Increase the cost to craft, in exchange, a CE price cap of 6400.

We see this thread. Every single month. Relax. There will be a CE promo soon, which will drop CE to 6.5k or so, and the cycle will continue.

Isn't it wonderful?

The players who pay with real money are making a fortune! I bet that if we try we can break 8K!

Its the way the game is designed. Without intervention, CE prices trend up and up and up. (The Cap to this? IDK, OOO always intervenes). Once CE gets to around 7200, jumping up to 7.4 or 7.5 in bits and spurts, is around the same time OOO puts out a promo of one sort or another.

At this point, the market is ripe for people to want to purchase CE, purchasing CE is much more desirable when the cost (in crowns) seems excessively high. Its not greedy, or evil, or anything like that. Its just a workable business model to allow P2Ps to purchase CE when its most advantageous, and allow F2Ps to continue to live in this world.

--yes it gets tough for F2Ps when the market is at its high points, but thats the "price" they pay for their "Free-loader" mentality. Its a nice balance in which everyone wins. There are minor sacrifices for all parties.

P2Ps, sacrifice profit at the end of a promo, or when CE is really cheap. Their CE purchased with real money isn't as valuable.
F2ps, sacrifice profit and play time, and suffer when the CE is at the expensive point.
OOO, sacrifices some short term profits (as P2Ps don't want to open wallets when they'd get 1k crowns less per 100 ce), and they sacrifice customer satisfaction of F2Ps during the high points.

Its a balance. And not a perfect system. But it suffices.

p.s. I'd simply vote for OOO to re-run their the explorer pack for 2.95. Its a good enough price on CE. It gives a good incentive players liked--free elevator fees. They get an item, sniped hats--lol. And it gives out a silver key, enticing folks to ACTUALLY OPEN LOCKBOXES, as well as enticing players to go into clockworks to get lockboxes. And lastly, it'd feel like a CE balance of a promo, rather than a shameless cash grab of a promo.

EDIT: Rommil had it better.

Damien, please do.

I'm very serious. People still can't get it engraved in gold into their memory that it goes like this every month; so please, make it 12k NOW.
Do it. I'm waiting.

I'm sick and tired of these threads, as if it wasn't bad enough with the recent secrecy and bad patches and stuff, now we'll never hear the end of "omg CE is too high I dont get it qq" for the next 2 weeks.

So screw everyone else, drive it past 8k.

"Im getting real pissed now."
Nearly everyone is on the forums.

"ce prices are 7.2k"
Perfect. Btw I can make that in 2 hours. off 80 mist maximum

"if we going at this rate, it might even go up to 8k, who knows?"
I'll love the people that do this for me.

"what is OOO gonna do about this. now noobs cant even level up their gears!"
They just gave a ton of new content designed FOR newbies. And considering a lot of people whine about CE being too high, I don't think they deserve
any of it.
Also 4 words
WAIT TILL CE PROMO

"Do something with market or raise the overall cr outcome"
FYI supply and demand AGAIN. More cr, people profit, CE sellers raise prce to force them to break even.

"Im really getting sick and tired of this... "
We all are, so why did you make this thread like the billions of other ragers that were shot down because we told them it would stabilize and IT DID.

"there is not a single new event going on."
YOU DON'T SAY. Because I have yet to see ANYONE on the forums say anything about wanting new content! /sarcasm

We've been through this 100000000000000000000000 times.

CE will go back to normal when the next promo/new content comes.

Until then have fun playing Diablo 3 while we profit off the high prices.

Sorry if I'm being real harsh, but I'm fed up with this nonsense the past weeks...

Amid all the complaints about heat/crowns rebalancing.

Even if some of our favorite level's get a nerf, and some of our least favorite get a buff, its all rather positive. [actually, i find heat nerf-ing to be a bit annoying, no reason to take down my heat :) i only play to heat stuff up =O]

But its overall a very good positive. They are serving three great functions here:

#1. They are encouraging us to engage in a wider variety of activities.
#2. They are ALLOWING newer players to do the same. The struggling middlen player couldn't afford to do RT for opportunity cost of not doing JK. Just by doing the Roarmulus mission, you were basically being charged X,XXX crowns (the amount you gave up by not doing JK).
#3. Lower crown outputs certainly are not awesome. But the truth is, its all relative. And in the end, lower crown outputs are better for OOO, and better for YOU!!!!

