Where does graviton technology originate from?
Sat, 05/19/2012 - 17:01
So I noticed that most items say things like-
"Combining the principles of the Skylark's engines with the technology powering the Blast Furnace produced this brutal blade, which can ignite even the most flame-retardant materials at a distance. "
And are then sold in the hall of heroes. This would mean that the Spiral Order has researched the blast furnace, and then created the technology for combuster. In other occasions, the technology comes from gremlins, and then uses the Spiral Order's technology... these items are only created for the spiral order's highest people, and thus are not sold in the Hall of Heroes-
"A cutting-edge handgun intended for use only by the Spiral Order's best and brightest. Pulsar shots become more powerful the further they travel. "
And then there are other items that were created by monsters, like Triglav, and are only sold by krogmo, and still other items like divine avenger that entirely came from somewhere else.... these must have been found as recipes by the strangers, and are still a secret to the spiral order. Amongst these however, is the graviton vortex. The gremlins obviously either researched it and mimicked it with the electron vortex which krogmo must have found.
But the graviton vortex is different from the sealed sword and other items in that it doesn't come from anywhere. Theoretically, the sealed sword/antigua must have been found in the clockworks by the spiral order.... who then wanted to give them out to knights.
There were no original graviton bombs left that the spiral order has found to our knowledge, and there are no enemies left capable of using them, which means that either the graviton recipe came in when cradle was formed, or that the graviton recipe came in with a civilization that has fallen.
Sat, 05/19/2012 - 17:06
#2
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http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Graviton_Charge
"A small explosive charge with mysterious origins. It is capable of generating a vortex of crushing gravity."
They found it in a hole in the ground.
Then they upgraded it randomly, forgetting to take notes.
Or the obvious answer: Boswick.
Sat, 05/19/2012 - 17:24
#3
Ah yes, Boswick is the origin
Ah yes, Boswick is the origin of the graviton technology! How did I not see it before!
Sat, 05/19/2012 - 17:25
#4
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You left you glasses at my house. That's how.
Sat, 05/19/2012 - 17:28
#5
It came from
Rommilionare. You see, crowns and ce actually are gravitationally pulled into rommil. Thus the graviton vortex was created by giving a bomb that harnessed the gravitational pull of CE. You may not know this, but all mobs are encoded with 99,999,999 ce so that they can live in the clockworks infinitely. By coding the bomb to gravitate the largest quantity coefficients of CE to it's natural endpoint (rommil), only mobs are effected.
Sat, 05/19/2012 - 17:32
#6
@Pawn
I'm am going to find a way to funnel all that CE into my energy tanks.
MARK MY WORDS!!
Sat, 05/19/2012 - 17:35
#7
Ok...
But the ink's not sticking. Mind if I scratch it in?
Sat, 05/19/2012 - 17:42
#8
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I found one at the Ironclaw Munitions Factory....
Just sayin!
Sat, 05/19/2012 - 18:06
#9
SUNSHAAAAAAAAARDS
@Trae: What would they have put it in, I wonder... hopefully not Vortex Twins!
And Pawn's theory may be disproven by Lockdown. It sucks up players with variable amounts of CE (and is quite good for toasting them in Furnace).
Sat, 05/19/2012 - 21:16
#10
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I'ma go out on a limb and say it was an invention of the Crimson Order.
If you look at the Dark Retribution Mechanics, which have a "vortex-like" component to the orbs, you can see some basic similarities.
Plus, Crimson Order is rather mysterious, so "mysterious origins" of graviton makes sense.
Sat, 05/19/2012 - 21:21
#11
Basil adds the flavor text.
The strangers produced them from the many folds of their cloaks.
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 00:32
#12
I've known people to find
I've known people to find them in places other not relating to gremlins, and it doesn't say anything about them being gremlin like... And why would the gremlins make the electron vortex if they had the graviton vortex?
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 12:47
#13
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Crimson Order gets Graviton, Standard Gremlin Soldier gets Electron
Mainly cause Gravi is shadow, so it can be used against other Gremlins more efficiently. Why do you think Seerus carries a DR around?
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:08
#14
My bro found one in a
My bro found one in a treasure vault once.
