anything. To start, make them completely cosmetic, similar to an accessory. Pets that engage in combat have been determined to be either useless (like AI Knights and Mecha Knight Kits) or overpowered (see above). There is no compromise. Of course with cosmetic pets come the issues of lag and reduced framerates for players who play on less-capable computers.

Q: What, is Schattentag bitter because he's poor and won't be able to afford pets?
A: Like hell I am. Sure, I don't have a ton of money. Does that change my position on the economy? Not in the slightest. Crown sinks are great for the economy, but not when they break the game. Pets, as you've described them, do just that.

Q: Is Schattentag just some troll?
A: No, but people who are incapable of using proper logic before posting and taking a hint from bad feedback frustrate me immensely, and I do my best to respond to these people accordingly. Telling dissenters to simply ignore your idea is no way to be.

Q: Does Schattentag simply reject anything that will make this game more fun?
A: No. I reject things that will ruin the current flow of the game, and I try to provide people with proper reasoning for my thinking.

Q: Does Schattentag look down on me because he's just a stuck-up jerk?
A: To some extent, yes. If I look down on you, it's because you've presented yourself in a way that encourages me to believe that your mental capacity is inferior to mine.

Schattentag (Calling you Tag now, cause its DANG hard to type that mess out... dont even get me started on MY name...) You should go post that somewhere in the Toxic Jellyfish thread... would make lulz...

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~Tsu

/Read title.

HATE.

Dude. Bro. Game is not hard.

For real. I've never spent a penny on the game, and I'm doing just fine. You wanna play a hard game? Go play a Korean Hardcore game. Seriously, I play one and the PvE mode is extremely hard to solo, even if you're several levels above the requirement. I make rage faces at the game all day.

Healing has been stated by Devs themselves as "Not happening". Not going to argue that.

Wolver tails are expensive because they're very nice cosmetic accessories. You keep saying Pets will assist you in battle, unlike Wolver Tails. That's why we "hate pets so much".

Despite this game being easy, there are still things like Lockdown which you can never get too good at. Not to mention I don't play a whole lot anyway, since I usually craft something with my mist.

Having 50 people in Haven with pets running around would MURDER low-end PCs. Have you ever noted how long it takes for accessories to even load on low-end PCs? This game runs in Java, not Flash, and is more or less built to run on low-end PCs, and grab a wider audience of players. Don't take that away from the game.

EDIT: "(and, let's face it, everyone who purports to hate the idea now would still get one if they were added to the game)"

You speak the truth sir, you speak the truth. It's called crowd mentality. Half of us know why we don't want pets and the other half just say "NO" because that's what everyone says.

~Sev

"Cuz trust me, it can sometimes be a necessity, trust me."

No, sorry. I don't trust you. How about you trust me when I say you need to get better at the game instead? You keep saying "for noobs, for noobs". Well, noobs can play T1-2. By the time you're running Vana, you're not supposed to be a noob.

I actually quite like the idea of cosmetic pets, unpopular as it is to say so here. But ugh, making the game easier would be the worst possible reason to introduce pets. I don't say this as an elitist who solos SLs in proto with no damage or whatever redonkulous feats people are pulling off now. I can't solo Vana myself--and why should I be able to if I don't improve my skills? Get better, get geared up, and/or get a party. That's the point of the game.

The Snipe Aura. Plenty of pet, none of the game play-affecting [a snipe flying around wouldn't hamper connections as seen from the Wolver Den room and Haven].

[honestly, not killing a wolver at the start of the level and having it follow you until the elevator is enough of a pet for me. Also knockers.]

First off, I am going to auto-rage, regardless of your title, because there are an infinite amount of pet threads out there. You don't need to make another one, you aren't special. I skimmed the text, pretty much every pet you wrote down has been suggested. In the very least you could do the world a cordesy and not add to the spam.

"For another thing, whenever someone starts a topic named pet, everyone says NO with almost no reasoning."
No reasoning? That's laughable, I've been in this game before the auction house was invented, I've read too many pet threads to count.

"Knights are known to ride dragons."

What the? That is simply not true.

"Healer Snipe: HP: 25 bars. DMG: 12 in all tiers, Ability: They heal the player for half a bar in 3 seconds."

OOO has said that they will not impliment healing mechanisms into the game.

