Spiral Knights - Perfect bomber gear?

Perfect bomber gear?

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Wed, 05/30/2012 - 13:37

Qwote

I am a bomber and I currently have the following loadout for FSC--

Armor: Mad Bomber Helm (Fire med); Volcanic Demo Suit
Bombs: Radiant Sun Shards (Construct low); Dark Briar Barrage; Venom Veiler; Electron Vortex
Trinkets: Elite Boom Module; Dual Heart Pendant

I was originally going for the Mad Bomber set with fire med+ UVs, but then I found out about the Mercurial's set bonus of medium movement speed.
For FSC, the loadout with the Mercurial set would be--

Armor: Mercurial Demo Helm(Fire med+) [Got; heating 4*]; Mercurial Demo suit(Fire med+)[Got; Fire high and heated]
Bombs: Radiant Sun Shards (CTR VH) [Got]; Dark Briar Barrage (CTR VH) [Got]; Venom Veiler (CTR VH); Electron Vortex (CTR VH) [Got]
Trinkets: Elite Boom Module [Got]; Elite Boom Module [Got]

Correct?

It would be a long time to get that loadout, but I need to make a decision--
Craft the 2* demo armor until I get fire med+ and roll the four bombs
OR
Roll the demo armor and craft the 4 bombs until I get CTR VH on them?
With the current CE market, crafting a 2* gear 5 times would be the same as rolling for 1 UV.
The chance of crafting a bomb or armor with a UV is about 1 out of 10, while rolling is... 1 out of 1.
I also have spare mist to craft with per day.
...Someone do the math please. I'm not good with logic.

If I were to try to get CTR VH on every bomb (10), would I be better off buying them from the Auction House?

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 13:52

Nordlead

You can buy armor with Fire

You can buy armor with Fire Med typically for ~500ce or so (haven't checked in a while). I have a feeling that buying your Fire Med's will be much cheaper than trying to roll one. Technically mist crafting will be cheaper, but it would take much longer than I'm willing to wait (granted I do mist craft, but have bought UVs when tired of waiting for the right one).

I mean, if I can buy a full set (2*) for 1kce (2x fire med) that is the same as 3-4 rolls. You aren't going to roll 2x Fire Med within 4 rolls (unless you are super lucky)

As for CTR VH that will cost a fortune either way and I have no real knowledge on the going rate.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 15:16

Kon-Vodka

No, just go very mad

the mercurial demo set is only good for pvp for the shock resistance and the speed bonus but it don´t give any ctr
in pvp you get ctr from the recon class but for pve is not so good, the damage bonus is low. instead of triying to get a lot of VH uvs, is better just use some Bomb Focus Module x2 and the problem with the ctr is solved
when you use a suit with speed bonus the slow walk bombs get more usefull considerate make a BaB, vortex, or other "not so usefull" bombs because they will work way better
anyway if you want my opinion make first a volcanic demo set with shock med on each piece and then a mad set with fire/shock med resistance on each part, this way you can complement the suits to replace the status weakness of the mad or be resistant or no weak to shock, the fire in FSC is not a problem when you learn to dodge properly the fire in the floor and the zombis will never breath on you because that attack is interrupted with the damage and you gonna hit all the zombis near you constantly (with rss may no be as I said but DBB make the diferense, i´m talking of the area attack :P)

also i have a beautiful spiral demo helm with fire VH and curse medium unequipped i'm open to offers (that doesn´t mean i gonna trade it easy)

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 15:52

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@Nordlead - So I should buy the armor and roll the bombs?
@Kon-Vodka - ...I don't play LockDown.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 16:10

Kon-Vodka

give me a day or less

Qwote ok, i´m a demo but i dont have the mercurial let me ask to some guys who have it and tell you they opinion of it
why you dont ask here? "The Elite Bomber Thread" there are experienced who can give you the better responses

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 00:53

Coatl

Mercurial demo suit is the

Mercurial demo suit is the optimal bomber gear. Sure, it takes some CTR VH to maximize your potential, but this isn't really necessary.
Mercurial has added movement speed which helps with bomb placement along with shock resist which is also good and has better defenses than mad bomber. Since you are using Barriage and sun shards I recommend having mercurial.

Though to be honest you don't need VH ctr on all your bombs. Maybe get CTR trinkets, one or two. If you get just one you will already be at VH, and then you can settle for med CTR on your bombs and maybe get a trinket to boost the dmg to 4/6.

