http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2012/05/japan-poised-to-limit-chance-...
About time governments noticed the blatant gambling law abuses in this game (and others).
SK is going to be banned in Japan
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 16:05
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 16:15
#2
Gambling? Sk? Are you stoned
Gambling? Sk? Are you stoned off your gourd?
Only thing close to a game of chance in sk, are the lockboxes. And those don't require real money.
And need i point that free to play, means it's FREE, unless you WILLINGLY throw money at it.
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 16:21
#3
Wrong. This banning spree is
Wrong. This banning spree is about specific type of gambling, it's about "boxes" with random content and there being a prize for collecting the whole set of items from those "boxes", Spiral Knights doesn't have such a thing so nope, it won't be banned.
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 16:26
#4
Gambling shouldn't be banned
Gambling shouldn't be banned in the first place. If people are willingly, and knowingly throwing their money away, so be it. If people have an addiction, why not leave them be, like tobacco companies?
It's insane, and i don't want to live on this planet anymore. (someone please insert the professor farnsworth meme, since i'm doing this on a tacky mobile phone)
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 16:28
#5
No subject line spam here, move along
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 16:29
#6
Sorry for teh
Sorry for teh stereotyping/racism, but the country full of tentacles and other weird !"&%$ complains about videogame gambling?
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 16:32
#7
^ this
+1
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 16:35
#8
Interesting article
But first of all, I'm not a priestess, I'm a princess.
Now that we've cleared that up, let me respond seriously to this article. First, I had to look up what a gewgaw is (a showy trifle : bauble, trinket, i.e., accessory), I'm fairly certain the Japanese government would only target certain type of Japanese games sites, which are quite different from English sites. Would the government ban Pokemon style games in which people buy packs of random cards trying to complete a set? Of course, not. And the onnline games are using that same model, so I'm not sure what the government is thinking exactly. If they want to try to remove the randomness from a game, then Punch may get run out of town, and lockboxes may come to an end, but the possibility seems extremely remote. And if Spiral Knights did get banned in Japan somehow, then, Yes, that would be the end of the Dragon Princess (for awhile anyway).
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 16:39
#9
SK is dangerously close to
SK is dangerously close to that law, but nope, not quite.
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 16:47
#10
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"But first of all, I'm not a priestess, I'm a princess."
Wow, & I've been saying it Wrong this whole time. I need to Slow down when I read...
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Eh, Imma call you a Priestess from now on. I'll Edit it Once, but after that, you're going to be a Priestess.
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 16:52
#11
No subject line spam here, move along
@Iron, get the chopper on standby, if this does go through we're going in for extraction.
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 17:16
#12
IMO, you're not gambling if
IMO, you're not gambling if you're guaranteed something in returned or if the means of gambling can be obtained through ways that don't require money, or even the prize.
The closest thing too it would be the lockboxes and UV's, both of which ALWAYS come out with something you can use (whether you wanted it or not). Keys and UV'd gear can also be bought using crowns gained for free from the auction house or for specifically Uv's punch.
If they forced you to buy keys that had a chance at giving you nothing, you'd have a point, and since Sega is their parent company they'd probably make an effort to fix it were this a threat.
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 21:03
#13
...?
"blatant gambling law abuses in this game "
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/112/480/OpoQQ.jpg
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 21:04
#14
Triplejuances has a
Triplejuances has a point.
Also, I've met a few players from Europe while playing Spiral Knights, but I haven't met anyone from Asia yet.
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 21:20
#15
Not SK.
But I know plenty of
Not SK.
But I know plenty of MMOs that should be banned because gambling is a necessity in it. -.-
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 22:26
#16
Phew
You made me skip a heartbeat there... and no don't overreact, they won't ban SK in Japan, unless they want to turn me into a terrorist...
Wed, 05/09/2012 - 02:40
#17
Gambling shouldn't be banned
Gambling shouldn't be banned in the first place. If people are willingly, and knowingly throwing their money away, so be it. If people have an addiction, why not leave them be, like tobacco companies?
Are you honestly advoating that companies should be allowed to exploit people's addictions? The fact we're a flawed enough society to allow x and y to do so doesn't mean we should be actively encouraging it, if anything we should be trying to prevent these sorts of practices.
Wed, 05/09/2012 - 03:07
#18
What about those that don't
What about those that don't WANT to quit?
There are already support groups for those that do want to quit, and many succeed. Addiction, as far as i'm concerned, is either a bad choice, or an educated choice. You can be an idiot, and screw up you life, or you can learn all the facts and use it responsibly.
