I have been wondering this. I sort of just bought mine for my character, and haven't been checking on things OCH related. Are they still only tradable by Steam, and are people using Steam currently being favorited by OOO?
If so, I am upset and I will not stop. They are either tradable for everyone or tradable for nobody.
Edit: So yeah... now I know... now I mad.
i want to play och so bad but it is not worth paying for some thing that I will quit any ways
Someone say something that calms me down from exploding.
*inserts joke about "exploding" and your current avatar*
You're an exploding block, you're meant to explode
or maybe
If you go ragequit switch to that desk clerk avatar every other angry guy uses
Oh, they're working on it.
A resolution is coming "soon"(™).
I'm amazed no one has been mad at the fact that we have gremlin grounds, but no special gremlins (ninjas and mortars) besides knockers.
@Llan
You're right when you say you didn't see it.
I guess.
Last time we heard anything was from Nick.
He said "They were looking into" being able to trade though in game.
To be more specific? They were looking into seeing if it was possible at all. They don't know if it's technically possible (whether though problems with the game's code, etc. we don't know, they didn't tell us anything else).
Many people pointed to how the elevator pass is presented (and how it shows up under usables) and said to tweak that, but I'm sure it's more complex than that. More than anything, I'm sure they don't want to implement it only to have it break and REALLY mess something up. You saw what happened with the Anniversary event- freezing when you clicked on the energy depot. If something breaks while trading the expansion missions, there will be someone very, very angry.
OOO does consider steam to be a very, very valuable partner, yes. When OCH was released, threads attacking this were promptly locked. Taking a guess, OOO probably went ahead with the release because the largest portion of their current playerbase is on steam? As a company, they do need to make money, and Steam is a great way to do that. You also can't blame them so much if they were simply excited to launch new content, and wanted to go though with it!
Personally, however, I think it was a poor move to go ahead with the OCH release without first checking if there was any possible way to trade the expansion in game. As it is now, the expansion functions more or less like Crystal Energy- some has to buy it, it just doesn't have to be you- as long as you're on steam. It works okay. Not ideal, but okay. Doing something like "Pay for first dibs if you want to play NOW, or buy with energy or money later" probably would have been the best route to take, IMO.
I hope OOO gets in game trading for the expansion missions working by the next expansion release, or there will probably be another large wave of quitting players. Nobody wants that!
A little slow to make this thread...
How would you propose the expansion missions be tradable for non-Steam players?
How would you propose the expansion missions be tradable for non-Steam players?
Why not make them work in the same way as Promotions, Keys, and Trinkets? You spend money, get a key, and use said key to access Operation Crimson Hammer. It's a method that makes one spend money to obtain it [read: Promotions], allows non-steam and free players to trade and access the content - assuming they have the Crystal Energy [read: Keys and Trinkets], and they bind to you permanently upon usage [read: Trinkets and Promotions].
Although Trinkets aren't permanent, I can't see why, from a technical standpoint, they would lack the ability to be.
For me it looks like that the contracts between Valve and OOO don't allow an ingame trade from a DLC that is available on Steam. (I heard from newssites if developers break the contracts from Valve, the game(s) from them would disappear on Steam. I don't know if its the case here too).
The invitees who didn't get OCH won't get prestige rewards.
Why not? Maybe have it when the next expansion comes out.
To fulfill Jmsa's prophecy, convert to Steam. All I'm hearing is a bunch of whining and feet-kicking. "Wah! I want all the awesome Steam stuff, but I don't want to use Steam! Wah!"
"Completely free to play" does NOT mean that it's completely free to play on whatever platform or outdated/arbitrary setup you want to play it on. It means that it can be played for free, and there could be some hoops to jump through. Just because you don't have to pay money to play it doesn't mean you get it exactly the way you want. Why should Steam users suffer because you want to live in the Dark Ages rather than upgrade? Nobody is making you stay off Steam, it's YOUR choice, and every day that you choose not to convert, you are also choosing to forgo the benefits of converting. You can't have it both ways.
And what's so bad about Steam anyways? Non-users seem to think it's like "Well, my friend converted to Steam, then one week later, his house burned down and he got cancer." No. It's a small program that takes an inconsequential amount of hard drive space, RAM usage, and download time, and when you use it, you get access to Steam trading, occasional contests, near-constant sales, other F2P games, plus the benefits of using Steam trading to spend your excess CE on new games. I'd rather they spend the time on making new content for us rather than trying to jury rig something together to meet the demands of people too stubborn to get on Steam.
Life isn't fair, get over it.
I never said they HAVE TO make it tradable for all.
Another option is to make it tradable for none. And heck, that is an easy one.
If they put themselves into this position, it's their faults for being irresponsible and prematurely releasing an expansion mission. You can't just favor a certain playerbase, that is just ridiculous.
ANSWERS.
@Eldibs, read the OP next time. I have the dang thing for one, I am more than willing to give OOO money IF... they deserve it. I ALSO said that they can have NEITHER get the opportunity to trade.
This is not a thread about screaming and whining and kicking to get an expansion mission, it's about equality. Brushing it off and saying "Life isn't fair" shows how quiet and ignorant you are.
I didnt know DLC rage was still going on........although im still upset......
It wasn't still going on, it was ignored.
Just like I said when I had absolutely 0 sympathy for people crying about the DLC because it required money, the same thing happened with Shadow Keys. Obviously, it was a shady update. I bet OOO scored big $$$ off of that one at the expense of its players. And now comes along this puny 4 dollars you get to play it forever expansion mission and people go insane.
