Perhaps an easy way to add another level of depth to game play for knights touting the game as too easy.
The rules: simple, you die No Ce rez option (solo) (or have a party wipe) you start out back @ haven without any gear you had equipped ( Cr Ce &mist stay ) mabbe crafting = 1/2 price?
/discuss
~Luke
1) I'm not really looking to suggest it or pitch it just yet. More for discussion and feedback.
2) Yes. Every piece.
3) Knights flagged as HC share only mist w/ acct and can only send/recieve mail from other H/Cs. HC Haven, HC guilds, and HC Ah for HC community.
Maby even a player or OOO progression thread that gets wiped monthly with bosskills being Snarby= 2 JK= 4 Twins= 6 Vana=15 prog points?
Basically like hardcore mode in DII with a few less harsh penalties because gear doesnt drop at any kind of reliable rate in this game.
no ce rez's great idea
lose gear, no one will ever use it. you ruined your own suggestion, fyi :)
No maybe....it puts a 24 hour cool down on that gear =O that would be kinda neat. But forever lose.....terrible idea. Unless they want to be answering support tickets 24/7 by the few who are dumb enough to engage in this activity.
Ill give you this:
"maybe....it puts a 24 hour cool down on that gear =O that would be kinda neat."
But then we would have to nix this:
mabbe crafting = 1/2 price?
~Luke
Edit- Let me also say this wasnt meant for mains who already have priceless UV's gears. But more as a *alt* minigame or side project for thoes that can already rofelstomp 99.9% of the game. So with that in mind I really dont feel the harsh penalties would be unwarranted.
Cause lets face it outside of getting a pair of pigtails there isnt really much reason to alt in this game with the way the equipment works.
It may even serve to promote a competitive closer knit PvE community where using ventrilo or mumble to discuss strats or call out focus targets wouldnt be out of the norm, more meta would be involved to do well.
Lukehandkooler are you willing to do that yourself? Lose equipped gear permanently?
You see, you can do that already; go solo FSC or SL, if you die, return to Haven at once and sell your equipped items to NPC vendors. Throw the crowns you gained away by giving them to random strangers in front of AH or buy those delux packs for prestige missions.
I'm proposing this for alt-ing not risking junk off of our mains.
~Luke
That's a good idea, I would certainly play it.
@people coughing on loosing equipped gear : that's the purpose of a Hardcore mode. And that's not THAT hardcore, usually a hardcore mode means once you die, your character is deleted (yeah, that does exist, and people play it, crazy huh ? Diablo 2 is the example which comes to my mind, there are probably others)
And as Luke explicitly said multiple time, it would be a different character than normal ones, often playing only with other hardcore mode gamers. You really don't want to play with people who can get away with dying while you can't for multiple reasons.
@Lukehandkooler
You can attach the HC status to a Knight, or add a check box to the mission/clockwork interface. Either way it's lots of CE thrown away, you either craft a new set for your alt, or have an extra set for your main.
@Fradow
D2 HC only costs you time. CE costs money (or a whole lot of time).
Because CE is from purchase, situations engineered to force people to spend loads of CE... leaves a bad taste in my mouth. With all other places that use CE (e.g. selling CE for crowns, revive, shadow key), you always have the choice to not do it, or minimize the cost (sell CE only at a good price, limit energy revives to 2 times, split shadow key cost with a good team).
Imagine in UIMF the Twins start the fight both shooting laser first, sweeping from both sides, leaving all of the team no chance to avoid death and forcing at least one of you to revive. Would you consider it unfair and scream at OOO for being greedy?
Compare to the proposed HC mode, unless you are going to use Proto gear all the way, you are throwing a full set of 5* gears away, and probably trinkets too. All it takes is one lag spike, someone kicking your cable loose, or even SK servers hiccuping. Do the math and tell me how much CE is at stake?
Actually, i quite like what fradow said.
A hardcore mode, associated with your main account, where if you die, only your hardcore character gets reset. however you can get reved from other knights health still. Ie you would assign one of your 3 knights as 'hardcore'. no trades allowed to/from non hardcore characters, no missions. only arcade. recipies are only found at basil terminals. no auction house. CE is only used for crafting and for steroids.
you get points for each monster killed, relative to the depth. eg a depth 1 is worh 0.1, a devilite is worth 5 points, so killing it at depth 1 gives 0.5 points. killing it at depth 20 (worth 2.0), gives 10 points. Bosses give points based on the time taken to kill them. there is a global leaderboard, the leader gets a bound crown that can be worn on all characters on the account, plus a token that can be redeemed against a 'badass' accessory/item for each time the character stays at the top for a week. the crown is removed when the player drops from 1st place.
steroids: you use CE to give you a random med+ damage asi ctr etc status which lasts for x time. the amount of ce you pay grants you the status for longer. eg 1ce = 5 seconds of status.
however, i have to say the scariest thing about this is the lag monster. took me ages to do dauntless delver because id always get at least one disconnect, where when i return i have been killed :( maybe your score is scaled according to how good your connection is.
eg 5 bar, x1 multiplier, 1 bar x20 multiplier.
Youre missing the point!
Creating a HC knight would be 100% voulintary. Knights that werent HC would be "Grandfathered" in as non HC. The only way a player could go HC is make a knight HC @ creation to be HC 100% of the time.
Yes I believe there are alot of members in the SK community that have the time and would enjoy the challenge and the need for cooperative teamwork this would produce. It would also put more emphasis on playing your role correctly ( swordsman, gunnery/medic/support, bomber AoE damage/massCC.
Edit-
however, i have to say the scariest thing about this is the lag monster. took me ages to do dauntless delver because id always get at least one disconnect, where when i return i have been killed
I hear your concerns. And it would have to be done in a way that if one live knight makes it to the lift, the remaining however many dead or DC'd would not be penalized and brought to the next saftey/equip zone w/ 3 hearts per-usual. Also there would have to be no "leave party/goSolo" option because this would open up mechanics to either abuse/exploit the HC system or allow for the trolling of players.
~Luke
Please don't this, move it to Suggestions if you want more criticism.
LISTEN TO THE PLATYPUS
And I really can't see this having positive results in-game... It's just another source of artificial difficulty, and I don't know anyone who likes that.
Wyh suggest it if people dont even want to discuss it? jeasus christ /graveyard.
half the freeking topics on this page are a suggestion in one form or another Duke.
Next time you have something you want to get across I'm gunna get on you like that and be all like move it, noone wants it and F u too Dray.
1) Suggestions Forum
2) So, wait, you permanently lose any gear you had equipped?