The "perfect" bomb gear would be mercurial with VH Ctr bombs and two dmg trinkets.
Mad bomber is really like a glass cannon, and mercurial is more forgiving of mistakes in pve.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 03:49

Paweu

As someone who actually owns

As someone who actually owns the merc demo set I can tell you that the speed increase is so small that you won't actually notice it unless you pay attention or run in long hallways along your party. Its like Kon-Vodka said, its only good for Lockdown recons. Even Bombtastic is better in the long run. Waste of CE.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 11:54

Kon-Vodka

im here again

ok so, as Paweu said the speed bonus is small you don´t gonna see it generally unless you are using slow walking bombs as vortexes BaB and irontech. anyway that will be the case if you have already other better bombs and just wanna colect all of them because since i remember nitro is way better than irontech and BaB and get a expensive set (to get the key, use CE in SL resurecting and crafts. right now the CE is reaching 8k) for only the vortex is not the best thing to do.

i´m saying this because you said that you don´t do pvp and wanted for pve, so let me tell you....
a good mad bomber is untouchable, placing bombs constantly and kitting don´t gonna let you catch the damage or status stronger against the mad suit, the crt reduction is good and the damage let you kill "tha stuff" placing less bombs and thats faster than run faster placing more bombs wich take more time to charge (im talking about use it without ctr trinkets or VH uvs) if you wanna spend on some good uvs try to put a shock med or more on the mad suit and helm, with fire med you are fine.
always get the status trinkets is easier than the krogmo trinkets so if you can get shock med on each part of the mad you gonna remove the only real weakness of the set (the fire hurt but dont interrupt the ctr as much like shock, so...)
since punch was fixed, once you get a decent shock resistance on the helm or suit you can roll to put a second uv against fire, anyway if you dont wanna spend a shiton of cr you can allways do one mad set resistant to shock and other set resistant to fire
also for getting UVs on bombs the ctr is good if you dont wanna use a demo set, but a creature proper dammage let you do a specific damage per weakness type like a DBB with UV against wolver or fiends (i will prefer a DBB or RSS with VH against fiend using a demo set instead of a VH ctr with no damage bonus)

in my experience with the mad on FSC the fire isn´t a problem, the problem sometimes was the shocking farts of the trollyans and the lulz pushing the zombis outside of the radius of the bombs, main reason to use VT and nitro, with VT they can´t push them and the nitro give me two benefits; one is use it as DBB because if the creatures are shocked the nitro dont give a push... and two show to the little swordis how it fell when they take the creatures of my range attack
also remember that the quicksilver set give you the same bonus basically and piercing defense (if you gonna use ctr trinkets a better defense against damage type is always good)

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 12:23

Kon-Vodka

also, for PvE MAD>mercurial - for pvp mad<Mercurial

you said;
With the current CE market, crafting a 2* gear 5 times would be the same as rolling for 1 UV.
The chance of crafting a bomb or armor with a UV is about 1 out of 10, while rolling is... 1 out of 1.
I also have spare mist to craft with per day.
--the best thing to do is do a alternative account and put some money on your main acount to get the premium status and have two separated mist on each acount, then you use the alternative acount to make 2 crafts of 2* stuff per day and do it intill you get something simmilar to what you want
-this way takes more time, but is practically free to do and you can sell the stuff whitout uvs for some low currency
-paying 20k for each uv roll and knowing the fact that punch is not a gremlin but instead is a troll and gonna give you things like "construct low on the DBB" or "fiend low in the graviton vortex"for 20k.... (i mean, cammon...!) is a very expensive way to get the uvs... i know people who paid 2000k to get a asi high on ther GF, is not different for the bombs and it dosent mean it take less time to do it paying for the uvs is a "money>time" ecuation

tl dr above;
(more damage you do = less bombs to put) + (less time placing = faster kills = less time taking damage) = MAD
more time to place + less damage = mercurial (=use a shiton to get VH UVs and Trinkets for damage or use ctr Trinkets and still do less damage)

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 13:16

Coatl

This guy wants the PERFECT

This guy wants the PERFECT bomber gear. You can't have maximum bomb damage without Mercurial or bombastic, and since mercurial has the useful shock resist Mercurial would be the optimal choice. The speed is noticable when placing bombs, not really while running.

How is mercurial a waste of CE when the only way to be the perfect bomber (6/6 CTR 6/6 Bomb dmg ) is to have mercurial or bombastic?

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 13:28

#10

Bopp

I missed something here

"You can't have maximum bomb damage without Mercurial or bombastic"

The following armor/trinket setups give you Maximum! in both damage bonus and CTR:
* Mad Bomber, Bombastic, CTR trinket, damage trinket
* Mad Bomber, Volcanic, damage trinket, damage trinket
So you definitely don't need to get Mercurial or Bombastic. Or were you talking about armor, without using trinkets? That doesn't work, does it? I don't get it.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 14:57

#11

Kon-Vodka

don´t know if troll or just...