"Posted by Mk-VI - His/Her argument was that the game is easy enough without pets. So here's another suggestion.
Pets are ranked as stars. Similar to weapons. Noobs cannot have access to the 5* pets either cuz its too expencive or because they are not capable of training such a level of pet. Maybe They can be sold in the HOH when you have a certain star level clearance. 5* clearance means you have access to 5* pets. Simple :) And on a side note, just imagine having 5 to 6 ash tails by your side biting into vanaduke's flesh while you blitz him like hell."

So you follow a paragraph stating that "Pets will not make the game easier" with a sentance saying "pets will help you pwn vannaduke".

QQ game too hard, i dont ned to get bttr just gimme pets and game is balanced

I'd have to agree with the majority here. Definitely a no to pets, and a hell no to healing ones.

This topic has been discussed to death if you cared to search (as Melisan mentioned). Play the whole game. In other words, play through T1-T3 and at least 1 SL before you make suggestions that would completely alter gameplay mechanics. If you had this experience, you'd quickly understand why we don't like the suggestion of pets.

"But as i said, even if you go around the forum, you can notice onIy a few good pros."
You don't need to be "pro" at this game to faceroll the content. I certainly am not a Magnus or Chris. Neither is much of the community. Yet most of us find many parts of the game fairly easy to do once you have experience. Do what the rest of us do. (I hate saying this, but...) Learn to play the game, get experience, and then you'll realize there's no need for pets.

"And if we aII hate mecha knights so much, WHY do they exist? FOR NOOBS. simiIarIy, why do pets exist? FOR NOOBS, or the same reason why mecha knights stiII exist."
Mecha knights serve practically one purpose to players. A distraction in the case you're solo and near death so you can safely retreat/use a pill so you don't die. They don't see much true combat in a DPS role, and even "noobs" will quickly learn this unless they're as dense as a rock. What you're suggesting with pets are essentially useful mecha-knights that can pretty much do a considerable amount of fighting for you. No thanks. As Demonicsothe said: "QQ game too hard, i dont ned to get bttr just gimme pets and game is balanced"

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1. NO healing whatsoever. It's just not right for this game.

2. If pets were EVER considered, they would be purely COSMETIC. (though it has been said they will not be added at all.)

3. With this many people complaining about them being a bad idea, do you REALLY think they would put them in?

Actually, General Kenobi was riding a lizard variant when chasing General G-who-must-not-be-named. But yea, themes and such are not important, and can be changed.

Only because back then, he was a general in the jedi command.

A) I'm relatively F2P, and, ask any of my friends, the only reason I'm still wearing t2 armor is cause I have an addiction to PvP, and I craft gear for free for close to anyone who asks. I've done a full gambit run of all depths in a non-FSC gate... filled with gremlins, kats, trolljans and far more devilites than I'd care to talk about. In t2 armor, I hold my own as much as any of my friends... I even played medic a few times... so think before you type BS you can't back up to me.

B) The game uses server space, basically it's communication between a series of computers, all the computers have a limit to the loadout they can carry (aka memory flow only can become so high) before the system you are communicating with bursts. Ever hear of a server crash? Now imagine that done when your precious pets are following you through SL FSC! You lose close to every ounce of effort and get a wasted 800 ce blown into your face. Like them apples? Introduce pets and I guarandamntee you it will happen. Not a matter of if... it's a matter of when.

C) I admit lag is my fault... but I play multitudes of other games just fine on this laptop (as an internet connection of 15MBPS should perform and an 8GB ram will provide) in other words, not all of it is my fault.

D) The reason my post's taken so long to respond is because I didn't want to get banhammered. Well, that and I honestly had some T2 Wolver Clones to troll with Sun Shards...

"@Demonicsothe - Mr. pro, can you tell me how many people are there in this game like you? From your words itself i can tell there arent many."

I like demonicscothe. He's a cool, smart guy.
Just wanted to post that when i read it.
Serell is leaving now because your thread sucks.

Hey bluebrawler, you made a post about removing trolls from the forum, please start by kicking yourself out the door, Ironskullkid is clever and funny, you are not clever and annoying if you do not want to read this thread, that's cool but don't post unimaginative crap here.

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i knew you were a brony

And these memes are win...

But alas Iron and Psycho's meme usage is normally full of win.