Yep, the CE price is ridiculous, the only ones who could benefit are those rolling in CE. However, the prices would go down if people would be patient and stop buying it while it's so outrageously high. Nevertheless, here's my vote...

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The forums are a small minority.

OOO also know.

Forumers are a minority in this community. Most of us don't go here.

Most of us ave tried, but these all fall apart in the end.

Look back to stuff like in august UP last year.

Unless you are planning to buy CE with real money (and a lot of it) you will not effect any change. The forums are a minority of the players on SK, and, as Tohru already pointed, out the CE threads are everywhere (and have been since CE hit oh... 5k). There are 5 CE threads on the first page.

There have been CE "boycotts", "revolts", whatever you wish to call them before... they all failed. Some of them were even led by big names at the time, I believe Magnus even led one.

Here is a topic that already has quite a bit of info on why CE prices are high: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/56930 . The most notable reason... an 11 million crown wall on the buy CE side that keeps showing up repeatedly!

~Gwen

This is a public forum, open for public replies! Negativity and positivity must be accepted or else nothing should be accepted! The truth of the matter is that there are people with six-digits in Crystal Energy and they are the lords of the energy market. Three Rings designed the game to allow the players to control how it is played and, for a time, things were nice and easy for everyone. Even now things are just as easy as they were, just maybe a bit more time consuming. It is a tough job to even out Energy and Crown sinks and Three Rings has adapted admirably, even if not 100% successfully. People cry for the company to fix their economy, but the team working on the game is not huge and has limited time and budget for all features. Just like you and everyone else you know they do not make perfect decisions and calculations, nor are they capable of working for days on end with no rest.

Now for my actual reply to this thread:

You say: "A standard price for CE would be more adequite and would make players advance faster without them raging from CE prices."

Adequite for what, whom? I don't understand what that is supposed to mean. A set economy would only make the game a straight, flat, smooth road to the end of the game. Bumps, potholes, and difficult hills are what make the game experience different, challenging, and an overall better experience. I understand that "casual" gamers, as this game definitely attracts with being free to play, may expect an easy game with few obstacles, but that does not make the game fun. This game is creative, new, and very nice-looking. There is a shortage on content, that much is clear. How would everyone sailing to the end-game with no problems and hiccups solve that problem? It wouldn't. It would only exacerbate people's frustration with that lack of content.

I think you misunderstand how the game was designed or how games should be designed. You clearly are a part of that group of casual gamers who expect to have everything set at one place with one perfect goal that, after being obtained once, will be easily obtained time after time. Where is the satisfaction in thinking "Well, I'm out of energy, time to spend another 5,000 crowns getting more." when there's a slight thrill in looking at the Energy market and seeing "Oh, Energy is 8,000 crowns today and I don't have enough..." and having to work a bit harder to obtain that goal?

You say people rage-quit because they don't like the idea of having to work harder. Personally, that's not the kind of player I want to know or even the kind of person I want to know.

TL;DR Get your entitled head out of your ass and deal w/ it.

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I never said it being more expensive was the "exciting" part. Energy being 1k could be an exciting thing. It's about the variance, not the actual number. That's a very nitpick-y thing to post about.

Everyone? I sense OOO conspiracy, raising ce prices.

No, seriously. Players price ce. The f2p buyers and p2p ce sellers all contribute. If everyone really wants ce prices to go down, sellers would sell lower, and buyers wouldn't buy until sellers go lower. Not the case, since a majority of the players want to have ce now, to do the stuff they consider fun. Instead of waiting for ce prices to go down, since that is as boring as grinding fsc over and over.

Players like Aeiterealle help ce prices by holding prices at a wall. It's actually a good thing

Biooborg, if lowering prices were as easy as you expect them to be, then we would NOT be in this quarrel. Anther CE thread really isn't going to do anything advantageous for anyone but excite rage.

Then it will never go up. Unless you think that's a bad thing for your cause.

-_-

If there is a standard price, no one will use the standard market and move on to trades in Haven. The only way to solve this is to kill the need for energy to craft and playing: 0 elevator costs, 0 energy at crafting costs. Leave energy as a "only vanity purposes" resource, and maybe in the future with guild upgrades, and that is it. The current economic model is flawed, as it will inflate always towards the end, and prices won't drop 2k crowns anytime soon.

Maybe you are right, we are right now on a "tweaking" around moment in the game, the sad part is that they promo'd this game while this took place and now we won't have a good image out there. I am still patient about the game, I can wait, and I think many of the old playerbase.

Still, the "more combat options" part, Nick sort of hinted it had to do with "team attacks" I think in his Twitter. Unless, there is way more and I don't know about it x.x

Guys, I've heard just about enough about this "CE Crisis," and have the following to say. Spiral Knights is a free to play game, but not free to make or develop. In simple terms, the makers want to get paid, and I don't blame them. If you consider CE from a supply and demand perspective, you'd realize that the problem is that the supply of Ce is too low. Answer me this, where does CE originate from. If you say the market, you're an idiot. CE comes from players who "BUY" it from OOO. Those players then sell it to the free to play players. If we want the prices to go down, logic says that we are going to have to increase the supply, by, you've guessed it, buying it. I know this answer doesn't help those who refuse to shell out a cent to the makers of a game who allow players to play their awesome game for free.

I'm proud to say that I buy CE. I've bought tons games for my XBOX 360, Wii, psp, and steam account for $20 and $30, and never have I put as much time as I have put into this game, except for SSBB.

Also, if you troll people for buying CE, you're an idiot, because those are the people who bring CE into the game. It is going to be a sad day when people stop buying CE from OOO altogether, well not for me because I'll be there, and I am going to sell my CE for 1 mill per 100.

+1 to Vonboogie.

And also 12, apparently.

lulz...

If it makes anyone feel any better, there is almost always two sides to an economic situation. It's either the worst time to buy CE... or it is the best time to sell it. For those who have been debating buying something, now is probably one of the best times to buy the Starter Pack or the Explorer Pack, or even the Battle Pack. You can make a MASSIVE profit off even small purchases now, far more than usual.

We have room to grow.

When the economy reaches 22K per 100 CE, then there will be real trouble with things. Then, no run on cradle will return any profits, and even the FSC players will be forced to play solely on mist if they want to make a profit off of playing the game.

A standard energy price would not work either, as has been said millions of times. That'd be like the auction house deciding how much to sell your item for.

@Spookydemi

A lot of CE threads =/= FUNDAMENTAL FLAW WITH THE GAME

Forum users are a fraction of the games playerbase, a majority of which are paying 8kcr+ for CE quite happily (or else it wouldn't be at that price; equilibrium).

The presence of complaint threads is a product of the vocal minority (see 90/10 rule). And no, it's never really that simple, ever.

When players are totally swamped and unable to buy a batch of CE after 100 mist's worth of hard grinding, then the complaints might have a leg to stand on.

The presence of complaint threads is a product of the vocal minority (see 90/10 rule)

I have always believed that the 90-10 rule is subject to a stable game and that the xx%-xx% breaks down as the game goes into major flux or a state of brokenness (see pre x-fer SWToR).

Basically the more players that hit a glass ceiling with progression the more will be visiting the forums to see if they are alone between a rock and a hard place.

~Luke

Im afraid biooborg wasnt here last year. He doesnt really know about the average ce prices, I believe