@Coatl, if you are trying to help then get some info before comment... you are just so wrong i don´t even...
it just...
ok -"You can't have maximum bomb damage without Mercurial or bombastic"-merc set only give low damage per part so the full set only gives medium damage.
-"The speed is noticable when placing bombs, not really while running"- only for the slow walking bombs...
-"This guy wants the PERFECT bomber gear. You can't have maximum bomb damage without Mercurial or bombastic"- mad set gives medium damage per part (only the helm gives the same damage bonus of the mercurial set) thats your first error, the mad and bombastic gives twice damage.
your second error is damage per second... no ctr means les damage per second and more time walking to charge, it dosen´t matter if you walk faster it takes you more time anyway
the perfect bomber gear will be a mad set with VH uv of shock and two Elite Boom Module to make the maximun damage and if he want a specific damage against specific family per damage type bomb. additionally VH resistance to fire and shadow
the mercurial is not a bad set but for pure bombers on pve it isn't the best thing, mercurial is good for hybrid bombers

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 17:34

#12

Aquajag

Full Mad Bomber, Elite Boom,

Full Mad Bomber, Elite Boom, Penta heart pendent. That's my gear in FSC. Then the bombs, but I usually take a shiver so i can do something useful with Vana. If there's another shiver, I'll take venom. I don't ever take DBB, I take nitro, and then only if solo. I find Nitro's crowd control is more useful in killing trojans when swarmed by zombies than the bonus on the DBB is for the damage.

I am not in the mood to read all the text above, so if this has been said, I apologize. But here's my opinion on your question: you are asking what the best setup is, but then offer a reasonably attainable setup, compared to a ridiculously hard to get setup. Sure, not hard, if you spend money buying what you want. But then you have to suffer through shadow lairs to get it. So, we're talking a lot more CE than just getting basic gear. I'd say, get the basic gear, then if you are really suffering with the mad bomber penalties, starting rolling UV's on it until you get fire resist. With the penta heart pendant, you should have too hard a time living until you find your first vita pod.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:04

#13

Juances

"both sets only give low damage per part so each full set only gives medium damage."
"mad set gives medium damage per part (only the helm gives the same damage bonus of the mercurial or bombastic set) thats your first error, the mad gives twice damage."

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Bombastic_Demo_Helm
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Bombastic_Demo_Suit

Mad bomber may save you from seeking CTR UVs, but the defense is far from being 'perfect'. It's the cheapest and fastest way to become an aggresive bomber without resorting to UVs and trinkets, but thats not what's being discussed here.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:07

#14

Aquajag

@Kon-Vodka

Still wrong. You don't need two Elite boom module's on a mad bomber set to get max damage. The Mad Bomber set on it's own gives CTR VH and Damage VH. So you only need one elite boom (Damage Med) to get Damage Max!. I know, this is the setup I use.

I've also just started using a full bombastic demo set, just for LockDown. Bombastic does not give Damage Low for each piece, it gives Damage Med. You're using old information. A full Bombastic set gives Damage VH (just like Mad Bomber), a full Merc Demo does not, I believe both pieces on that are Damage Low so your total is Damage Med.

If you're looking for the cheapest way to get the most bang, Mad Bomber set is the best route. That's why it has such horrible pentalties, to balance out the fact that the bonuses are FREAKING AWESOME. You can get Max CTR, max Damage, with one trinket and any fully heated bomb. Beautiful I tell you. If you are terrified of the penalties, swap out one piece for a piece of either Volcanic or Bombastic. Then add a trinket (either damage or CTR, depending on which you chose). Good to go.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 15:24

#15

Kon-Ron

as Aquajag and said obtain the mercurial not only is hard but it cost a lot more than a normal set {800x2 to craft + 1800 of the key + 500 for revives (more or less depends of the team) = 3900 CE} and then spend a lot to get UVs, over 1kk per bomb

my set for FSC is;
volcanic demo suit - with shock med
mad yelm - fire med
combuster(to knockback monsters away) or argent peacemaker
shiver or shock
RSS or DBB
owlite or crest
no Trinkets, i don´t need them
the rss make almost all the job it hits over 250 per x8 shard and can do tons of damage. but if i have lag or im playing with noobs the i use more the shiver or the voltaic tempest for controll

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 17:32

#16

Qwote

Man, word wall of huge proportions above.

Alright let's clear some things up.

Kon-Vodka: @Coatl, if you are trying to help...
-"You can't have maximum bomb damage without Mercurial or bombastic"-merc set only give low damage per part so the full set only gives medium damage.
-"This guy wants the PERFECT bomber gear. You can't have maximum bomb damage without Mercurial or bombastic"- mad set gives medium damage per part (only the helm gives the same damage bonus of the mercurial set) thats your first error, the mad and bombastic gives twice damage.
Aquajag: ...Sure, not hard, if you spend money buying what you want. But then you have to suffer through shadow lairs to get it. So, we're talking a lot more CE then just getting basic gear.
...a full Merc Demo does not, I believe both pieces on that are Damage Low so your total is Damage Med.
If you're looking for the cheapest way to get the most bang, Mad Bomber set is the best route. That's why it has such horrible pentalties, to balance out the fact that the bonuses are FREAKING AWESOME. You can get Max CTR, max Damage, with one trinket and any fully heated bomb.

