Spiral Knights - This post is now irrelevant! Economy issue has been resolved~

This post is now irrelevant! Economy issue has been resolved~

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Wed, 05/16/2012 - 08:32

Kitty-Softpaws

Repetitive grinding is beyond boring & it's the biggest reason why the players & diablo 3 fans(WHO ARE NOW GONE FROM MY BEAUTIFUL BABY SPIRAL KNIGHTS, TYVM!) are feeling burnt & the need for new content. The arcade is sure as HELL OF FUN MY FRIENDS! It's funner in parties. Why do grinding sections of FSC to loose interest in SK because of the repetitive grinding when you can do a full plummet run from Tier 1 to Tier 3? Mmmm? What Kitty-Softpaws had in mind is that there were profit missions that where to be full plummet runs from Tier 1 to Tier 3 of a gate. You would have to pay 100 energy to do a full gate run from Tier 1 to Tier 3 which saves energy unlike doing the actual arcade run.

Gate Mission runs from Depth 1 to the Core, 100 energy will have to be used to do this mission. If you think about it, this is a great idea. It's about a 4 hour run but it won't be as boring as just lurking in FSC all the time for small profit & repetitive grinding that will make you dull out from SK.

Make this much for 100 energy: http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/560941734106767287/EF99C25973817C3902C...

It's time for change in this economy, Fehzor speaks the truth. I want to enjoy this game with both the game play & it's auction house. Right now, with these fees & these RIDICULOUS low priced mats, all we really have is WELFARE. Do I play AH? NEGATIVE MY GOOD SIRS & MA'AMS. The CE market will change, the mats in the AH/the AH itself will change, lots of things will change for sure. I as a player AM NOT HAPPY. AND I AM NOT ALONE, MY BIGGEST SUPPORTER & BENEFACTOR TO THE KITTY-SOFTPAWS COMMITTEE AGREES FOR CHANGE AS WELL. LET'S PUT THOSE FEATURED AUCTIONS TO MORE USE WITH MORE BIDDING ACTIVITY. THE PLAYERS ARE DIRT BROKE IN THIS GAME. ON AVERAGE, I CARRY AROUND WHAT? 10K - 30K? C'MON. PROFIT NEEDS TO GO UP, SPIRAL KNIGHTS IS A TIME CONSUMING GAME. VALUED ITEMS IN THE AUCTION HOUSE HAVE GONE DOWN DRAMATICALLY. SOMETHING WORTH 50K IS WORTH 20K DUE TO LOW SALES.

I AGREE: http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/560940860716257769/190E218D138AECF0001...
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/560940860716247789/3DAA0A6D6E07FA792E1... :FEHZOR'S VOICE SHALL BE HEARD

From the committee:
THIS GAME BELONGS TO THE PLAYERS, NOT TO NICK! WE WANT CHANGE!

~ This suggestion is approved by the political party of SK.

EDIT: The committee will be closing down/going our separate ways!

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 08:39

Erridunno

-1

This is a waste of time and there is no "Softpaws committee" so -1

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 08:42

Gabrielhud

"THIS GAME BELONGS TO THE

"THIS GAME BELONGS TO THE PLAYERS"

You're joking, right? Please, for the love of god, tell me you're joking.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 08:42

Damienfoxy

Umm... I... ... Would you

Umm... I... ... Would you rather have numerous patches, each with a new story bit, or one massive patch, with a huge part of the story, bound to keep you interested for at least a day or two?

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 08:59

Kitty-Softpaws

In seriousness, I do strike a

In seriousness, I do strike a point. Spiral Knights is a time consuming game. Time consuming + low profit = Not fun.

4 hours of making 14k crs in FSC = where did my day just go!???! Players have an interest span like a person who has ADHD. Do you think they would work hard for X amount of days to make the crowns that they want without loosing interest in SK? In honesty, boring-dullness kicks in immediately & next thing you know the player base is decreasing.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 10:49

Asukalan

"4 hours of making 14k crs in

"4 hours of making 14k crs in FSC"

You are doing it wrong. It takes less than 1 hour to do FSC run and you earn 10k every one (including tokens)

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 11:40

Bluebrawler

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Wed, 05/16/2012 - 12:05

Autofire

[]_()

I don't know if I should cheer, boo, laugh, or slap you, but I do know that some of this I can relate with. I personally have a hate for grinding, so I almost never do boss gates. I just get on some each day, and do a random gate of the arcade. The issue with this strategy is that you don't get many cr, at the price of having more fun. (Of course, that is important. Why else WOULD you play a game if it isn't for your entertainment?)

