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Did I waste my money on the Avenger sword?

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Mon, 04/25/2011 - 20:15
Foxhound3857
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I was told the Avenger is a really good weapon that will see me through all of Tier3 with little trouble. Well I've been using it to farm crowns/mats through tier 2 and so far it has yet to impress me. Mediocre damage with a slow swing rate and an awkward charge. Was I wrong to buy this weapon, or is it just gonna take time before I see this weapon start to shine?

I'm also a bit skeptical about Normal Defense on armors. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't defense supposed to reduce the damage you take PER HIT? I'm wearing all 4* equipment so far and it seems like I'm taking just as much damage wearing this stuff as I would with my newbie Proto equipment. What gives?

I had 7k energy before I started tier 2, now I have only 2300. I feel so broke.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 20:21
#1
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Pauling
It's a good sword. What

It's a good sword. What enemies are you attacking? Constructs and undead are weak vs elemental damage; gremlins and beasts are strong.Thoughts:

- The avenger can interrupt enemy attacks and knock enemies back
- the charge offers sword-level damage with gun-style range, and can connect for multiple hits

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 20:37
#2
IceMilkTea
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Its good, especially combined with a Faust IMO

Im using both a faust and avenger and im very hapy in T2 with it.

Especially farming JK. Kill Jellies and Gremlins with faust, The big tree thing, zombies and constructs with Avenger.

If ure not doing extra dmg with either, then chances are one of em will do a normal dmg and the other will do grey dmg.

But in the end you got all your bases covered.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 21:00
#3
Ozymandius
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Wheee damage types.

As for damage taken, what are you wearing? Normal Defense doesn't apply to all damage, just Normal Type damage inflicted. So if you're taking Elemental Damage, and don't have any defense against that, then you'll be taking more damage.

In addition, on T1- all damage dealt is Normal type only. On T2, half the damage dealt is of the type indicated by the attack- Red for Normal, Green for Elemental, Purple for Shadow, and Yellow for Piercing. However, the other half of damage dealt is always Normal type damage. So a Retrode shooting its eyebeam at you will deal half Elemental and half Normal type damage, and a Retrode swiping at you with its claw will deal all Normal damage. On T3, my understanding is enemies will generally deal only the damage type indicated, so all Shadow, or Normal, or whatever. Your shield and armor resist each damage type separately, so sometime only Normal defense isn't enough. Though you're generally screwed on any Tier without any Normal Defense type at all.

Check the wiki pages on Monsters and Dealing Damage to get a better idea of how damages types work. Maybe that'll help you with weapon choices. Lastly, personally I like the Avenger. Yeah, it's slow. But against the right enemies, like Constructs or Undead, it tends to hit like a truck. On T3, where you usually should only swing once, and be shielding all the rest of the time, hitting hard and knocking things back is really useful.

Hope this all helps a bit.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 21:19
#4
voodootau
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Im using Divine avenger

Im using Divine avenger currently. Although it has changed a little. id say its still a really great sword. There have been threads that compare it agaisnt the gran faust. It really depends on what your hitting. Considering i only have two weapon slots since i didnt get extra =.= im using a divine avenger and a firo driver. You have it tough it some maps and you have it tough in others. Just depends on what mobs you fight agaisnt. Most people recommoned granfaust though. Divine avenger is my personal preference. well obviously having both is the best result but i like my gun soooo... haha... =) take a look at wiki to see which mobs are weak agaisnt what. helps alot. if you have both swords. and you have limited slots but want to have a gun equipped. you could always see what monsters your gonna fight in the gates your taking. and equip the one that fits best. =)

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 22:02
#5
Feynt
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As they've said, the avenger

As they've said, the avenger depends largely on what you're fighting. The annoying late game enemies I've faced are weak to shadow and strong to element (gremlins) so I prefer the faust. But constructs and undead are push overs for elemental, so if you plan on facing those more often, have at it. The faust is faster to swing and recover, but the divine avenger does a three prong ranged attack.

Likewise, just as some monsters are strong/weak to particular damage types, they do different damage types as well. If your armour doesn't list a bar for a particular type (such as shadow being absent from the wolver set normally) then you effectively take damage as if you weren't even wearing armour. This makes the most popular sets more or less useless in the face of a lack of piercing damage enemies. Since late game most enemies do normal and elemental, with the odd shadow opponent (one of the gates has an almost solid shadow back end right now!) the current "ideal" armours are those like the skelly set, magic set, and angelic set.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 22:05
#6
Foxhound3857
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My equipment: Sword: Avenger

My equipment:

Sword: Avenger Lv4.
Gun: Super Blaster lv10.
Armor: Seraphic Mail Lv4.
Helmet: Seraphic Helmet Lv4.
Shield: Wise Owlite Shield Lv4.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 22:34
#7
Feynt
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With the seraphic gear, I'd

With the seraphic gear, I'd have thought going for the faust was a given, since you've got high curse resistance. There's no reason you can't get both, eventually. But keep in mind, unless you're blocking, the elemental resistance your shield offers doesn't help you at all. So you've got decent normal and shadow resistance, but no elemental resistance.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 22:46
#8
Hyperweevil
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The Avenger in itself is a

The Avenger in itself is a pretty good sword. It doesn't exactly suit my particular play-style, but it's very helpful in many situations. I'm in the process of making a Divine Avenger myself for a hard-hitting back-up sword.