What I mean by bringing up shadow keys is because what happens is people are upset, and then eventually stop talking about it like it is no big deal at all. Same goes for this expansion mission. Because I totally assumed people would eventually ignore it (which they did) I had no sympathy at the start.
But the fact that they are favoring a certain playerbase should make you upset, wether it is you or not. Just because someone uses Steam doesn't give you special treatment over a normal player / any other player.
We have some selfish people in here assuming I make this thread for my own benefit as I bet they do their own. Please read the OP next time.
Frankly I'm skeptical of Nick's response of "We'll look into it to see if it's even possible". It seems to me that OOO has a tendency to say something like that quickly to defuse a situation then conveniently never speak about about it again. They seem to like being vague and not definite, it's like you never get a straight answer which is annoying.
I think a key thing you guys are forgetting is that the OCH DLC was initially announced as being purchasable with CE, then a week later revised to only be purchasable with real money when somebody happened to ask about it. Now that's a major gripe I had with the OCH, but of course you guys don't seem to care about that....you're more interested in the in-game trade-ability of the DLC. But my point is, if they originally planned to have it purchasable with CE then I think it's fair to say it would have been possible to do it in-game.....if it's possible to purchase it in-game with CE, then how is it that hard to not make it trade-able in-game? Also if they only changed their mind a week after the initial announcement, I would figure the purchase-ability with CE would have been well planned and developed for already from the start.
So yeah, I'm pretty much saying I think they have the ability to make it trade-able in-game, they just don't want to. Or in other words "we'll look into it for a possible future update" (never hear about it again).
I did read the original post, Rawrcake, and it can still be summed up as "Wah! We want Steam Features without having to use Steam!" Instead of just raging, you could go and get an actual issue, like the one Blitzwingoo brought up - OCH being announced as purchasable with CE, and then revised.
"But the fact that they are favoring a certain playerbase should make you upset, wether it is you or not. Just because someone uses Steam doesn't give you special treatment over a normal player / any other player."
First of all, no, it doesn't make me upset, because a person's status as a non-Steam-user is easily changable. Nobody is forced to not use Steam, and nobody is forced to use Steam. Each side has pros and cons, and a person has to choose for themselves whether they want to be on a Steam account or not. If they choose not to convert to Steam and lose the ability to trade the OCH mission, then that's what they chose. Do I fault them for their choice? No, but I'm not going to pat them on the back and say "I'm sorry, you actually deserve both!"
Furthermore, I havn't seen any actual evidence of favoritism occurring. Did you ever stop to think that with the Steam integration of the DLC, that it makes it impossible to code it in without breaking everything? No, you didn't. There's a reason why they said "we'll look into it," because coding an MMOG is quite complex, and it has to be looked into to see if it's even possible. You have no idea the particulars of this specific game's code, yet you automatically assume that with the Steam integration of the DLC that it'd work exactly like the Elevator Passes.
Also, you talk about equality, but your solution of "make it untradable for everyone" is childish. "Well, if I can't have that toy, then nobody should get ot have it!" Note that when I'm talking about "that toy," I'm not referring to the mission itself, but rather the ability to trade it. I feel the need to state that because people in a blind rage tend to be, well... blind. Anyways, not only is it childish, but it's poor business sense as well. Why should they disable a working feature used by part of their userbase, just because another part of their userbase is behind the times? That's how you lose customers. I know that if my ISP came to me and said "listen, those people in the house two towns over only get half the internet speed you do, so we're cutting your speed down, for equality purposes," I'd be changing ISP's for certain! Hey, you know what, while we're at it, I don't get to live in a mansion, so let's just go burn all the mansions down! Nobody gets to live in one. Hey, I don't have a private jet either, let's take all those away! Also, my DVD of "Iron Man" is kind of scratched up, doesn't play properly, let's just scratch up everyone's "Iron Man" DVD's.
tl;dr - What you are proposing is one of two options...
1)"Three Rings, spend lots of man-hours designing a feature that might not even be possible to design, and that will only be used by the portion of your userbase too stubborn to just convert to Steam already."
2)"You should break the toy, because not everyone gets to play with it!"
3 Rings like any gaming company has a responsibility to provide equal opportunity for all players to play. The "option to use Steam" is available to everyone, so that's fine; but Spiral Knights is advertised in other forums that have *nothing to do with Steam* and many players who play through other means did not know Steam was an option when they started.
3 Rings has *not* provided a means to transfer accounts over to Steam for users who want to switch to using Steam.
So it's well and good to spout off self-important posts about how everyone else is a whiner, but it's a legitimate gripe with 3 Rings that they provide unequal access to content amongst their user base without the option for switching from one technology to the next.
If nothing else 3 Rings needs to figure out how to allow accounts to be transferred into Steam accounts for users who started with a Java download or through another platform (e.g. Kongregate) so that they are truly providing a fair playing field for all of their player base. Saying "you'll just have to start your character over" does not qualify. Most people who play through non-Steam means were completely unaware there was a difference or in some cases that Steam even existed until having spent considerable amounts of real currency on CE and other packages.
How to bind my existing Spiral Knights account to my Steam account.
This has been around since the Summer of 2011.
Note: Binding an existing Spiral Knights account to a Steam account cannot be undone.
Yes