In some games, like Elsword, this doesn't matter if you don't get much money. Much of the equipment can't be obtained with money anyway, as it all comes from drops. Something like that wouldn't work here at all, because there aren't any classes to restrain the drops you can use. You have to get a majority of your equipment from the riches you obtain. In order to proceed at any pace like in some other games, you need to be able to obtain many, many crowns very quickly. The fastest point of obtaining equipment and proceeding through the game(said story) is 0-2*. From there, you need to make most of your gear. What does worry me is that they paced the crown gain to be similar to that of gaining currency in other games, while you can't proceed without money, rather than you can't get goodies without money.

Because I'm half-for and half-against, you get a +0.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 12:06

Autofire

Darn

Crappy double post. @_@

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 14:12

Kitty-Softpaws

Well this is just an idea,

Well this is just an idea, mine is in-perfect & hoping to see posts with better upgrades to the original post on here. Even if we did make more crowns, nothing would change. Just that we're using up more crowns than before lol. The value of a dollar in U.S.'s economy isn't going to be much of value in the up coming era for the future generations.

Cheetos used to cost 25c now they're worth 1.25$ in only 7 years. I just want my mats to be more valuable than 250 crs for a flame soul. 5* mats should not be so low.. & thus why i call the AH a welfare....

As a matter of fact, these missions have given a HUGE decrease in item sales/items prices on the AH. The economy is poor, the players are poor, EVERYONE & EVERYTHING IS POOR IN SPIRAL KNIGHTS. I AM JUST.... GRRRRRRRRRRR

So Three Rings is targeting the rich players basically because if you think about it, why would a featured auction at 300k crs OR ACTUALLY EVEN BETTER, 1million crs BE SET UP THERE FOR TO BE BIDDED UPON? SEE MY POINT PEOPLE?!? IS THREE RINGS MOCKING US THEN?! Y U DO THIS TO US....I THOUGHT YOU LOVED THE COMMUNITY NICK....

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 15:55

#10

Luguiru

Three four

I want to ignore all the excessively capitalized text but that would cut about half of the suggestion off.

You want an entire Clockworks run from the beginning of T1 all the way down to the core of the planet to only take a hundred energy. Any posts on your behalf regarding the energy system are now invalid.

You also want 100E to generate 22kCr. This would create massive inflation, adding at least 2kCr to the energy market and bringing CE prices back up to 9-10kCr.

Materials are low prices due to how common they are and how easy it is to obtain them. Note how shards are cheap.

Increasing average profit means increasing the amount of crowns circulating which means more inflation which means higher prices which means economic suicide.

Fehzor refers to increasing appeal to the Clockworks in those screenshots, not to murder the economy.

This game does not belong to a specific entity; it is property of the company which has created it and used by the community. It is not "owned" by either as both rely on each other for the game to function; without the company the game would not run, without the community the game would do nothing and be a waste of resources for the company.

Just because there is inflation outside the game does not mean there should be inflation inside the game. Derp.

Three Rings created expensive featured auctions as something to sink money into for players who have either been around long enough and have everything they want but their crown wallet is still fairly full as well as players who "pay to win" by throwing real money into the game to get what they want. This boils down to combat skill where the "pay to win" user realizes they should have learned how to play rather than jump right into T3 within minutes of starting the game for the first time.

Do not harass Three Rings for offering things to users who have accumulated wealth through honest play or buying their way in. What would you rather they do, hand out free money for everyone? No, that would ruin the economy. Yes, this game can be grind-esque due to low payouts; however, as a user you are not supposed to be able to pump out a substantially significant payout with minimal effort. The point is to play a few hours every day and slowly build up your equipment until you are satisfied with your arsenal. The accessories were a simple outlet to the users who continued to grind for wealth after obtaining the equipment sought to prevent money hoarding.

There is a difference between whining about personal wants and stabilizing existing mechanics.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 16:19

#11

Mzculet

:O you spoke against.....

