I need someone to list all the reasons wolver is "bad".
As in why are ppl hating on it?
What's wrong with Wolver?
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 17:58
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 18:03
#2
Wolver isn't bad, it's just
Wolver isn't bad, it's just that peeps are tired of seeing the overused armor everywhere. He reason it is overused is because the wolver line covers all types of defenses, and looks cool (I mean, who would walk around in dread skelly?).
Wolver is that much better then most armors, which is why literally every 5* player who isn't a hipster has one.
The people hatig are most likely Gunners or Bombers, since them with their armor and weapons migh be less effective against a wolver than a wolver with their weapons, if that makes any sense.
(Wolver + Swords- Dmg/effectiveness > Mad Bomber/gunner with bombs/guns.)
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 18:10
#3
Let's give the Azure set a
Let's give the Azure set a buff? I love the armor, but it's only good for Pierce and Normal. There's no ASI/CTR/damage increase at higher tiers. It just exists for my costume. I legitimately think that if it's one of the end game armors, it simply has to be more ... useful!
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 18:17
#4
Azure set shouldn't receive a
Azure set shouldn't receive a buff. You get the recipes handed to you through missions, therefore saving time and crowns for armor which is not optimal. I know this was not true a few months ago, abund I know this logic cannot be generalized for a lot of other lacking armors.
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 18:17
#5
Azure set shouldn't receive a
Azure set shouldn't receive a buff. You get the recipes handed to you through missions, therefore saving time and crowns for armor which is not optimal. I know this was not true a few months ago, abund I know this logic cannot be generalized for a lot of other lacking armors.
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 18:19
#6
Had my armor before the
Had my armor before the mission center :)
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 18:24
#7
Wolver is just
Wolver is just overused.
Cobalt armor isn't so bad as a starting armor if you need something to get by on and are feeling particularly cheap. It could be used to save you quite a bit of time.
What is bad about cobalt, is that wearing it pinpoints you as being awful at the game, due to the type of people that usually do go that route- ones that aren't so good at the game.
Wolver is the same way, but overall, its not a bad armor.
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 18:24
#8
"...and looks cool (I mean, who would walk around in dread skelly?)."
Sinister Skelly, over here.
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 18:28
#9
@op
Every thing....
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 18:53
#10
Yeah, that's why I'm saying
Yeah, that's why I'm saying that Cobalt needs a little buff, say movement bonus (? similar to the bomber) as a side-buff and not a true buff. That way, cobalt --> movement for general use and wolver --> pure swordsmans/womans armor.
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 19:04
#11
...
Everything and yet nothing at the same time...
From a gameplay standpoint, Wolver is one of the best armor sets of the game due to the offensive buffs and the specialization it gets at 5*. It provides swordsmen with everything they need.
From a "social" standpoint, most people hate it because every else uses it. In PvP, you have to be wearing Wolver Armor as a swordsmen (at least in GvG), else you just get sliced down (The exception is status immune sets). In PvE, there are few things that match how good Wolver armor is, making a lot of armor sets feel worthless in comparison.
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 19:07
#12
FALCON PUNCH!
its fun to use in T2 Lockdown......>:D
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 19:13
#13
lol
HATERS GONNA HATE
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 19:35
#14
Wolver armor isn't a total
Wolver armor isn't a total defensive answer; many people who wear a wolver set leave themselves open to one or more types of damage. That's certainly my argument for mixing it up a bit.
Mind you, what's best for lockdown isn't necessarily the best in PvE levels. Much like elemental weapons are best against undead, damage bonus gear just happens to be good for PvP.
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 19:37
#15
people who complain do so becuase:
They don't want to wear it. And they certainly don't want to HAVE TO WEAR IT. (and technically they don't). But it does suck, as a swordie, that you have two choices.
#1) Wear Wolver gear
#2) Wear something else, anything else, and its ALL SUBOPTIMAL.
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 20:25
#16
SUNSHAAAAAAAAARDS
As a Mad/Volcanic Bomber, I have to say I'd rather fight a full Skolver with a Final Flourish than a dang Nameless Gunslinger with that **** Polaris.
All sets can be used effectively; Skolver/Striker Clone Loadout is popular merely because it takes the net lowest amount of thought and cooperation. I'm quite sure a mob of six striking Mad Bombers with Trinkies and the RSS could rip apart a team of Skolver Clones by making the arena into Touhou while keeping up with them. Or you could mix it up, with an SS Bomber and a Polaris Gunslinger on each base; if you've got 6 in a 5-CP or 4 in a 3-CP, you'll easily win with this setup. Or a guardian-gunslinger combo. Or a vortex Bomber and someone with Triglav: VH CTR. There are actually a lot of ways you can crush a team of pure Wolver-Striker-clones.
