Why should I farm FSC for 8k, If the profit I gain is 7,7k.
Those lazy P2pers who don't want to do the hard work always choose the easy one.
Well I don't you're ce. Go work for it yourself.
And For those who abuse the market for their own profits. Are selfish people.
Goodluck selling it.
I am not 100 ce, and frankly, I feel offended that you think of me that way.
And the rest of your post also made very little sense...
Well Its Easy to think that way.
Because if you would farm yourself vanaduke you would think the same as I did.
Why bother selling ce higher then the vanaduke payout then ?
Excuse me...Im not have the intention to troll but...
I have to thank them...because with the high prices of CE market Im holding my crowns until the market calm down...and Im doing fine using only my daily 100 of CE.
Now I have a lot of crowns^^ And Im not planing use alchemy until the market goes down.
So my answer is a bit similar to yours...You guys of market can keep the CE for you...Im fine with my 100 CE.
The Question is will the CE prices ever go down.
Since the Promos don't work anymore.
Just saying, FSC = 7.7k = 50 energy, not 100...
This would be true if CE were 15,400 per 100 though.
Yeah buddy, I understand...but you know why?
Simple...this market mechanic is pathetic...if someday, market players decide to put every 100 of CE cost at 10.000 crows, who gonna stop them?
You ever Tried Vanaduke twice.
And the Time it cost you.
1 Vanaduke is 1 hour.
2 is 2hours.
2 Hours of gameplay for 15400. - 8k = 7400.
So you only get that from 2 hour run.
And what about the T1 and T2 ?
Can you calculate it for them also.
Say it's pathetic, but for real, if you own something, you sell it at wathever price you want.
Try telling the cashier at a supermarket to lower the prices or give you a discount just because you want to or dont get paid much.
If the cost is 10.000 crowns, simply don't buy. If nobody buys, the sellers reduce the price. We just would have to make a global action to not buy anything until the price is back at 5-6k.
I got an answer to that.
If the cashier at the supermarkt sell it products for $100 no one would buy it.
Same at the market of the ce.
Also the price that 3 rings would sell the ce to you p2pers would you buy it if the energy was to overpriced.
Do not look only to 1 side.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XxI1hBl8el0/TMqRttSocdI/AAAAAAAAAg0/qeCTnkfDzA...
But to answer your OP: It doesn't use 100 energy to complete a full Vana run and you can't blame P2P people for selling their CE for the most that they can obtain. It's still quite easily possible to farm Vana purely on CE while making a profit.
To answer your 2nd question: They may have to introduce more crown sinks, nerf payouts even more..something along those lines to lower CE prices, since promos are only a temporary solution to the problem.
@Zolota- Exactly!
You got the point what Im doing right now.
@Juances - Youre exactly too...pathetic, but real.
And the same happens to supermarket...if they put higher prices, what happen? People find another supermarket to buy it cheaper...or dont buy it at all.
But here, the other way its buy it for real money...so what happen to us, its good for OOO.
@Zolota
If the price was to be reduced to 5-6k due to players refusing to pay 10kcr, then they would all attempt to buy it with the cr that they've stored up..causing the CE price to dramatically increase again.
Or they remove elevator passes.
And every p2per get ce and would decrease the ce prices.
Vanaduke is an hour? Um, sorry, but I solo FSC in 45/50 minutes.
Runs I go with my friends are usually around 30..
Elevator passes will not be removed.They have already trialed them and said that they are a permanent addition. Giving CE out to every P2P would not work due to the rage that it would cause, it only being a temporary solution, it screwing up the market etc.
Could be true.
They should come with a new solution.
CE isn't expensive because sellers are greedy; it's expensive because buyers really, really need it. And often in this sort of game, the buyers vastly outnumber the sellers.