But why, Rommil? How can this be?
Long-term perspective. Lower crown outputs are good for all. You see this vicious cycle that happens on a monthly or bi-weekly basis? This same one we are discussing now?! Crown outputs is a large reason as to why this happens. Since you have always been able to earn more than the cost of 100 ce on less than 100 me [T2 and up], technically there is an infinite dump of crowns into the market. An infinite dump of crowns (limited only by time constraints on an individual level, but viable for a theoretical nearly infinite number of players) is the reason why we see this constant upward creeping/racing of CE costs.

So while short-term, crown decreases seems greedy and bad. And, it is in the short-term. Especially as we see these implemented while CE costs are high. OMG!!! THIS HURTS SOOOO BAD. But again, long-term, its going to help. Your profit % vs CE is going to remain the same, in the grand scheme of things, because CE will now tend to creep up, rather than race up.

1. Less crowns :(
2. CE promo **varied boos and hisses, but happy of the overall affect. CE goes back down to 62-6300 crowns :)
3. Now we have a new world, where CE is low again, and crown outputs are lower!!!
4. Result? The same process will happen ALL OVER AGAIN!. But now, b/c those infinite crowns are trickling in slower, the CE creep will be much more subtle, and this process will take place over the course of 2-3 months (hopefully) rather than 2-3 wks.

This is good because:
CE prices will be more constant.
The never-ending upward trend will continue, so the business model is in tact.
the process will take longer, so it will not hurt as much.
OOO will not be forced to run nearly as many promos. (we'd be fools to think OOO doesn't see the animosity that "too many" promos have caused. Yet, its the only answer they have to employ to lower prices. By making the process a slower cycle, they can release promos at a slower rate).
Theoretically, this opens up more time to focus on content.

tl;dr.
Crown nerfs will ultimately leave the CE goes up, promo brings it back in check model in place. But it will slow down the process drawing it out over a longer time period. CE will appear to be more consistent, and promo's can be spread out further. This allows for better promos, a more harmonious community, and ultimately, even with lowered crown output, your profit % will remain roughly the same per run, as CE will stay lower longer following promos.

What? Why does rom get the friggen cookie?!?

Actually, lower crown output is bad. This means it's more expensive to use Punch and Vise, craft, and other things. But balancing crown output does give us more leeway in playing different levels.

Last time the ce price was at 8k, I distanced myself from the game. I still wasn't comfortable with FSC yet, and t3 runs took a long time as well. With the current crown drop rate, I'd prefer the price stay below 7.5k.

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/2726

^My plan worked

Evil laugh

YAY! *covets* my preciouuuussssssss....*suddenly scurries off on hands and feet with the cookie in my mouth*

I think the CE prices depend on the ratio of F2P to P2P players (tautology?). If we simplify the market, F2Pers supply crowns while P2Pers supply CE. If there are more P2Pers, there will be more CE on the market (I don't know since I'm not a P2Per myself, but do you guys really expect to use all the CE you bought? How many hours would that take? You put at least some of it into the market right?) and hence prices will drop. At the current trend, however, OOO is adding content for new players (crash landing site, T1 equipment), who are probably going to be F2P. Hence the trend is that crown supplies will hike up, hence devaluing it. Whenever OOO releases a CE promo, CE supplies increase and that is why the price drops. For a long term solution, however, I think that OOO should focus more on converting current F2Pers to P2Pers. In my humble opinion, current F2Pers have a higher chance of turning P2P than the new players. Why? Well I think that current players have proven to show dedication in the game, while new players are more of a gamble. If my theory is correct, it will also be more profitable for OOO to focus on current players! Because of the new crash landing site, people will be easier drawn into the game. What determines if they would pay or not is the game's "replayability". You wouldn't want to buy a game that only lasts an hour would you? In the case of online games, replayability lies in new content. If a player (current or new) sees that SK has good replayability, then I'm sure he/she would consider turning P2P. With more P2Pers, CE supplies would increase and its price in crown decreases. Everybody wins! (Until lower tier players move up and get higher buying power and the prices increase I suppose. We're a system in equilibrium, CE prices can never stay constant) Personally, I would love to pay for the Crimson Order expansion, but I don't have a credit card yet.

TL,DR: Uh... I forgot. My bad
@OOO: If you guys are developing new content, then I fully apologize for this comment. Keep up the good work! (I'm sure comments like mine could be decreased just by a confirmation of developing new content, or a hint, y'know, like the one Nick posted about AP/Sentenza split damage change.

-Gone-

The deed has been done my dark lord...

You have gone too far.

Its not my fault lol, Damien did it.

I live to serve the dark lord asukalan. Their wish is my command.

(cackles like a maniac)