:O YOU SPOKE AGAINST NICK! SHAME ON YOU :O

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 16:30

#12

Marvintheandroid

Stop whining

You make that little money doing FSC? You sir, truly have failed as a knight.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 16:46

#13

Kitty-Softpaws

@ Luguiru
First post I didn't TL;DR on the forums & actually, I'm already aware of some of these things. Mmmm.. okay tho I'm feeling convinced here. I don't mind it that much. The game play is amazingly good for Spiral Knights, not sure how I can play the AH with all these restrictions. I was able to in the past but I just lost appeal to playing AH when things just undersell completely now & I'm wagering money on the table just to either loose it or gain 3k crs more. I can understand why there wasn't an Auction House in the past for SK since Three Rings might have never added it to the game if it wasn't for the requests of the players.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 18:34

#14

Marvintheandroid

Yay!

The committee of whiners is disbanded? Hooray!

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 18:52

#15

Draycos

The amount of bitterness and

The amount of bitterness and hatred some people exhibit on these forums as opposed to giving their criticism and leaving at as that with nothing more make me want to stab something.

Or kick buses of kittens and puppies.

...into other buses of kittens and puppies.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:08

#16

Luguiru

Kicking buses of kittens and puppies

Considering how large buses are I see nothing wrong with this.

Shall I continue to explain what is wrong with this thread, shall someone else tend to it, or are we done here?

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:36

#17

Draycos

I don't mean you shouldn't

I don't mean you shouldn't criticize and say why something is wrong, I'm not pointing fingers, I'm saying that generally when people give 'constructive' criticism here they just have to add a tinge of rude or mean to their post, and I'm sick of seeing it in both the old and the new forum-goers.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:33

#18

Kitty-Softpaws

I'm just saying how I feel

I'm just saying how I feel tho.

Repetitive grinding is the only way to profit unless you are selling CE. I would just like better alternatives than doing clockwork boss stratum runs since I do not sell CE. The AH just does not appeal to me with the limited ways I'll be able to profit..

"I'm going to get on Spiral Knights today BUT only to make profit! I'm not feeling like gaming but I do want to make crowns since It's how I am feeling right now. ERR...MMMMM... how can I make crowns? OH RIGHT... a clockwork run....... TT

The best payout comes from Firestorm Citadel... mmmm.... TT

FSC... again.... I did it yesterday... & the day before yesterday.... did it 3 times last Friday... and another of FSC I am seeing.... TT

..............................

/log off"

But Spiral Knights is different, your post made me realize that Luigi. It's a bit complicated for other players to understand this. The SK community is different, just like all other games & their communities. Those who have stayed in those games tolerate & like the way it works. So I can see why not many people rant about the game's economy mechanics like I do.

Now you see here my friend, crown inflation CAN be a good thing. It'll keep players busy & do other things. What I mean is, the only thing we can do in Spiral Knights are clockwork runs. What I enjoy about other games that have auction houses is making money. When it comes to gaming, the players want two things. If the fees stays the same/removed fees than crown inflation might be good for SK.

1. Game play has to be awesome.
2. Making money.

These two things are the terms of fun for gaming like mmos. People are always rushing to end-game content. Once at end-game, there is nothing else to do but play money-farming. If money-farming was better to do in Spiral Knights than just repeating Firestorm Citadel, I'm sure that players wouldn't be leaving the game & that the complaints of new content wouldn't be so high/players getting angry because of these accessories updates.

We would be FINE with etc patches IF THE GAME LET US FARM MONEY BETTER THAN JUST REPEATING A STRATUM(sorry that i talk in caps, it's a personal habit that i cannot control unless in-game)! But as an F2P game & due to balancing the market for CE, my solution seems invalid & it is why I agree with the -1s(as well as SK was designed to be different than other mmos in which it's to be a game where you slowly progress).

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:19

#19

Draycos

I didn't really mean you, I

I didn't really mean you, I honestly thought you were using cruise control for cool on purpose (caps lock) and the formal-ish stuff in a humorous way. I personally agree that there should be some incentive to play the levels that have more variety; after how much I've run FSC the only thing I ever find enjoyable is the fight with Vanaderp and even then I think it's getting a bit redundant.

And wait a minute, I only think I mentioned my steam username to you once or twice... good memory, or did I friend you on Steam when I wasn't paying attention?

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:35

#20

Kitty-Softpaws

Draycos you didn't tell me

Draycos you didn't tell me your steam but you can look me up! I go by the name Viruu & use this same icon I have on here in the forums on Steam.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:52

#21

Draycos

Ohhh, I get it now, you meant

Ohhh, I get it now, you meant 'Luigi' as in Luguiru. My steam name is, actually, Luigi. ._______.

I sent you an invite.

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