"Seeing as how I'm running SK on a toaster so Nitronome easily lags me out, instead of just telling him to not use Nitronome and giving the reason why, I'll just kick him from the party! It's SO simple!"
Really? Is this how Nitronome users are going to be treated nowadays? We're supposed to somehow know via telepathic powers that you're getting lagged out from Nitronome usage because you couldn't afford the extra bit of money to buy something better than a Pentium 1?
is that the big flashy screen shacky thing? :D
don't think it's about "i'm running this with a curling iron" but more of a "my eyes!!! they burn!!!!" kinda thing :D (but then again i myself kick people out of FSC party's wielding ONLY a polaris hahaha)
I carried a whole team through RJP as a swordy, the leader kickes me RIGHT after the final room in red carpet run-around on the way to the elevator. All that heat for my plasma capacitor, gone.
On a slightly more related note, sorry bro. While I agree there should be more communication, you have to admit nitro, even if it doesn't cause lag, has some flaws that make it undesirable in groups. Like the fact it flings enemies into teammates more than Levi charges do
Err..don't mean to burst your bubble, I don't kick anyone over it, but I do often say do you have a better option to N-er's.
Man I hate Nitronomes..
Nitronome doesn't cause me to lag, but it makes mobs scatter, and I take more hits with enemies flying everywhere unpredictably. Therefore if I'm in a party with sombody using a Nitronome, I ask them to stop. If they don't stop, I go solo.
It sounds like you can't handle getting kicked by a girl from a party lol
If you're having girl problems, I feel bad for you son, you've got 99 problems but a party ain't one.
@Repartee
That was terrible.
Also I usually make parties with only a nitronome so I can fling mobs sporadically and they can't do anything but solo!
FSC run? No no. More like my deathtrap/heattrap.
If you can't compromise during combat, or shield before the detonation, then i would be kicking YOU for complaining about somthing so pointless.
The bomb clearly shows when it goes off, make it a habit to shield at the same time. If it lags you, tough, other people want to have fun, THEIR way, not be told what to do, just because someone can't do somthing by impulse.
so 3 people should have to adjust their play and work less efficiently because of 1 person?
Sometimes, I like to use Nitronome with my big angry bomb/irontech destroyer. They complement each other nicely.
Telekinesis: The ability to move objects with your mind.
You meant telepathic which is the ability to transmit and to receive thoughts through your mind.
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~Gigglebytes
It's called adapting, and improvising. In any actual combat, that's what makes the soldier. What you're suggesting is like telling you buddy not to use a rocket launcher at an incoming tank, because it's too bright and noisy.
Deal with it.
When I go on FSC runs in my bombing loadout and people won't coordinate with me to help my RSS kill slags (which is actually the fastest weapon to kill a slag walker, bar none), then I just bring out the nitronome and start annoying every single person in the party. If they get killed without adapting, then it's their fault. I refuse to "bow" before swords, which aren't as all-powerful as people like to make them out to be.
I do make sure to be the leader of the party when I do this. :D
At someone that has been deployed and in the military I can say that if the rocket was causing your allies to die because of collateral damage during an engagement with the enemy then, yes. I would tell my battle buddy to stop unless he knew how to use it without killing his allies. What you are suggesting is like saying fratricide is ok so long as you get that tank.
See what strawman sounds like?
Well i'm a melee user, mainly. But i gun for vana only. Strike needle. Bomb only for JK, or other hordes of gremlins.
I just believe that if you own it, you should be able use it whenever you dang well please.
There are times and places where I love a nitronome. It is fantastic for any engagements with gremlins. Because it stuns them and is such is perfect for parties. You having one should know it's inappropriate in some places. That's just how it is, if it gets more than 1 person killed I'd say it's inappropriate. You have to amortize the usefulness of that weapon over how much inconvenience it causes to others in your group.
The moral of the story is, use it responsibly. But don't feel like you have to be banned from it. It's somthing you spent time and money to create.
nitronome-only-eat-it-not-my-problem
I think people will understand what they are agreeing to when they addd you to their friend's list.
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@Gigglebytes: Yeah I only just realized my mistake.