If you want CE prices to decline, you need either of the following:
A) Fewer people buying CE with crowns (more people making the choice to spend real money on the game), or,
B) More people selling CE to get crowns. This is usually accomplished by creating a new feature like punch the UV gremlin, or those featured accessory auctions that everyone whines about.
no every p2p are greedy, some of them arent selling their CE to the market who know the reasons since with the prices of the CE market they could easily inject some CE and get easy crown as "you believe".
im p2p but i only buy when a CE promo comes and of course if it a good one. right now i have 30k Ce but i dont going to inject it to the market i just keep them for myself if i want to buy something like shadow dragon wings (i know isnt the real price of them im just saying) or a new stuff i missed (when i come back to spiral i found there was a expansion mission and i didnt have Steam funds so i bought it for 2500 Ce from a steam player).
you should stop generalized players because not everyone is in the same group
Or they Can Increase the payouts.
Since most of the p2pers are lazy to work for their own crowns.
Bull[excrement]! I'm P2P and I worked plenty hard to get where I am! There are practically no people who you just described!
Wow.
You know that P2Pers have to work to get their money, and they will need their daily essentials. SO calling them lazy about a game even though they work in life to get to where they are in game, you are yourself lazy.
I DON'T care what age you are, this sounds to me like a 3 year old crying about somthing they can't get(money, credit card accounts).
And before you ask, i'm not P2P, I fact, I can't because I'm too young to get a account and, [Retracted].
@Irevolutioni: Rangerwill is right. You are definitely not farming FSC as much as you are implying you do if you can't do it in less than 1 hour.
Why bring up the timeframe anyway though? I thought this discussion was about profit/energy used.
"most of the p2pers are lazy to work for their own crowns"
And who the [infernal regions] are you to judge so many players? That statement has no basis whatsoever, and wouldn't be justified even if it was true. Good luck finding friends for FSC runs with that attitude...
No wonder your FSC runs are so long, no doubt you have to PUG with that attitude.
I 100% agree with Tom..
Also, who are you to call us lazy, when you're the one sitting on a computer, while we're working in real life to get money.
I don't think spending a small amount on this game is a sin.
You can farm FSC as much as you like, you'll make maybe 3500 CE if you farm it for 48 hours?
Hell, anyone could go get a job at a gas station and work one hour in real life for that.
Edit: lololol, Mr. Devilite already said what I did.
Well, my post covered similar points....
But saying people who would work for their money are lazy, is just rude and steryotypical.If ther person lives with a parent, as them for a chance if you hate Being in that situation, and if not, get used to it. I also have to grind RJP for CE myself, you you can't complain.
Wasn't this the same person who made that remove LD thread?
Nerf Mission FSC crown payout, increase crown payouts does nothing but make CE cost even more. People farm mission FSC since it is a direct warp to FSC. But imo its crown payout should be lowered to 4k-5k per run instead of 7-8k. Make clockworks FSC worth 8k-9k per run since you have the travel the first 4 levels to get there.
People will keep buying CE no matter the price if they can afford it. So as long as mission FSC still gives 14k-16k crowns (not counting tokens) for 100 ce people will keep coughing up 8k crowns for 100 ce. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if CE reached 10k per 100 while mission FSC was still giving out 7k-8k crowns (then 3-4 tokens at 1k each) for 50 ce.
Increasing the payout of other missions would void a lot of player effort/time, and push prices higher, making it even more grindy on the poor. Decreasing the payout of KoA leaves the people who already grinded relatively happy and lowers CE prices.
Yeah, the same person who made the remove BN thread, not LD.
"most of the p2pers are lazy to work for their own crowns"
It's funny because most of the people who are constantly buying CE have something called "a job" and are "working" at said "job" for something called "money."
There isn't some sort of conspiracy going around, as you seem to be implying. They aren't holding the economy hostage the way you seem to think so. It's more that P2Pers have run out of things they want to buy in the game. When they have no incentive, they stop spending money.
The Promo right now admittedly ain't a good promo. No one that I know of really likes the bunny ears or the cat tails. Look at something like the Dragon Wings or Valkyrie Wings that people actually wanted. Those dropped the CE price down a few hundred crowns (I think it went from about 7.8k to 7.4k). Then if you go to X-mas Promo, that brought the CE price from 7.3k to about 5.7k
I do have a job my self.
And I work hard to earn my money but I don't trust gaming paying methods.
Besides all of that, I have enough of friends don't need any of you.
I also don't need a team to do vanadukes. I can solo it also.
And Btw If you aren't that lazy why bother selling it much higher then the vanaduke payout ?