Might I suggest Grabbing a Weapon Slot Upgrade and taking another sword with you to kind of balance out the weaknesses that you come across on your Avenger? I've got a Cutter Series Weapon with an Avenger as my back-up, and I cover a lot more in terms of damage types. Though for your case you may want to go with the Calibur line. It's extremely useful and the mats for it are rather easy to come by. Great damage and a useful Charge attack, you can't beat it in terms of usefulness.

And about your armor, Ozy and Feynt are correct. How much damage you're taking depends on what's being thrown at you. You only have Defense against Normal and Shadow, so Piercing and Elemental is gonna hurt something fierce if you should get hit by those. Piercing also includes spikes and thorns. And The Shield only comes into effect when it's actually active, so that won't help your damage resist when you get hit, only when you're blocking.

You can try diversifying your armor set up to contend with all types of Damage, or just stick to gates that don't have a lot of layers with enemies that deal piercing and elemental damage, like the Construct family, or Lichens.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 23:05
#9
Foxhound3857
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I block constantly. Swing

I block constantly. Swing once, block. That's my standard strategy for Tier 2 down.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 23:31
#10
Madcap
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The Divine Avenger is

The Divine Avenger is definitely a good sword to get for Firestorm Citadel and Vanaduke. It's a ton better to have than the level 5 caliber. (I have both.)

If you take a look here: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/5397 where my friends kill Vanaduke, we are all using Divine Avengers. I've tried using the lvl 5 Caliber one, and it doesn't work as well with the AI + Masses of units coming at you.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 23:17
#11
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Pawn
@Ozymandius

@Ozymandius,
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As for damage taken, what are you wearing? Normal Defense doesn't apply to all damage, just Normal Type damage inflicted. So if you're taking Elemental Damage, and don't have any defense against that, then you'll be taking more damage.

In addition, on T1- all damage dealt is Normal type only. On T2, half the damage dealt is of the type indicated by the attack- Red for Normal, Green for Elemental, Purple for Shadow, and Yellow for Piercing. However, the other half of damage dealt is always Normal type damage. So a Retrode shooting its eyebeam at you will deal half Elemental and half Normal type damage, and a Retrode swiping at you with its claw will deal all Normal damage. On T3, my understanding is enemies will generally deal only the damage type indicated, so all Shadow, or Normal, or whatever. Your shield and armor resist each damage type separately, so sometime only Normal defense isn't enough. Though you're generally screwed on any Tier without any Normal Defense type at all.

Check the wiki pages on Monsters and Dealing Damage to get a better idea of how damages types work. Maybe that'll help you with weapon choices. Lastly, personally I like the Avenger. Yeah, it's slow. But against the right enemies, like Constructs or Undead, it tends to hit like a truck. On T3, where you usually should only swing once, and be shielding all the rest of the time, hitting hard and knocking things back is really useful.

Hope this all helps a bit.
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That was fantastic. Please repost in the New Recruit thread :)

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 23:28
#12
Foxhound3857
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I guess if I really need the

I guess if I really need the elemental defense later, I'll get a crystal pendant or something. I'm thinking about getting a different armor though. I need something with better normal defense that isn't weak to fire, preferably with piercing defense too.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 00:20
#13
Feynt
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Piercing defense right now

Piercing defense right now only really helps with spike traps. So unless you intend to fight enemies while standing on spikes, don't need it. Besides those, the only actually hostile that does piercing is the odd lichen (either colonies that grow large enough to send out spikes, or already spikey lichen like the poison variety). So no, you really don't need anything with piercing defense. A pendant won't be enough to cover for your weaknesses.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 00:31
#14
Foxhound3857
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I just bought a Faust. Wow,

I just bought a Faust. Wow, performs so much better. Now my Seraph armor seems like a good investment, keeping me safe from Curse.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 00:44
#15
Feynt
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To be fair, curse is actually

To be fair, curse is actually an over inflated affliction. It prevents you from using two of your items and one of your weapons. As long as you don't go down into a "I absolutely must use my faust and never my " situation you're fine. For example, I run with a faust and winmillion in tier 3 (sometimes). When one gets cursed I simply don't use it.

I suggest using both the faust and avenger and switch it up when you encounter enemies strong against one of them. Chances are they'll be weak to the other, given the current gate arrangements.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 00:51
#16
Foxhound3857
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Well I'll be sure to block

Well I'll be sure to block all elemental attacks then. At least my shield is good for that.

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