Are you telling me you want to protect idiots? Because they're too stupid to know better?
Wed, 05/09/2012 - 03:29
#19
Idiots make the world go round.
And these forums apparently...
Wed, 05/09/2012 - 03:31
#20
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This reminds me of S4
lol
Wed, 05/09/2012 - 09:10
#21
punch and lockboxs
punch rolling uvs is a gamble,opening lockboxs is a gamble and most of the time a poor return
Wed, 05/09/2012 - 09:56
#22
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SK? Gambling? Nope.
How is it? Gambling to me is pumping money into a 'game' with a chance that you can lose it, or also make big profit. I don't particularly understand how SK is gambling, any money you pump into the game gives you something in return, sure if you choose to waste it then, yes, it's a waste but oh, guess what, you. Wasted it.
Anyway, I may be biased though (meaning I wouldn't agree with you either way), if you remember our little disagreement xD
~The Mighty Cheese Knight; WeeGee
Wed, 05/09/2012 - 10:11
#23
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/n
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T120505002978.htm
Again, this isn't much about gambling in general.
Wed, 05/09/2012 - 10:13
#24
> "players pay a small fee to
> "players pay a small fee to purchase a random, mystery in-game item (similar to real-world gashapon machines), in an effort to collect complete sets of similar items that unlock a rare "grand prize" item"
Remember that once upon a time, the only way to get shadow keys was via lockboxes.. so if you wanted that Snarbolax set, someone somewhere had to open a box
Wed, 05/09/2012 - 10:22
#25
Again, they talk about the
Again, they talk about the prize for completion, not the method of obtaining other prizes.
Wed, 05/09/2012 - 10:33
#26
I consider it gambling if
I consider it gambling if your odds for getting something crappy/worthless are much much higher than getting something that you want/valuable. In SK's case, the lockboxes are filled with accessories no-one wants, and are therefore essentially worthless, and there is a small handful of items that are really popular and valuable. Not to mention, there are certain really really rare items that seemingly never come out of the boxes. Kinda sounds like gambling to me.
Take Maplestory's gachapon, for example. Your odds of getting something of value is really really really close to none, so you have to dump a ton of NX (read: real money) into it to even have a chance of getting something good.
Honestly, I don't see how that's not gambling, even if you "get something" every time.
Wed, 05/09/2012 - 10:33
#27
Like your title :P
"Also, I've met a few players from Europe while playing Spiral Knights, but I haven't met anyone from Asia yet."
Hi.
Cross, you had me thinking Japan turned into some sort of police state! I thought that stuff only happened where I live...
Wed, 05/09/2012 - 10:56
#28
There's quite a lot of
There's quite a lot of chance-based things in SK (most notably drops, UVs, boxes) and all involve putting in money one way or another, and winning money by selling the items for in-game currency, or steam trading (games/cross-game items) so it can definitely be argued that it's a form of gambling.
That being said, I think a government trying to police gambling in general is a significant cost for little benefit.
Thu, 05/10/2012 - 17:30
#29
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Wow Damien, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. If you had any understanding of the neuroscience behind addiction, you'd have a real hard time finding fault in people who fall for something that is designed to target them. Also betting my glacius that you've never known anyone struggling with an addiction, let alone have tried to tackle one yourself. By the time most people find support groups, their lives have already been screwed up pretty badly (hence why they sought support, derp).
Furthermore I can't express how idiotic the idea is that it's better to deal with consequences later than to eliminate a problem before it starts. By that logic, nothing should have any safety standards whatsoever, because it's totally better to let hospitals deal with the fallout of dangerous products than just not to sell them in the first place.
Thu, 05/10/2012 - 20:36
#30
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"Crossproduct"
Aren't you that guy who keeps saying worthless things?
Thu, 05/10/2012 - 21:38
#31
"Sorry for teh
"Sorry for teh stereotyping/racism, but the country full of tentacles and other weird !"&%$ complains about videogame gambling?"
Same reason for a country full of fat people who eat hotdogs and donuts complain about videogame violence.
Or a country full of thongs and beer drinking bludgers complaining about videogame latency
Or a country full of tea and people with dumb looking houses/cars...erm...I don't have any videogame stereotypes for Europe (*cough* England *cough*)
Fri, 05/11/2012 - 03:08
#32
WRONG SIDE OF THE ROOOOOAD
WRONG SIDE OF THE ROOOOOAD
Fri, 05/11/2012 - 03:36
#33
^
This.
XD
^
This.
XD
So, wait, does this Mean that the Dragon Princess is going to be Gone?
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