@everyone else: Maybe I should have elaborated more on the situation. The actual kick happened in the 2nd level of RJP, lower right room (second room we were doing). That was when I took out my Nitronome because placing it on the party button and having it go off there prevents any slimes from doing anything because they'll get thrown away from the team before they can attack, which continues until they die. Prior to that room, I did not even use Nitro AT ALL, so all your points about me sending mobs flying into teammates and getting kicked because of that are moot. The leader hadn't even stepped on the button yet and proceeded to kick me after seeing me charge the bomb up.
@Njthug: Yes, because when I get kicked, I must immediately bring gender inequalities into the picture. There is absolutely NOTHING to do with in-game things when a person gets kicked, mirite? Try harder.
I used to hate Nitronomes... and then I realized that you can just stand at the epicenter of the blast and be perfectly safe from just about everything. Now, I find them rather amusing.
I <3 <3 <3 my nitronome. I also realize that it can be a tremendous annoyance for others.
A couple easy solutions are before someone joins your run (or before u join theirs):
1. Just say, hey i'm gonna use nitronome ok? They'll generally say yeah, even if they don't much like it.
2. Another solution is to say, 'hey i'm gonna use nitronome in XYZ room (like the final 'arena' rooms of Jelly Palace). Just a little compromise.
3. Or maybe they can go do the left and right sides of the first floor of Jelly Palace and let you nitro to your hearts content the 2 jelly spawns in the center.
4. Organize a bomber only run. Shout in trade chat, bomber only JK run. I'm using nitro. You'd be surprised how many people will be glad to join and use a complimentary bomb like VT or AoA or VV or RSS etc. It is actually a lot more fun to do an all bomber run than it is to bomb while others sword.
P.S. One last thing is that the Nitronome doesn't do particularly great DPS vs small numbers of mobs. It gets even worse when u are in a party of sword users, the nitro can actually reduce party DPS by slowing down the kills of the sword users in favor of some small normal damage.
Signed,
A sad, once, pure-bomber!
I used to dislike Nitronome, until I learned how to dodge.
... Or better yet, knock them further away, like passing the ball for the corner-shot, except there is no goal net, so you just send them flying instead. That is also fun.
Really though, I have never had issues with Nitronome mid-combat. It's only when they spam it unnecessarily out of combat that it catches my eyes' attention and it starts hurting, in which case I politely request that they stop, and if they're actual, decent human beings, they will stop so that I won't be seeing stars for the next thirty-or-so minutes.
So...I don't get what all the fuss is about.
/shrug
Then I got blown to pieces by one in LD, so now I understand somewhat.
It's cool though, just shows some people know how to use their tools effectively.
Personally, Nitronome bombers are not a problem for me unless they're getting in my way. In other words, if I'm unleashing swordie hell on a Giant lichen colony, don't you DARE knock it away from me with your pitiful single-target damage so that I can't flinch it and it damages us all with a ground spike eruption -.-
Just know when and how to use it to maximize effectiveness, and most people shouldn't have a problem. Otherwise, stick to solo/guild runs, where you know they're good enough to handle it and not whine about your use of it until you get better. By what I can tell, you were going to use it well in that room, but some people tend to rush to judgement and assume you're bad with it :/
That is my least favorite weapon in the game. It shakes the screen, is damn bright, and has terrible knockback.
I tell the user I don't like the nitronome but I will deal with it.
Make Irontech Destroyer a knockback-less version of Nitronome.
Success.
The only real problem is that people are not USED to people spamming nitronome. It isn't necessarily the fact that I think nitronome-users don't know what they are doing, it's the fact that they are so rare and I am skeptical of whether you might cause the party to wipe.
I don't care if you spam it in FSC, but I would tell one using it directly to not even show it against vana.
I like my vana kills homogenous.
Sometimes, I like to use Nitronome with my big angry bomb/irontech destroyer. They complement each other nicely.
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I like my nitro, did a nitro only run against the king with a friend yesterday and it was great. There are times that it shouldn't be used I agree. Like when trying to freeze a horde of slays in the fsc. It's not that bad though.
