HEY IDIOT!

BE PATIENT before wasting mist, okay! Especially if I'm standing on top of you when you die!

I don't CARE if you have an elevator pass, it's incredibly wasteful to revive when you're the only one dead.

Also REVIVE ALL IS NEVER WORTH IT! I don't care if you're fighting vanaduke. You may think you're doing everyone a favor, but you're just bumping up their revive costs.

And finally, STOP NAGGING. I'll revive you when I get the chance. There's no reason to spam REV PLZ REV PLZ REV PLZ.

You have good reason to leave them on the floor. If you revive them too much then you will soon have one or two bars of health left. With that amount of health you could easily die due to a lucky shot or a simple mistake. I've had a couple of my clockwork trips ruined that way.

Then I learned to stop reviving the folks who die repeatedly. After that I suddenly had full health while everyone else had one or two pips of health left. Some thought my gear was saving my life. It wasn't. Other thought I was more skilled then they were. But that was not the case. I had full health because I wasn't reviving the one person who kept dying over and over again.

That said, I revive people when one or more of the following are true:

1. I recognize someone with a lot of skill. (My definition of "Skill" is someone who fights and survives the longest.) I will usually revive that person regardless of circumstance.
2. There is someone who is trying and who is generally pulling their weight, but they are dying every now and again. No one is perfect, so I'll usually revive them.
3. I do not have enough health to survive the next hit, but I have enough health to revive someone. In this case I'll try to revive the most skilled member of the party.
4. I recognize that I would make things worse or that I am useless in the current situation. In this case I'll stand back and become a "health medic" of sorts. I'll support everyone else by throwing vials and reviving anyone who falls, regardless of whether they are skilled or not. This will usually occur when I have the wrong gear for the situation. It doesn't happen too much now that they have the arsenal change stations, but it used to happen before then.

Sometimes the effects of lag or a large number of enemies can make better to wait to rev others. E.g., when I'm in a RJP run with a party, if the lag gets bad it can be easier to move around when some or most of the party is dead, or if there are enough enemies in a small space that kiting can be hard, it's easier to kite with only one person with a the aggro.

I'm fortunate enough to play with a group of close friends, and we acknowledge that sometimes it's easier for one person to deal with a crowd of enemies when all attention is on them than to have things dashing and lunging every which way.

That being said, there's really never any reason not to revive someone, even in such a situation, because they just stay down and let you finish what you were doing. If you die from some stupid mistake or lag or what have you, they can get up, revive you, and work on the crowd themselves. If, on the other hand, you don't revive anybody and end up getting plowed into a fire trap by a trojan from off-screen, you will look like an ass, and you will be wasting someone's energy.

Try communicating with your team. I wouldn't suggest straight-out telling them they suck, but just try asking them to stay down while you finish X. Acknowledging that oneself isn't not pulling one's weight isn't fun, but neither is feeling the silent scorn of the whole party as they dance over your corpse.

Obligation?
If I see someone go down, I drop everything I'm currently doing to bring them back up.
If they died in a spectacularly stupid manner, though, I shout at them a bit first.

Upset?
I only get upset when the one remaining ally fails to notice the conditions for revival are extremely easy to obtain. For example, say you're nearby one of us who's dead. There's a health pill on the ground next to him, all of the enemies in the room are relatively far away, and the fire traps are currently down. IF YOU CONTINUE CHARGING YOUR BTB I SWEAR TO GOD I WILL DESTROY YOUR HEAT AND FORCE YOU TO SOLO THE REST OF THE ROOM. I don't want to watch you waste everyone's time and energy by refusing to revive anyone and dying to the trojan/zombie lunge/zombie breath you failed to react to.

Showboating? Playing the hero?
These terms never cross my mind. Usually I'm forced to, since once you get surrounded on all sides by slags, trojans, and fire traps, there's not much you can do but kill them all first and wait for the fire traps to recede.

I usually try to revive people ASAP because I know many idiots won't even give me 5 seconds. It's gotten to the point where I feel I have to "babysit" players in t1/t2 that have low health, not to protect them, but to revive them before they get the chance to waste energy.

