Ladies, Kitty-Softpaws is officially now available for PUGGING complaint free. Which means I'm up for some random partying on FSC - Lord Vanaduckie boss fights with zero complaints! Ooo baby you don't have to worry about grinding my gears anymore!
Hurrah for PUGs & them not having shiver or blitz! The ultimate solution to all our FSC - Boss Fight problems!
Why carry Shivermist Buster or Blitz Needle when you can have BOTH OF THEIR AFFECTS OF IN ONLY ONLY WEAPON! DERRRRRRp.
i'll bring my iceberg flourish, and just freeze him with that, while you guys use your projectile peircing hammers to kill vana and friends.
good thinking. i'll bring my blitzneedlenome bomb and use that too.
Should I ignore the fact that you have 1 1/2 bars left with no pills at your disposal?
You have to NOT have shiver OR blitz AND be at least doing a decent job or just label the Video "what happens when you don't bring shivermist or blitz."
1- The damage is ridiculously low
2- There's a chance to fail the freeze
I'd rather go mad bomber wih sun shards than alchemers.
1. The charge won't hold you back like the blitz Needle. (meaning you're not as vulnerable when you charge attack the gun like you are with the blitz)
2. It's more effective if more people in the group are carrying this gun for terms of having Lord Duke frozen & this is just a referral to PUG runners who never having the right gear for that stratum/to boss Lord Duke. (elemental + it freezes? this is great for FSC either way!)
Cool.
Problem: Blitz does 2500 damage on charge. Freeze gun does 400 damage on charge.
Compare the 4* needle with my 4* cryo tech.
You have to stand still for a whole 2 seconds to deliver the blitz charge, the alchemer only one. Gives less time for Vana to mace you.
Also, richochets hit multiple slags in FSC, dealing 800 damage all in total, not to mention a 90% chance of freeze on a direct hit.
Alchemers can be used to attack Trojans when they're facing you, and the Hail Driver and Magma Driver are especially useful for this.
I do admit I need a better gun though.
Question, why are there two Rangerwills?
Rangerwillx=Original
Rangerwill=Name thief
On topic: That damage is kind of pitiful =/
123+66*6=519 (That should be the max number of hits for a 4* alchemer charge, I believe)
Blitz needle charge is 123 damage per needle against Vana, I believe. Only a third of the charge attack's needles have to hit to deal more damage than your driver's charge.
An alternative is using an AP if you don't have a shiver, though I have no experience with that gun so I can't say much about it.
1) as already mentionned damage. The difference is overwhelming. I don't think I even need to do the maths to prove that.
2) freeze. As Juance said, it can fail. But that's not it : every single little damage will break it (even that water). Contrary to Shiver, Vana will not be freezed again before you do the next charge. He will probably do much more attacks that way than with Shiver (with a Shiver, it's totally possible to do the entire fight without him attacking even once).
3) random people are not going to carry a freezing achemer most of the time. AP and Polaris are more shiny, and this alchemer is arguably the worst (there have been arguments on that. The majority opinion is that freeze doesn't damage, break itself, and hinder kiting). If you invest in a gun for FSC, you may as well get a BN. Or at least an AP.
4) if you don't want to carry specific weapons, you may as well try to do it with swords. Though I doubt you can succeed that in PUG, where there is often 1 or 2 person who don't have a clue of what's going on.
All that to say : no, Shiver and Blitz Needle is still better. It's still the most efficient method compared to how difficult it is to do (in case I don't exprim myself well : it's ridiculously easy for a fast kill time). Granted, there are other valid methods, but they are either way more difficult to achieve (all swords, bombing) or take way more time to kill (most gunning methods save autoguns).
"Rangerwillx=Original
Rangerwill=Trying (too hard)"
Fixed.
If you want to PUG vana just bring a shiv. Most people carry a gun of some kind, so if you have shiv, then you can freeze him constantly. If your team really sucks (or is horribly equipped), then you can do what I do. Both freeze and damage vana yourself. Just have your other players water vana constantly (make sure they know to throw next to vana, not directly at him).
So the whole point of freezing Vanaduke is to like, keep him from turning so you can either kill guards or get behind him to deal massive damage - with Shivermist's constant freeze, it makes it safer to keep attacking, since it (timed well) will freeze him even while he's getting hit.