Or just put in one skilled recon; distracting three of the Skolver clones for two whole minutes at one base, even if you don't end up killing them and get like 40 damage from that one AP shot, does a lot for the team.
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 20:28
#17
Wolver is some of the best
Wolver is some of the best swordie armor out there. And swordsmen is one of the most popular classes (at least for new players). Thus, many people wear wolver. It's not bad, it's just extremely common... and unoriginal XD. If you don't have a problem with being mainstream, go for it. Being that you said you use swords in your other thread, if you don't want to be judged as a generic wolver, wear a costume armor (which the cobalt line looks great as).
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 20:33
#18
As a swordie with an Azure
As a swordie with an Azure Guardian set, pretty much what Rommil said. I started with the Cobalt line because it was the default stuff that Kozma used to always sell, plus I thought the Wolver outfits looked kind of goofy. (Fluffy stuff doesn't do it for me.) It wasn't until I was well into leveling it up that I realized that it was pretty much the only feasible way to go for a swordsman, because of the bonuses involved. It'd be nice to tweak a few of the other sets to offer some unique benefit, but as it is, everyone goes Wolver because they want Vog Cub or Skolver, and everyone winds up looking the same.
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 22:17
#19
All the hate is from the fact it's mainstream.
Likewise the 'mainstream'ness is from the fact that it's recognized as the best swordsman's line armour in the game, which usually leads to its users charge spamming, usually being clueless newbies using what they hear is good and getting hated on.
Or you can just say it's mainstream. Personally, I don't particularly care. Whatever works really.
Mon, 06/04/2012 - 22:23
#20
According to hipsters, it's
According to hipsters, it's not hipster enough.
Tue, 06/05/2012 - 01:27
#21
Laying the line flat
If you're wearing that wonderful fluffball armor. I have to switch to a supportive setup. HAVE TO.
Why do I HAVE to? Because you're going to walk up to whatever I'm setting up and screw me out of killing it. There's little to no way around it. Close to anyone wearing wolver, literally walks up to whatever enemy they feel like, and bashes them apart. Sometimes I'd like to be the one to just back a gremlin group into a corner and send them flying with a blast bomb.
But the instant I see one of you fluffballs in my party... I have to put the FUN weapons away, and go to either supportive layout or a similar loadout, or basically just be the medic on standby for when you start hugging the floor.
The few exceptions are when someone's actually gone beyond swinging a metal stick at things and has actually wielded a gun or bomb that isn't just a sidearm for sword-wielding. When they've had that feeling of power and fun when they've killed something without ever really touching it.
THAT IS WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU FLUFFBALLS!
Tue, 06/05/2012 - 01:36
#22
@Skold
I wear Wolver-line...
I hope my playstyle doesn't bother you too much...You know you're welcome to use what you want in my Party, right?
Right?
Tue, 06/05/2012 - 02:03
#23
Fluffballs? really? wow......
/bow Skold-the-Drac ,im gonna use that from now on
but still @OP....
the "hate" (if im not wrong/being a complete [Woops] to "fluffballs") mostly genarates from bombers...... 1st, well what SKold just said.2nd from pvp since fluffballs just slashstabstabinstakillFTW bombers and Skolver just waltz trough shivermist.3rd because they are flashing their gear at newbs so they become more attacted to the fluff gear than the demo gear thus making demogear flush down into the world of "hipster-ness"
i wouldn't compare fluff gear to gunslinging since gunslinger gear is 3* thus hard to obtain to get..... and the annoying SHOCK INFLICTING OP TROLLARIS that they can get =3 (Pvp wise it's complete [manueer], but Pve wise its quite ok if u know how to use it)
that wraps it up for the "hate" on "fluffballs" have a goodday(/night (or should i say.... Knight? badumts)) and peace out
~Demotastic
Tue, 06/05/2012 - 02:12
#24
@Psych
You're one of the 5 people in the exception list for Wolver hate.
And I know I can use whatever I wanna use when partying with you.
It's just lately DR and WRH are my weapons of choice. My Jalovec's jealous cause it isn't a Triggy yet and my other weps have a hard time seeing action unless they're t1 LD material.
Tue, 06/05/2012 - 02:20
#25
Hipster knights hate Wolver
Hipster knights hate Wolver gears because it's too mainstream. If you hate Wolver gears, like mustache accessories and think Troika line charge attacks are underrated, you may be a hipster.