I like to revive people, I really do. Unfortunately, I also like to revive even the players who are a complete liability. (If you do not want to read whats under this, basically I got screwed by the loser I kept reviving.)

*In my eyes*
One of my comrades during a trip to the Jelly King really did not belong here (We'll call him Stubs). I'm not even sure how Stubs made it into Tier 2. Every time I turned my back or went around a corner he managed to drop to the floor. I didn't have a problem reviving him,"No Knight left behind"... right? Over time we got near the Jelly Kings doorstep, just one more round of slime.

I noticed how the other two larger comrades had a substantial amount of health still. In my gasping breath I asked how they had so much. They just laughed. I looked over my shoulder, not being surprised at seeing a knight collapsed on the floor. As I revive him a jelly spike comes from the floor and tears through my back. I shrieked in pain as I fell to the floor. I felt done, but one of the freshly slain jelly creatures had dropped a health capsule!

I painfully crawled my way to my little red angel. Blood flowing from my back and mouth, I reached for the capsule, but another hand picked it up. It was Stubs! He ate it right in front of me and ran to the elevator! Right before that elevator lowered itself to the final floor of the Jelly Palace, I received a salute from one of the bigger knights. Everything just got darker from there... some knights just don't get back up...

I presume the people getting mad and kicking you out of their parties are the ones who suck. They're mad about you acknowledging their lack of skill by not reviving them and do you really want to keep playing with people like that.
I'll rev anyone as quickly as is safe unless a) they're god awful, b) there are people in the party with more health than me or c) they're a dick. I get really annoyed by the people who run around with nearly full health refusing to revive people and forcing the rest of us to constantly halve our health. I won't go out of my way to rev them if they die.

"playing the hero"
Somehow ignoring the needs of someone lying incapacitated on the floor doesn't scream "heroic" to me.

"Then I learned to stop reviving the folks who die repeatedly. After that I suddenly had full health while everyone else had one or two pips of health left."
Players share a health pool. If you're passing by hearts on your screen while other people are at one or two pips because of revives, you're effectively wasting their health. At that point I'd say you definitely have an obligation to get the next person up. Hell, if they're really at one pip, you might even ask one of them to kill themselves just so you can pick them up and add the hearts to the pool.

"you are too cheap to spend a little energy and revive yourself? not my problem. i can cover myself and any revives i may need."
You're kidding, right? Nobody should be spending energy on revivals unless everyone's down. Not only is it a total waste of that player's resources, but it drives up the cost of future revivals down the line making it less and less practical to do so, which will matter to you if the party wipes and it falls on you to shell out, and any energy spent helps drive the market price up as well. All that for what? How does letting them lie there even benefit you? If an extra sword isn't worth a couple pips to you, why not just play solo?

I revive other players only if I don't risk being hit in the process (tight rooms, lots of fast/ranged monsters around). For example if there are still several gun puppies in arena, I would first kill most of them, leaving the last one to not trigger another wave, and only then revive fallen comrade. I've been called egoist once in IMF.
Usually I don't play with PUGs, unless I'm a leader.

As for etiquette... I agree with Culture: "I feel that people are capable of making the decision of when to rez and shouldn't be chastised/kicked for doing what they think is best at the time."

I think the main point where rezzing becomes a point of etiquette is when their are hearts on the floor--like after killing both slag guards in vana. If u don't rez your fallen comrades at this point, so they can stand up and get the hearts, then you are being a poor teammate. Also, the etiquette here says (IMO) the best player should rez 1 other player and then heart himself up. The rezzed player should then rez any other downed players. Lastly go pick up the hearts. When possible never pick up hearts before the rez.

If they all die and are good players who are worthy of reviving and are sure to benefit me if I do..

Screw them, my E-peen is big enough.
*Solos*

Not revive the noobs? And miss out on all the heat? I need heat! In fact... I need heat A LOT! *Holds Nitronome with evil laugh*

I'm only kidding, I would never (intentionally) blast an enemy into a party member. I revive people, because I'd want them to revive me. (And because I like heat.) At some point, however, if they die way too much... I'm probably gonna solo kite at least some of that last Arena room. I have no trouble doing that with Fiery Vaporizer Mk II, unless Devilites or Greavers are present, or we got the Gremlin Demo mob instead of the Mecha Knights.