Or manipulating the ce market.
For those people who think that paid cash are a God. are wrong.
I might have made a mistake by calling most of the p2pers lazy.
Rather you paid your cash or not, Poor or rich, Fat or skinny, Whatever you are, WE REMAIN HUMAN.
But I didn't call names So I don't get the point why you all getting offended. Might be because you do these kind of things.
But Thats not the point I came to make a message that the game should be enjoyable for both sides.
And you all say my attidude sucks look who is all targeting to me.
Least I don't go insulting a playerbse for what they do.
You have "Friends"? More like anonimous faces from a PC.
If you can solo, go do it then and leave your pointless threads in the GV. I rarely see people acting like god If they buy stuff. Seriously.
Well most of these people do.
Most of them act like you don't have the right to talk we paid cash so you can shut up.
NO.
I can talk and there is a forum section for that I have my right to talk want to silent me ? you can't there is a thing called FREEDOM.
Yet, if you have freedom, then why can't you swear, or Post [Retracted] or insult each other? Also, by telling me to shut up, aren't you violating MY "freedom"? Hyprocritical at most.
Most of them, never seen "Most of these People".
Yet, if you have freedom, then why can't you swear, or Post [Retracted] or insult each other? Also, by telling me to shut up, aren't you violating MY "freedom"? Hyprocritical at most.
Most of them, never seen "Most of these People".
So the Goverment is Greedy? That Local Corner Shop Is greedy?
Being lazy is not a insult.
In fact every human has been lazy at times.
We are familiar with being lazy otherwise there wouldn't be cars, remote controls, elevators.
What has the real life economy do with the gaming economy.
By calling the P2P player-base lazy, that's just as bad as naming/shaming. It's a contradictory statement, as you are P2P as well. If you want the CE to go down, and for P2P players to do something, start it yourself even if you don't trust the gaming payment methods. It's your own risk. I am P2P.
With all your comments on P2P, you might be the most prejudicial people I've seen on the forums (and this even includes the F2P-rage thread a little while back). You call P2P selfish and lazy. You say that promos don't work anymore (lol Mirror Boxes?). You say to remove Elevator Passes. I laughed at this thread. Don't say I'm targeting you, since you took the risk of naming and shaming the P2P community in a pointless thread on the forums.
And yes, I may have bias, being a P2P player myself. However, I didn't take any offense due to the ignorance present within this thread.
Calling someone lazy is an insult. Saying anything else is just spinning the truth.
Once again, they are manipulating the market just as much as a you are. They are just trying to get crowns, you're just trying to get CE. They aren't scheming and I can guarantee you that they aren't really controlling the market with the strangling power that you seem to believe they have.
This thread was actually based for those who ruine the whole market.
And not for those p2pers who actually help the f2pers.
I thank them actually same for the game developers but there are times that the market shouldn't be unbalanced.
Espacially if it makes the biggest part for the F2pers.
So hows using the market tab to sell CE at a better profit any different than using the market tab to buy CE at a lower price?
Fluxation of prices, seriously, read some CE threads.
Face it, you're stuck here like the rest of us in this unless OOO decides to make CE free, Screwing up OOO's main income.
There were times ce prices were at 3.5k crowns.
No one complained.
It raised to 4k
-5k
-6k T2 Balance
-7k T3 Balance
-8k Overpriced.
Its just the prices keep raising.
I mean why not let letting it at 6/7 k where its both fair at both sides.
People (F2P and P2P) buy more energy with crowns to fill a demand, or visa versa, have nobody buy (so sellers can't sell at high prices)
A better way, to make things more stable, would be a good promo that many people would want. The most recent promo was disliked by many, so it had little effect. However the mirrored lockboxes, dragon wings, valkyrie wings, sonic set, and the lowering of the Explorer's Pass had all helped. Once OOO makes a good promo, things will change.
Edit: Don't ever expect it to get below 5.5k crowns. I was here at a time when that was possible, but unless some major change occurs, expect 6k - 8k. Your projections on payout for each tier is meh, I won't bother to argue. It's futile arguing.
*your
Also, people will always buy CE because without it, you can't exactly go to T3.
also
one person=/= whole community