Spiral Knights - A small but important upcoming change to charge attacks

A small but important upcoming change to charge attacks

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Wed, 04/11/2012 - 17:09

Nick

Developer

In a future update charge attack will be changing in a small but important way so I wanted to give everyone a heads up.

Currently when charging any weapon, taking damage results in losing some of your charge. Once your charge has hit max, it can further lose its charge if you take damage.

The upcoming change will result in the following:
- When charging any weapon and taking damage, you will lose part of the charge (the current behavior).
- When charging any weapon and hitting 'max charge' you can no longer lose charge by taking damage.

This means that once you hit max charge, you can hold on to it as long as you hold the charge and are still alive.

What this change does:
- Players who experience issues such as not placing bombs due to damage taken just before placing them will no longer have any issues of this kind. Once you see that you are at max charge, the attack is yours to fire.
- The risk/reward element of using a charge attack is retained as you can still take damage, however much of the frustration of losing it is removed, allowing you to 'brute force' a charge attack.
- PvP will obviously play out a little differently with this change encouraging more coordinated efforts to kill bombers instead of just dealing chip damage to them and interrupt them.

Overall this will be a positive change for the game, mitigating frustration and reducing latency issues.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 17:23

The-Rawrcake

As long as piercing swords

As long as piercing swords still have gun-like range and can finish before the strike due to latency or whatever, I am not sure if PvP will play out differently... but that's just me.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 18:03

Aozora-Yell

Awesome.

This is definitely a welcome change. Thanks, Nick!

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 18:07

Iron-Volvametal

...

inb4ToothpickPvP'rsRagingAgainstBombers

But Seriously. Thanks, Nick. This will be awesome, especially for Bombers.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 18:08

Alynn

MOOO

awe mai gaush

i canz ran meh culibr into mobz o ememy nao :D

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 18:29

Rangerwillx

Unbelievable..that's spectacular news, Nick.
Great change, at least in my opinion.
Bombers in Lockdown..go own.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 18:34

Fallconn

FALCON PUNCH!

dang....now i have to become a bomber....

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 19:01

Trying

I predict strikers will be raging at how OP recons are

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 19:26

Fehzor

Very nice.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 19:59

Batabii

This is a very welcome and

This is a very welcome and very simple change. But what do you mean "part" of the charge? I was certain being struck while charging negates the charge entirely.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 19:59

#10

Culture

Hmm

Sounds promising.

While you are looking at bombing in PvP, might check out the RSS projectile issue. If your projectile hits yourself, a teammate or a dead body it'll stop prematurely.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 20:22

#11

Good-Spirit

this is an awesome

this is an awesome move!
diversity is the best part of pvp i think... the flourish/btb will still reign over this update, but this is def added strength to bombers

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 20:35

#12

Sypsy

Shock ticks?

What about shock? The ticks make you flinch, how will this interact when you have achieved a max charge?

Will it be similar to when you're on fire in that you just receive damage? Will the knight stop, flinch (while holding it's charged weapon in position), then continue on its merry way?

This will be interesting when interacting with VT fields.

I'm trying to imagine how the knight will look when you receive a large knockback, such as a levi blade, or nitronome, or lumber/trojan smash.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 21:37

#13

Orbwanter

While you are looking at bombing in PvP, might check out the RSS projectile issue. If your projectile hits yourself, a teammate or a dead body it'll stop prematurely.

I swear, sometimes the control point eats shards too.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 21:42

#14

Ricochet-Orange

YES! Today I was playing with

YES! Today I was playing with my new Nightblade (I got too close at times), and having my charge cancelled right as I unclick was annoying.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 22:54

#15

Traevelliath

FUU

Curses, there goes my main anti-bomber tactic...

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 23:12

#16

Derpules

I love it!

Anything that helps bombers is fine by me. (Not a bomber myself, but it does seem unfair that charge interruption is so much more a problem for them than the other two classes.)

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 23:21

#17

Espeonage

@Batabii I was certain being

@Batabii
I was certain being struck while charging negates the charge entirely.
This is how it worked before its current implementation; the problem was that you could get pecked by something and have to start charging all over. To make it more fair, they changed it so if you have charge, a hit takes you back to x%, and the base amount you fall back to progressively increases with each hit you take while continuing with that same charge.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 23:29

#18

Tsubasa-No-Me

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Moar Suda? I think SO~!

Not only am I famous, but I inspire Hipster...ness... Yeah.
~Tsu

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 00:33

#19

Warriorrogue

...

Don't worry, I misread something./fail...
This post has never existed. You cannot see it.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 03:04

#20

Metagenic

Are you sure this might help only bombers?

If you think about it, this means that you can now chain-charge Divine Avenger in LD without fear of interruption…

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 05:37

#21

Bomx

Thank God.

As a bomber is frustrating for gunners to just pick at me so I cant attack in PVP.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 07:06

#22

Trying

Yeah but the point might eat up those projectiles

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 07:29

#23

Kraanx

hahaha no more mechaknight

hahaha no more mechaknight trolling while im dropping mah vawrtecks

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 07:55

#24

Nordlead

love this change. I use FoV

love this change. I use FoV and it'll mean fire won't stop me from unleashing a second charge! With no CTR UV I could get the charge to light up, but couldn't unleash it reliably before the fire canceled it out. Now I can kill myself even faster!!

