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Fiends---Flourishes

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Mon, 04/23/2012 - 08:33

Aiden-Curry-Puff

So the single type of mobs I'd say I hate most is fiends. They bug me, so much. Anyway, a while back I happened to pick up a random triple UV swift flourish. CTR low, undead med, fiend med. Payed 900 CE for it. I run mostly in divine skolver combo which gives me fiend med and dmg med. Combined with my focus trinket, I would end up getting max damage and ultra ctr on the flourish against fiends. I think I could probably sell it for a decent profit though, and I've been wondering if an ASI flourish would be more effective for fighting fiends. I can't even use the charge attack much of the time because of all the flying pitchforks. On the other hand, the charge works wonderfully on greavers, but I could always grab a ctr med for that and get full ctr.

Soz for the long post, and for kinda rambling.

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 08:42

Fradow

As you said, CTR is not that

As you said, CTR is not that great, since you are not going to charge it against devilites.

On the other hand, ASI lets you shield faster after attacking, on top of the obvious ASI. Damage is generally not the biggest issue with fiends : not being hit is.

So I would go for ASI. The thing tho, is FF is already a fast sword. You are probably not going to notice the speed difference. Which can be infuriating for you, because ASI UV on Flourish is expensive.

Well, no clear answer, it's up to you.

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 08:55

Bopp

agree

I agree with Fradow. The typical anti-fiend tactic is to take isolated swings (i.e., just the first swing of the combo) mixed in with shielding and dodging. The fact that the first swing of a piercing sword is fast, wide, and long really helps. It's tough to pull off a charge, unless your teammates are distracting the enemy. So you want ASI. Consider replacing your sword CTR trinket with a sword ASI trinket, instead of selling your sword?

Serious sworders often have an elemental sword to use against undead, and a big damage bonus from armor, trinkets, and BTS. When I look at your Flourish, the only UV that interests me is CTR Low, so your Flourish is not worth much to me (sorry). That is another reason not to sell. But you may know the market better than me, in which case ignore what I just said. :)

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 09:19

Aiden-Curry-Puff

Hmm

You guys both definitely raise some good points. ASI on a FF would cost me at least 2k CE I think for a medium. Expensive, as Fradow said.

Using an ASI trinket hadn't occurred to me, I'll definitely think about that. On the other hand, as Bopp pointed out, throwing teammates in the equation changes things a bit. I'm actually quite fond of letting my teammates distract a group of fiends and then crashing into the middle of the crowd, doing tons of damage to all of them. It's why I got FF instead of DTB in the first place ^.^

I do have an elemental, a CTR med voltedge <3 And Bopp has a good point that it would probably be a difficult sword to move. If I upgraded my 4* to a BTS, the fiend med wouldn't even matter. I don't own a shadow shield.

So, like Fradow concluded, no clear answer. It seems like I would want either a CTR med or ASI med over this random triple UV. Looks nice in my tooltip though :P

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 23:18

Metagenic

hmm

Vog Cub Set + Barbarous Thorn Shield + Elite Slash Module, Elite Sword Focus Module = ASI very high, CTR very high, DMG very high. The OP's UVs would complement this nicely.

On another note, it might seem weird to suggest elemental armor and a piercing shield, but believe me: when you're wearing the wrong defense for the level, you learn to avoid attacks pretty fast.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 02:34

Derpules

Heh, I remember selling you that as a 2*.

Anyway, I'd just throw on two ASI trinkets and call it a day. ASI VH is more than enough for safe shielding. (Actually, no ASI is already safe enough--the Flourish on its own is quick.)

If you care about maxing your performance (rather than testing your skill, heh), I'd really suggest getting a shadow shield. Having an appropriate shield type makes so much more difference to survivability than any UV would.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 06:41

Aiden-Curry-Puff

Haha I was wondering if you'd find this

Hey there Derpules xD Yup I remember buying it from you a couple months back haha. I like your idea about getting a shadow shield, I don't really have a problem with safe shielding because the flourish is so fast, but I can't take too many hits to the shield which becomes annoying when there's a whole bunch of them. I guess I might just take the flourish up to FF just for the lols of having a triple UV xD

So in that case, which shadow shield?

P.S. Random question, anyone know how much a wolver cap/coat with fire high would cost?

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 08:27

Fradow

Crest of Almire for

Crest of Almire for fire/shock protection, Dread Skelly Shield for poison/freeze protection.

Generally, fire and shock are more feared, so people choose Crest. You'll need to kill Vanaduke quite a bit, but provided you can, it's way cheaper than Dread Skelly because you have already the 4* item for a few tokens.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 13:46

Derpules

Crest is basically just better.

And cheaper.

I use a skelly, though, because I suck so bad against fiends that I needed a shadow shield just to make it to KoA. I know, I know. XP I'll still make a Crest later, though.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:05

Fradow

"Crest is basically just

"Crest is basically just better. "

No it's not. Different status protection means different usage. Dread Skelly is plain better against poison and freeze. Notably, Shadow Lair Snarby, but there are some other missions with poison/freeze fiends, and it can make the difference between shield alive and broken, and so you dying.

But having both is kinda expensive.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:51

#10

Pepperonius

Shields

I actually find myself using swiftstrike in FSC more than anything these days, and Dread Skelly against fiends of all kinds. it is quite a good shield, and the extra shadow it provides over CoA is noticeable as well... if you can get both, i'd advise it, for sure.

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