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:19
#15
-_-
How about it was from the same origins as the dark city area. It is a aprarently a advanced city now abandoned.
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 01:14
#16
But... but...
Atrumvindex... that would make TOO MUCH SENSE!!!
I wanted to start selling tin foil hats for a dollar on forums... now I no make profit...
Because I know you'll debase my claims by making sense :P
Anyway, Graviton tech of any form starts by first observing the graviton... something we as of yet, have been incapable of doing (don't mean theories aren't out about it)... then... we go from there. :P
Do think it was stolen from dark city though, and honestly, don't see our knights capable of thinking up a way to manufacture them. I mean, voltaic tempest is out and we still haven't powered the skylark...
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 12:25
#17
Graviton Line of Explosives
Taking into consideration that the Gravi-B description contains the words "this bomb utilizes technology that the Spiral Order does not fully understand.", I can safely assume that we shall never discover how the hell this thing works exactly.
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However, we can build a working hypothesis based on the materials used in the recipe(s).
Observe:
We can see that Dark Shards, Ecto Drops, Forbidden Fruits and Phials of Phear are all present in the creation of all three Gravitons.
As well as that the quantities of each material increase proportionally to the power of the Graviton Explosive.
Although the inclusion of extra materials in the latter two iterations of the Graviton Explosives (The materials Mug of Misery and Shadow Steel to be exact) is a bit puzzling.
But first of all, let us examine the materials themselves in more detail, shall we?
- Dark Shards
Obviously these things are used to power the Graviton Explosive, and more Shards = more power. Also the fact that these things are made from Dark Matter, a mineral known for containing the "essences of both chaos and nothingness" is probably what gives the Graviton is Vortex ability. - Ecto Drops
These pieces of gelatinous goo give off an aura of discomfort via terror. No idea on what use they could have on controlling/generating the vortex. - Forbidden Fruits
And another material which seems to serve no purpose. For gods sake its a goddamn snack! The only explanation would be if the eye on latter iteration got hungry.
[Note: Offer the Eye on a Graviton Bomb/Vortex a Forbidden Fruit. Record results.] - Phials of Phear
The Phearium contained in the vial - not the vial itself - could have some effect on the vortex generated. Although due to the very nature of Phearium (it's phear-causing behaviour to be exact) it is very hard to study.
[Note: Study Phearium. Ask Bosco to "help". He appears dull enough to be immune to phear. Seriously though, how long does it take someone to reapir a Mechaknight?! Just replace the broken parts then hit it with 5 units of Energy.]
Of course, the other materials just seem to be there for kicks. Well, kicks and the fact they both radiate evil like Hahn radiates arrogance. Dear, sweet Lord! So much arrogance in just one person. How is that even possible?!
Conclusion
We will have no idea how these things work unless we expend a large amount of time and resources into the reverse-engineering of many Gravitons.
In short: Not Worth It!
Just accept that wizards do it. It'll make everything easier.
Reccomendation
If you wanted, you could glue several Gravitons together and use it as an artificial blackhole for a short while. Other than that, I've got nothing.
{{Report created by Ghret: Unofficial Scientist/Explorer of the Clockworks by unofficial order of Feron}}
Mon, 05/21/2012 - 13:21
#18
Helping out a bit... sorta...
As a part-time bomber, I like to tinker a bit with my toys, and to help complete Ghret analysis, I can state that:
- Ecto drops and Forbidden Fruits: They are organic materials, so it makes sense they make the "Eye" part of the G-Bomb.
- Phials of Phear: Ceramic materials imbued in dark related stuff. Ideal to create this sort of weapon.
- Mug of Misery: As it seems to be an even more powerful drink, the Mug and the Misery itself makes a better encasement AND a power source, fundamental to upgrading the weapon.
- Shadow Steel: It is Shadow Steel! The most coveted material by Devilites, an unholy material that makes up thinks as the Gran Faust! It is PERFECT to use as an improvement. We still don't know if the Graviton Vortex will end the universe, though.
Most likely it would be easy to research it, though for that we would have to froze ourselves into place with a Freezing Vaporizer line bomb or similar while at it... it is too annoying trying to analyze the explosion!
I thought it was just techno-babble.