(seriously, I'm looking forward to this change)

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 08:47

#25

Nattss

This sound like a good

This sound like a good feature. Presently it's sometimes hard to see when you've reached full charge though. Perhaps the current weapon icon could change colour or get a little indicator light to unambiguously say "full charged", or even bar-graph that shows your progression to charge.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 09:10

#26

Rodovisky

YEAH

thanks for this will help everyone alot :D

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 09:21

#27

Vifig

hmm

I think this is a welcome change, especially for bombs, but I feel like bosses should still be able to interrupt your attacks. Because, well, they're bosses. I know you would still take damage, but you should also have to charge up again (at least partially, as it works now).

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 09:41

#28

Sexios

Thanks

thanks nick - this update will be great!

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:05

#29

Bwazey

Sounds awsome! Thanks Nick for the info. Ill be in touch.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:10

#30

Paweu

A small suggestion, can you

A small suggestion, can you make a shadow copy of this thread in General Discussion? I myself don't read The Arsenal sub forum and I know I'm not alone in this.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:16

#31

Numnut

And the bombers looked up

And there was great rejoicing heard throughout the land.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:18

#32

Asukalan

What the hell?Another nerf

What the hell?

Another nerf or rather making knights more OP?

A step towards noobs who couldnt avoid monsters while charging weapons?

This is pathetic, the part about "when reaching max charge you will no longer loose your charge".
The part about "you will loose only part of charge when hit" is somehow fine but the other change is just pathetic.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:23

#33

Michaelb

I am the original hipster. It

I am the original hipster. It all started when I posted a link to my page in da forum. As you can see:

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/User:Michael99

Anyway, THIS UPDATE IS FEAKIN AWESOME! Now I won't have annoying, OP toothpicks getting in my way!!!!

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:26

#34

Extribble

Don't think it'll affect me

Don't think it'll affect me much, but it'll help in those lag-spike moments where you're about to unleash a charge and get hit sooner than expected. I like it :P Might just start playing LD more and spam bombs for the heck of it XD

@Asukalan: Your negativity never ceases to amaze me... I'd be long gone from SK if I were as frustrated/disappointed as you in the game.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:54

#35

Fallconn

FALCON PUNCH!

if anything should be nerfed...it is the hammers....

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:57

#36

Juances

Only the T1 one for LD's sake.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:20

#37

Pawn

This is fantastic

You guys are really stepping up and listening to our issues. I can't wait to pvp bomb now!

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:45

#38

Fallconn

FALCON PUNCH!

@Juances and T2......

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 13:04

#39

Aquajag

SO HAPPY!!!!!

I was just whining yet again about how frustrating it is in LD to actually be putting a bomb on the ground, only to find out that no, I didn't, because I got hit! Now I will freaking PWN your butts!

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 14:56

#40

Fashama

Some people should nerf their

Some people should nerf their overloaded wallets and start supporting a great game. +1 for reasons why it's better to spend money on this game.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 16:03

#41

Michaelb

^My above post is directed at

^My above post is directed at people who think that they are the original spiral-hipster.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 16:38

#42

Iron-Volvametal

...

"if anything should be nerfed...it is the hammers...."

For the Last Time, the Hammers aren't OPd. In T1, yeah, but it can be Fixed by making it 2*, like the Shadow Bomb.(Don't know why they haven't Implemented that, yet...) If you wear full Dusker & use Swift Flourish in T2, then...(Pic's being Stupid)

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 17:09

#43

Twiddle

I think it's a good change

My first reaction was that the change would be OP in PvE. But then I realized that the change is necessary in PvP. Currently, few people use their charge attacks in PvP because they get hit first and lose their charge. Those that try to use charge attacks quickly learn to stop using them. To me, the change will affect PvE some, but that minor issue will be offset by the amount of fun and balance the change will bring to PvP.

I like it. (=

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 18:35

#44

Iapnez

@Ironskullkid

You've got the right idea. I love it when skolvers and duskers QQ at how OP the hammer is when they have zero elemental resist. That would be like me QQing how toothpicks are overpowered if I used elemental or shadow armor. But then again, haters gonna hate.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 19:08

#45

Leviance

And all the gunners started

And all the gunners started to jump for joy.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 20:09

#46

Kattsy

Yay

This will definitely make using bombs a lot more fun. ^_^

Fri, 04/13/2012 - 01:13

#47

Encross

@Michaelb Please do not use

@Michaelb

Please do not use my name in vain.

@topic

YUSS T3 bombing in LD buffs.

Fri, 04/13/2012 - 02:50

#48

Birgus

Woot, thank you!

Charge lock sounds like it will be a great help.

This is a sort of thing I check the "Announcements" subforum for, though, not other places like here.

Fri, 04/13/2012 - 05:19

#49

Hadn

Hmm

The only problem with lockdown could possibly be when people spawn haze but other than that, hurrah!

Fri, 04/13/2012 - 07:42

#50

Athresh

yay!

That's it! Time to turn into a bomber.

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