--The current equipment I have is good enough, but I just want the extra movement speed.
--That is true, the Mercurial set only gives a damage bonus of Medium, but I have 2 useless trinket slots to back it up, right?
--I already have a 4* Demo Suit with a UV of fire high and the SL material that is needed to make it (Thanks to RWS) and is currently waiting for a fire med+ Demo Helm to show up in my Spiral Knights life. The next time I get invited to a SL, I'm going to craft them both to the Mercurial set.
--Not a lot of bombers go for the Mercurial set because of it's "bad bonus". I want to be a unique bomber.
--As for the CE, I have already saved up for 1600 CE for crafting the set.

(Man these HTML commands are fun to use.)

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 17:40

#17

Aquajag

Well, unique? Go for it.

Well, unique? Go for it. Haven't seen many merc bombers, just a few. But, thought you were going for perfect. Obviously we are having a hard time agreeing what "perfect" would be in this case. The Elite Bomber Guide in the wiki is a great place for advice on pretty much any issue of bombing.

As for the trinket slots being wasted... If you go Mad bomber, two +6 heart pendants is a wonderful boost! You'd be CTR max Damage VH, and have a massive bonus of health (a +12 vitapod basically, even in T2). Even if you catch on fire in FSC right at the beginning, you won't burn to death just from that. On the other hand if you go Merc Demo, you can get CTR trinkets while you hunt for CTR bombs.

Personally I love the Mad Bomber set. I have seen other people use bombs without it, and I feel much more useful than they look. Things die much faster when the RSS has max damage boost and is cranking out about 100 more damage per shard than the other dudes, and I put them down much faster than someone without a CTR boost. By the time they've dusted one zombie, I've dusted a dozen. The risk of burning is well worth the rewards for me.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 07:42

#18

Zolb

Perfect?

I played a lot a long time ago and Rocked the Mad bomber. When I came back, Merc Demo was available and I eventually got it. It's awesome - Sometimes I wear volc demo armor in VSC If I'm sleepy and feel like being lazy. My Mercurial demo suit now has Uv Piercing high and Freeze High. My Helmet's got Uv Fire high and I'm working on gambling for shadow high+.

The best thing they could do for us pure bombers is make a shield that gives a CTR or DAM boost (just like how the swordies get).

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 16:31

#19

Aquajag

Shield?!?

+1 Zolb on the shield. +1 for sure.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 05:19

#20

Krysophylax

if you were going to go to

if you were going to go to the trouble of getting VH CTR UVs on all of your bombs, there really is no need for ANY of the bomber armours. wear 2 damage trinkies and whatever armour you want: maybe gunslinger or swordie set if you like to hybrid or something with lots of defense or status resist.

Just as an example, in FSC you could wear a deadshot mantle with a seerus mask and carry a blitz. youd have max ctr, max damage vs undead and VH against everything else on bombs, and your blitz would have med damage vs undead, VH CTR and med ASI. you could wear a swiftstrike to bump it up to Ultra ASI

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 08:12

#21

Derpules

Really need to point this out

"As for the CE, I have already saved up for 1600 CE for crafting the set."

vs.

"Radiant Sun Shards (CTR VH)
Dark Briar Barrage (CTR VH)
Venom Veiler (CTR VH)
Electron Vortex (CTR VH)"

Are you aware that each of these bombs will cost you about 25k CE to purchase as 2*s?

(And yes, you mention crafting them. But uh, if you're crafting on mist. . . well, I hope you're in this for the really, really long haul. :P)

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 22:55

#22

Qwote

Decision made.

Well, after long thought, my plan is to roll until I get the desired UV for the bombs.
Got the Mercurial suit already and is heating the demo helm for the next SL run.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 18:22

#23

Aquajag

I'm curious to know what the

I'm curious to know what the final price tag is on those UV rolls...

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 18:26

#24

Qwote

Incoming braggage

http://steamcommunity.com/id/QuoteTheQuiet/screenshot/596972801595439017.
1 roll.
Oh mang.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 19:19

#25

Qwote

Another bomb down

http://steamcommunity.com/id/QuoteTheQuiet/screenshot/594721714897960853 of 10 cumulative rolls

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 11:02

#26

Qwote

Almost done

500k of rolling later, http://steamcommunity.com/id/QuoteTheQuiet/screenshot/596973544037659666 and semi poor status obtained.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 16:58

#27

Aquajag

So, the first one was easy,

So, the first one was easy, the second came later, and the third was a total bear to get?

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