Spiral Knights - Vanaduke is a fiend?

Vanaduke is a fiend?

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Fri, 05/11/2012 - 12:01

Chodere

After post update with the blitz needle damage increase I decided to test how much it really effected the damage. My first test was 268 damage for each hit of the charge attack. I had two gun damage trinkets and low UV verse fiends. Before update it was 194, so I decided the jump was too big (It was the first time i used my blitz needle after I got low UV verse fiends on it). So then I went to punch and got charge time low on my blitz needle; replacing my fiend UV low and then did another Vanaduke run. My damage was 261 this time with the exact same set. I only tested this on Vanadukes's body phases and no mask phases. The only other thing I could think of was that the first damage was in solo and the second test was in a full party. This never had any difference before, so they either changed this or Vanaduke is a fiend. Could anyone please help me confirm this?

What I was trying to get at was, why does damage verse fiend work on Vanaduke but damage verse the undead does not.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 12:04

Kive

well yes and no

his body is fiend but his head Im pretty sure has resistance to everything but normal weapons

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 12:09

Cryoworld

Technically Vanaduke is

Technically Vanaduke is listed as a member of the undead, but in reality he's in a family of his own.

His body phase has the weakness of wolvers and fiends, but his mask phase is resistant to everything but normal damage. However, you still deal a lot of damage to his mask with a blitz charge. With VH damage on a blitz, you'll do 218 per bullet on his mask, making short work of it.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 12:14

Juances

err.. what the guy is asking if a DMG vs fiend UV affects Vanaduke. Suppsoedly, it didnt work before, but OP believes they changed it in last patch.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 12:20

Tenkii

Say again?

Hey Chodere,

By 2 gun damage trinkets, do you mean elite trueshots?

What I'm asking: You have VH gun damage, correct?
I (or if you're lucky, someone else) can try it in a run later and watch damage. Damage numbers shouldn't change between solo/party, just monster HP.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 12:20

Juances

The safest way to find out is with a divine veil and a vanilla blitz.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 12:22

Chodere

Juances

Yes that's what I was asking. I haven't seen a thread about any UV for family damage working on Vanaduke so it probably new.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 12:26

Chodere

Testing

If anyone could help confirm this that would be great. If not though I'll make a divine veil and see for myself on both the body and mask. Unfortunately it might take me a couple hours. But hey, any confirmation is better than none.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 12:30

Kive

no brob dude

Im makin a divine veil today. Ill post the results saturday

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 13:30

Chodere

Thank you

I'm testing a seraphic mail, negative fire resist by about 5 points, but fiend dmg bonus low, as we speak. The more confirmation the better though, I hope we get to the bottom of this soon.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 14:20

#10

Tersakaff

No, he is a Vanaduke.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 14:35

#11

Chodere

Results are in

Fiend UV does not affect him in a 4 person party, the damage was still 261. The solo with the 268 was immediately after the update before the bug fix patches that followed. There was just most likely a glitch that caused fiend UV to work. I will test a solo sooner or later but as far as testing goes, it was just a bug. Or the UV on the gun was bugged (since guns were updated, and that's where the UV was). Any testing from solo players who have fiend damage on their blitz needle would be great however.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 19:14

#12

Halifix

Yeah, Vana isn't a fiend. I

Yeah, Vana isn't a fiend. I used two nitronomes, one with vh fiend, the other with ctr med. I had a trinket med bomb damage bonus. Both bombs dealt 246 damage.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 21:51

#13

Alchemystic

Vanaduke isn't a fiend

Vanaduke isn't a fiend because it summons Undead. The bullets from the mask phases inflict elemental damage. The mace attack inflicts shadow damage. The only consistency with Vanaduke is the fire status effect.

Fri, 05/11/2012 - 23:20

#14

Hexzyle

The damage of all guns was

The damage of all guns was increased in the update.

Read the patch notes.

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 02:03

#15

Lukehandkooler

I was getting 261 per with

I was getting 261 per with charge with +dmg very high ( 1 shadowsun piece +1 E-trueshot)

The difference of 261-->268 leads me to believe someone may have had a weapon along that inflicted a rather weak poison status accounting for the reading of 268. Like perhaps a 3* toxic needle.

@Hexzyle, OP clearly states that all his figures were taken post-patch.

~Luke

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 06:56

#16

Dukeplatypus

@Alchemystic

The mace does normal/stun/fire, no shadow damage whatsoever.

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 15:10

#17

Soarel

depends

depends if you go by story or by stats.

By story, he is a fiend. (not undead, some evil god thing mutated him. he didn't die)

By stats, he is a flamer. (not part of species family, just a fire dealing guy)

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 17:43

#18

Kive

@chodere

tryed it earlier today dosent work so fiend bonus dosent work

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