Cryo/Hail driver, vials, are good enough for that 'single freeze' that can buy time to kill guards or revive someone :x
Well, I guess it worked for you somehow lol.
Polaris> shivermist
Dark briar barrage/Radiant sun shards>blitz needle
easy right?
LMAOO, I AM A GENIUS. GUESS WHO JUST SOLO'D LORD VANADUKE?! GUESS GUESS GUESSS?!?!!! OMG THIS IS DEFINITELY MY GREATEST IDEA, I HAVE NEVER DONE SUCH A SWEET SOLO RUN & EVEN PREVAILED!!!! OMG OMG OMGGGG :D GOODDD
You guys can say what you want but just as a reference, I was the one who made the blitz Needle popular in FSC. As well as me introducing the Skolver line & the Brandish line as a good mix. Don't talk people, unless you don't try this then don't talk snipe poop about this video. I just solo'd Vanaduke so easily. I have NEVER SOLO'D HIM BEFORE AND HAVE WON! That gun is <33333
REMEMBER, KITTY-SOFTPAWS STARTED THIS JUST LIKE HE STARTED THE BLITZ IN FSC & PLAYERS WEARING DAMAGE BONUS SKOLVER & USING BRANDISHES.
90% FREEZES HIM ENTIRELY, IT WAS SUCH A SMOOTH RUN AND DIDN'T EVEN TAKE THAT LONG IN THE FIRST PHASE. The charge is so quick, you don't even need UV. Get as close as you can, charge attack him & BAM BABY! C'mon nick & OOO, how come you won't acknowledge me? I just made Vanaduke completely easy to do, RJ is going to be the one who'll be harder to do now.
And @ below post, YES, YES SHE IS.
this is too good I'm requesting a NERF for it. <~ Three Rings nerf this gun, I am not kidding, in the hands of a veteran your end-game boss is about to be child's play & this was just a 4* gun.
...Isn't Kitty Softpaws the name of the Girl Cat from Puss in Boots?
You know, it's funny how I get so much hate from you guys yet months later I see you trying out what I do & say. Blitz needle & Shivermist Buster in one is this alchemer gun.
@ Strudul
That is not something I'd like to look at when eating my breakfast, I will further avoid looking at any of your links for the remaining of the day.
I am starting to thing this guy isn't as he said he was.
And he was braging about soloing JK in 5* gear.
I don't have 5* gear & I can't tell humor through the internet or sarcasm if you are doing any of those. I am just grumpy & FRABJOUSSSLY FURIOUSS how all my ideas are always shot down & how you all shut me up & put me on mute. All you people ever want is videos of soloing UFSC vanaduke with swords only.
Then using Vana/dark vana with swords is the same as no shiv/blitz.
Wow.
Unessisary Whining is unessissary.
"All you people ever want is videos of soloing UFSC vanaduke with swords only."
Me? Watching Spiral Knight Videos? You must be Joking. I prefer Arby 'n' the Chief.
UFSC Vanaduke is now end-game content!
what Ironskull said, except i prefer Tom & Jerry :<
I believe Baod (A gunner from Delicious Bacon) started the whole Blitzing Vanaduke thing.
yes, but i started the whole "Spam polaris in LD" thing, cause it was my only five star gun when LD came out, sorry LD peeps....
mhmmmm, but i also started computers/phones, no checkmate :D
I invented electricity. Take that.
Just incase you haven't caught on to the above comments, Hail on Vana isn't really new, and you are by far not the first person to invent it (Considering I have used it on him 3 months before this thread was created and like 50,000,000,000,000 have used it months before me, in fact before I have even heard of this game probably).
We didn't really get excited about it because the damage is sort of poor.
Here's a thought... if you're all about safety and must always use the Hail, instead of constantly spamming Hail charges / shots over and over on a frozen Vana... pull out a Blitz and needle him once you freeze him. It shouldn't be that tough in comparison to spamming Hail.
I've been alternating this with mah plague needle for like 2 months already. :/
So much for invention.
This thread is targeted to pick up groups & newbies. /lock thread
I thought you were that guy who hated PUGs...
The winds of change are coming in fast. Hold tight.