Be forgiving of your fellow knights, at least to a point. They could have a lag spike, or get slammed by a flying Howlitzer head, or hit by a revived Thwacker spin attack, or mauled by a Lumber that was shield-bumped (or Nitro'd) right into them. Or they could be a Bomber fighting Greavers (a battle that often ends with the Greavers winning). Or they could just be having a really bad day. Don't let the party wipe, though... and don't be a fool with your life. Running through a hallway that has two clots of burning Oilers and a Giant Lichen Colony is a bad idea. (Especially if it was that guy who set the Oilers on fire.)

Finishing off the monsters before reviving? There's a lot of factors that play into this. Are they going to be killed again by these monsters? Will you need their help? Will it cause problems if they're revived? Are they legitimately trying? Are they Bombers in a room full of Rocket Puppies? Are YOU a Bomber in a room full of Rocket Puppies?

Removing someone for not reviving me would not only be mean, but if they're the only one alive, well, how are you going to get up?

Also, I do remember someone with an obscene name that I tried to avoid reviving.

ok you have no resin to get mad when:
You are covered in monsters
When you don't help the team
When you stand infront of a gun pup and charge your wepon and lose all your hp expecaly if it was full
When they curse or burn them self to death
When your team is in an intense fight

When you can expect to be revived:
When you are helpful to your team
After a room is cleared

These are the standard rules people sould go by if you disagree I want to know how

^what most of them said

Also some guy was with my friend and me in The Rotting Metropolis. After the battle room on the first level, my friend and I were dead; my friend from a trollxilargo spine and me from an unlucky zombur jump. Guy proceeds to leave us there and takes the lift.
On the next level...
Me: WTF man
Friend: Y u do dis
Guy says nothing and proceeds to derp around the level
Me: forget this
Me /ragesolo

Was that the right thing to do? I mean the guy clearly had full health and all he did was like ignore us. And yes my friend and I were contributing to the battle. Thoughts?

Ya'll are making me paranoid to join randoms in T2.

I try to revive my team mate when I get the chance, unless:
-A turret is nearby,
-In a narrow hallway,
-On spikes
-Otherwise surrounded
-Or this would be the 5th revive in the same level

If there's more than one other person with me, I like to believe the one with the most health should donate to the cause. Makes no sense for the guy with 3-5 pips reviving one other while you have a full amount.

A couple of thoughts pass through my mind when I see someone fall in battle. I base my decisions on a number of factors when facing a fallen team-mate and combat.

• Am I in need of heat?
• Has the fallen one proven their worth in battle?
• Is the fallen one within immediate reach or must I fight my way through?
• How much health do I have?
• Are my standing allies available and capable of helping the fallen one?
• Are my standing allies in need of heat?
• Do I deem necessary to slay nearby monsters in favour of making their revival less hazardous?
• Is the fallen one's behaviour appropriate?

Once I have taken all of the above into consideration I make my decision based upon the overall conclusion. If the fallen one's situation is in good favour with my analysis I will pick them up. Are they not, I will instead leave it to someone else or finish off nearby monsters first.

If the subject is unsatisfied with the outcome then that is their loss, and they should consider working up their ability to hold their own rather than lashing out at me for their own incompetence.

Running around killing monsters is fun, because you're playing the game. Sitting around on the floor being dead is not fun, because you're not playing the game. This may be an oversimplification, but it seems to me like the worst possible form to decide, because someone isn't as good as you are, that you're not going to let them play.

Reviving teammates is second only to staying alive myself, whether I'm running with randoms or trusted friends. If I encounter some poor newbie who's just that terrible, I'll give him pointers if he's nice or kick him with some health if he's obnoxious, and if I want to avoid ever meeting him in the first place, then I'll run solo or restrict the party to people I already know.