Tue, 06/05/2012 - 02:42
#26
Bah.
Well, Considering the Game is Only based around Offensive gear, and all other gear is the same as an offensive piece, but with out the boosts... That makes the Wolver the BEST gear to use... and that's no fair to all of the other gear that could be used instead. It costs the Same to make, riiight?
-._.-
Tue, 06/05/2012 - 02:59
#27
Tue, 06/05/2012 - 03:01
#28
My favourite one
Tue, 06/05/2012 - 03:43
#29
The only reason i have wolver
The only reason i have wolver is cause skolvers call me noobs i mean if you got skill whats wrong in dancing round FSC wearing dragon scale helm and royal jelly mail+Aegis???????
I do LD in that too...
Wolver isn't bad its just too mainstream
Hipster-
ISB
Suda
Trig
WinMILLION(geddit?)
Cautery
BAB & other blast bombs exept nitro
supernova
Iron slug
Royal jelly
Dragon scale
Skelly
Deadshot
Bombastic
Heater
Aegis
Volcanic pepperbox
Fearless rig and other Fiery F
VV
Biohazard neutraliser
between hipster and mainstream-
Chroma
Brandishes
DVS
Angelic
MAD bomber+volc demo
Justifier-Nameless
BTB (maybe)
Callahan
Plague needle
VT
RSS
AoA
Gravito+Electron
Senteza
Drivers
Azure set
Mainstream
Avenger
Faust
Skolver
Vog
FF
Shiver
AP
Blitz
Shadowsun
Polaris
CoA
Grey Owlite
BTS
All hipster stuff is BARELY used
Middle is used
Mainstream is mainly used
I have 4 mainstream things de-evos and items themsleves
Dusker set
Gigawatt pulsar
blackened crest
Middle i have 9 items
Blackhawk
RSS
plasma capacitator
Electro charge
Toxic needle
Dark thorn blade
Voltedge
Fused demo SET
Hipster stuff i have 4
Grinto
Aegis
royal jelly
dragon scale
So I am in the middle
The items are basd from my knowledge of seeing them in places, i have missed some otheres copy it and add more or change
I may be wrong and do not wish to be abused if so.
¬ Sppw
Tue, 06/05/2012 - 03:50
#30
"The only reason i have
"The only reason i have wolver is cause skolvers call me noobs"
So you were peer pressured? Sorry if I misunderstood.
Wolver is overused(cause of hatred) because it is one of the three class armors that have only damage bonus at 3-4 stars.
And many are swordsmen.
I bet if Wolver have ASI instead of Damage bonus, It will be less mainstream drastically.
^
If the above would happen I will laugh at the clones.
Tue, 06/05/2012 - 04:03
#31
...
@lunaice Could make sense. Skolver says, "makes your strikes blindingly fast" and gives damage bonus instead of asi. rofl
In the case of ASI med skolver set... I would laugh so much at skolver clones in lockdown, especially Skolver clones with ASI toothpicks.
Though... asi wouldn't match Dusker's description.
Tue, 06/05/2012 - 04:08
#32
@Owao, forum
Yeah, and have Vog cub CTR med per piece.
Probably Ferocity will refer to its speedyness? and toe-on-toe might mean fast..
Make them wolvers ASI, you should know their IRL counterparts hunt in groups, their FAST.
Or might be Me.
Tue, 06/05/2012 - 05:33
#33
@Psych
Correction. I have a list so short I can count it on one hand....
And yes, you're part of it. :P
Tue, 06/05/2012 - 06:48
#34
Not "bad", just really really
Not "bad", just really really overused, especially in LD. Why is wolver overused? It is because the swordy play style is by far the easiest. However, "easiest" not not mean "most effective" unless you are refering to LD in which skolver has defenses for all of a swordy's main threats.
In PvE, wolver has generally been outclassed in everything that is not a boss fight by skilled mad bombers even before all the buffs. After all the recent buffs, gunners can probably do the same with the addition of turning Vanaduke into a joke and bringing the butthurt in LD.
But doing all that requires more skill than what is required to be a passable swordy.
Wolver is "bad", in the same way that Michael Jackson is "bad" (referring to his song). It's really good for swordsman. In fact, it's so good that people call it "bad" in terms of -It's so good that I better complain- or -It's bad, like the modern version of "sick"-. If you notice, people in LD often are in wolver gear and often aren't criticized. 90% of the time, they are swordsmen.