I'm fully aware of the risks associated with using Nitronome recklessly, but I'm going to practice what I preach and assume that the party leader did not know that, despite seeing me in full bomber gear and laying Voltaics+Agnis non-stop in the 1.5 levels prior to that room. It isn't even a question of whether I was going to use it recklessly or flawlessly - the party leader kicked me simply on the basis of the Nitronome animation lagging him out, without even mentioning a single word to me about it. This is why I'm somewhat peeved right now, because people are so quick to kick, especially when it comes to Nitro users. I don't like the idea of me carrying around a Nitro knowing that at any second, I could get kicked just from pulling it out. And don't tell me to just not bring it around as a solution; while he may not have put forth his point properly, Damienfoxy has a valid point when he mentions that your items are for you to use freely.
@Coatl: I'm actually against the idea of using Nitronome in FSC. In fact, I'd NEVER use it there since RSS with damage bonuses outshines Nitro completely in terms of damage and crowd control there.
basically it now just sounds like you're whining. "Oh they're just picking on us because we use nitro". If I wanted I could complain when people kick me from their party because I'm wearing proto gear, no shield, and one weap just to make it a "challenge". Or about people kicking me for using shiver and "getting them killed", I've even heard that in FSC lol. The point is yes, you have the option to use it. But one would also question why you would, especially in a non-bomber group. AoA or Venom would assist your TEAM dps more, it feels like. I'm also going to assume you don't have dark retribution, because though it misses the minis it's still way better for RJP than nitro
Ramdomzz, you know that nitrome is our only radius dmg bomb?
Some can control how to plant it.
AND, some can't afford DR and if there is a Fire themed lv. Also, VV is pretty sucky as the dmg binus is low and I only use it in Arenas/RJP/Vana(if I get to him...)
I use AoA, shiver, have used toxic atomizer, am leveling up my plasma capacitor and my RSS. I do have experience bombing, and I do realize the nitro is the (best) radius damage bomb (you also have BAB and Irontech :P). But even if you know how to control it, more often you make it harder for the rest of your team by spreading the monsters out and making us chase them down.
I realize not everyone wants to spend $6 on an expansion or wants to use steam's free service to be able to trade for it. Just saying there are better options.
We're also talking about RJP specifically here (or I am) so fire themes don't really come into affect.
If you're a good bomber, you realize that communication with your team is just as important as positioning and if you're going to use nigh on any bomb, you should be properly co-ordinating with your team mates to maximize the effectiveness of the whole party. People who spam bombs and don't do this are often a detriment to their party, although conversely anyone bringing up the whole "don't use Nitro in groups, period" babble is either ignorant or as much of a bad player as people who spam disruptive weapons constantly.
I felt the need to chime in on the ongoing discussion, regarding the topic I suppose the usual "if you play with random strangers, expect them to be dicks". People have been kicked for infinitely more shallow reasons than their weapon choice in online games, if you run in PUGs that's the risk you take I'm afraid. If you wish to avoid it, run with friends or guild mates.
Ramdomzz, you know that nitrome is our only radius dmg bomb?
Dark Briar Barrage called, she wants a divorce.
@Randomzz: You (and Echoez) seem to be missing the point I'm trying to make. I don't use Nitro throughout the entire RJP, but only for that one specific room I mentioned. The first and second blast causes every single jelly that spawns to aggro on me, which allows the other 3 teammates to start the top left corner without fear of jellies going to attack them there and blocking their way. I'm sorry that my complaint about getting kicked for trying to help my party comes off as whining to you.
Nitro is useful in the first depth of RJP, to keep enemies from ever exiting left and right rooms. In second depth it's great for the top and bottom left rooms, and as an initial blast in the lower right room.
That requires teammates to co-ordinate and co-operate - let bomber stand between them and the mobs, and shoot instead of going in and slash, can't see a thing and then die to counter attacks.
Newbies who still haven't grasp the basics of swordsmanship in SK die pretty fast to jellies. Nitro in fact help newbies survive - by keeping the enemies out of reach.
I used to use my Nitronome, but then I took a Dark Retribution to the Bomb Bandolier...
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Screw you, I'm not leaving.