If someone revives themself more than once, and I'm the leader, I will kick them.
If you don't want to be a team player, you can play solo.

1. Dont waste your money on CE for any type of revive, even if your whole party has to pay 50+ energy and you only need 10, you still need to tell them to revive you.

2. Revive for heat givers

3. Play the 'Hero' if you know you can kill all the monsters

4. Ignore people who always whine for revives

4.5. Ignore people who always die after being revived

~

I dont really revive anyone, just that if i do die i dont say anything really. Up to them to revive me or not.

Also, if i were to revive it would have to be from someone who has better stuff than me (highly doubtful) and such. Only exception is at vanaduke (boss part only)

"Is there any point at which you feel a player has an OBLIGATION to revive another player?

At what point would you have the right to get UPSET if a player in your party didn't revive you?

Would you ever remove a player from your party (not possible in Shadow Lairs) for not reviving you?

Is it "showboating, "playing the hero" or being "egocentric" to finish off the monsters solo before reviving other players?

I ask this because I'm reluctant to revive other players, mainly when they would give me little heat in exchange for half of my health. And when, well, they just aren't very good. But I've been removed from parties for this reluctance. So I'm asking, what's the etiquette on reviving, in your opinion?"

Obligation;

I only feel if its obligated to revive for if there is a team wipe rly, but if there are other players alive, there is no need to do so.

Upset;

I wouldnt rly be upset if my team mates didn't revive me (if my gear is maxed) but if i wanted to level up my gear i would be a tad upset..

Removal;

I would only remove the player(s) if they try to be a "hero" and they dont know what they would dealing with, i say overconfidence leads to your downfall. I mostly play with ppl i trust. I dont really play with ppl i dont know (friends-wise)

Showboating;

When im in RJP with a full party and my team mates are dead, i would only revive if i cant survive a few hits, (Lumber slam for example) if i have over 10 HP, i usually would finish off monsters to ensure my team's safety.

And really, if i was playing with new players, and they sucked, i would "show off" just for teh lulz.

-Ven

*agrees with The-Rawrcake 100%*

Hip! Hip! Hazzah! Tolerance, Patience and 'everybody gets to play'... is for the weak! dieeeee noob(and get tea-bagged)

this your 1st game on the internet or whattttttt? xD

I mostly rev for teh heats if I need heat. If not I just rev for the good. I always rev the best players to the worse players, in that order. In some cases, this means I rev other players if I know I'm not good enough to get up from my death to help. So in otherwords, If I need heat, I'll just rev everyone, and if I don't need heat, I'll just rev for the team welfare. Yet sometimes I may rev people when I need heat for the team welfare. I know what my limits to fighting are. If you don't know what your limits are, then you are a pathetically trying to ignore reality. You gotta face facts, even if you may not like them, you have to face facts, FACTS are FACTS. Unless you know you can do fine with 2-4 times more HP on enemies alone(This is mostly common when anyone at 3* or higher gear enters T1), then you have to rev in order from the worthiest player to the least worthiest player. If you can however fight enemies with 2-4 times more health than they originally have, you can order your revs however you feel, without any worries such as these examples:

"Is the player worthy?"

"Should I revive him?"

"What can he do?"

"Do I need heat?"

"Do the other players need heat?"

"Shall I do it out of kindness, or for making the best decisions on keeping everyone alive?"

"Etc."

"Do I like pie?"

That's called heat sharing. If its consentual, I see absolutely no reason why not. It doesn't make you lazy, it makes you generous and a team player. If a friend or guildmate needs heat and I don't, I'd gladly give them all they need and I know they'd do the same for me (then again I'm in a brony guild and I tend to friend people by their merits). The faster they heat something, the more damage they do and the less runs and time they have to waste.

I'm with the Rawrcake. I have zero tolerance for stupid antics when running in a Pick Up Group.

I wasn't always that way. I used to be the kind hearted leader that would tolerate almost anything. But I quickly learned that this is the internet. Randoms will reward your generosity by trolling and being jerks. There are kind hearted people out there, but usually they won't do stuff like beg and afk if they are in a group.