Lockdown the place that skillz doesn't matter.
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 05:04
Like the title says.
Most of the LD players have good uvs like myself.
But isn't it fair for the players who don't, its kind of unbalanced and you can't see the diffrence between good or bad.
Because the worst players might have a CTR VH voltaic tempest and then kill you. Or anything you can imagine.
Also Trinkets and Auto aiming. Makes it alot easier for those who can't even aim and kill.
My point is that every Wep you use inside pvp the uv wouldn't work.
Then the pvp would mean atleast something.
Blast network, The pvp that I used to play alot and now became a graveyard.
Is far more balanced then LD. You can't cheat. by getting uv/trinkets/Auto aim.
The only thing that matters in that minigame is skillz.
The only pvp I like from every other game.
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 05:33
#2
You can't say Lockdown has no
You can't say Lockdown has no skill required, it does, but we all HAVE TO take into account UVs and such,
So you would say it is not skill-based.
Blast Network is purely skill, which might be why most people don't play it? I don't know.
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 05:35
#3
The-Rawrcake
Or No one likes the gameplay of blastnetwork ?
Thats it
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 06:15
#4
Hue
LD has been a "competitive joke" since day 1.
At least now you can get heart trinkets.
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 07:34
#5
Oh, its THAT thread again.
Oh, its THAT thread again. People beaten up in LD complaining about LD being wrong because they didnt win.
UVs, Trinkets all that stuff, autoaim. Everyone can use it, noone is restricted from using it. You cant buy it since you dont have enough crowns/CE? Guess what? Those people who have them now ALSO COULDNT AFFORD IT IN PAST. It didnt magically pop up in their inventory they grinded clockworks, wasted CE on ragecraft, got lucky with Punch or spend hard earned real life money to buy some CE. All the options are open for you also. If you dont choose them, you do it at your own risk of being pwned in LD.
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 08:39
#6
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Ok, I understand auto-aim rants, but Voltaic Tenmpest.... Recons already have max ctr without UVs..... and learn to use a gun.
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 09:20
#7
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Maybe you'll like T1 then. Hammers aside, most people use the stuff you get from missions.
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 09:21
#8
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Aa is for noobs and helps spammers but if you are good you can kill autoaimers.
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 09:25
#9
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Dont get me wrong but on any MMORPG you need the best weapons to win right...
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 10:20
#10
Try T1 LD sometime
With exception of the rare select few, those of us who adamantly play T1 LD are not very UV heavy.
Additionally, thanks to the smaller selection of available gear (and a distinct lack of pokers) everyone tends to be on the same playing field. When you run with the T1 pack, skill, coordination, and the interaction of the classes are the things that win the day. (and the occasional bombhead) Not the UV gear that dominates T3 and to a lesser extent T2.
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 10:25
#11
T2 is beta
I totally agree, noob spammers in t3 simply ruin the game with UVS (and their loaded credit cards).
To solve your problem of noob overpowerness try t2 ld. Noob spamming doesn't work well, even with AA. If you can SC and can counter the RARE variant user, you should be fine.
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 12:13
#12
"Or No one likes the gameplay of blastnetwork ? Thats it"
Hello? I've seen tons of people love Blast Network to death, but don't play because they get owned by the pros.
Blast Network is much more stable than Lockdown, since uvs don't matter.
I prefer Lockdown however, since it doesn't require much more than, An FF / BTB, striker, and a little bit of skills.
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 12:29
#13
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In tier 1-2 the hammer is OP and it makes it more unbalanced than tier 3.
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 13:09
#14
Blast network is
Blast network is boring.
There.
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 15:02
#15
UVs and gear certainly do give the upper-hand but...
You can still do decent in LD even without the best stuff. In T2, I have low ASI on all of my stuff (Save my hammer) and I do about 6-9K per game, often with high caps and/or defends.
In T1, I mostly use stuff gained from missions save for armor I got for less than 3K and an edge with med ASI (also less than 3K) and I do about 2-4K damage with many caps/defends.
In T3, I usually use a Snarby/Mercurial set with GF, Hammer, and Barbarous Blade as my swords, Polaris as my gun, and RSS and Staggerstorm as my bombs. None of them have ASI or CTR UVs and I still manage to handle most people on fair terms while being a credit to my team (most of the time).
(Oh, and if you want to fight me without me using my pansy hammer, just ask; if there isn't a prize for the winning team, I will fight you with a toothpick/edge like a civilized brute.)
Remember, I'm pretty darn nooby so if I can do well without ASI, you can too. There are tons of people who can slaughter me without ASI and there are tons of UV'd guys that I fear not. It's the skill that makes a person great, his gear only makes him better.
(Sorry if it seems like I'm bragging; I'm not the best, I'm just using me as an example for a decent player that doesn't rely on UVs, I still get killed by people with 4star stuff.)
Oh, and I love Blast Network. <3
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 22:57
#16
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It's almost as fun as a game of rock-em sock-em robots, ERRR..., well almost. xD
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 02:54
#17
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Even if everyone has UVs and trinkets around you, there are still stuff that can give you an edge in combat.
I am a 4* gunner so I don't have the shadowsun set, but even so I still have my trump card that makes my shots hit hard.
(Hint hint: it's a piece of armor that isn't T3 or T2.)
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 03:25
#18
Processing Thoughts of You Always
Obviously
this is
the epic
CYCLOPS CAP
:B
(...and yes, I was actually being serious. I've seen a few pro LDers packing Fencing Frocks, or whatever the 0* Medium Sword Damage armor is called.)
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 03:30
#19
Huh, no one mentions internet connection...
@Aureate
Fencing Jacket
That aside I'm surprised no one mentioned internet connection at all, and computer performance. Guess I'm the only few with bad internet... At least LD is still playable, but the lag in BN makes it unplayable for me.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 09:17
#20
o.o
I have NO uv's..and I do fine powning x'P lol
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 09:24
#21
Blazergun. The thing he is
Blazergun. The thing he is pointing out is much like someone said in a previous Lockdown topic: "Even if players with the same skill go 1v1, the person with the better UVs will almost always win."
There's times I've been mauled by someone with ASI Max Final Flourish and sometimes I actually get a kill in. Even myself which has ASI LOW on a Barbarous Thorn Blade get kills in with people who don't have ASI Low but sometimes people kill me.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 10:30
#22
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The Uvs gives u an adventaje that can give u the victory against a no uvs, but it is not determinant, not always u goin to win for that, the most determinant in a win or get own is the latency and server responce. I have piercing max in my skolvers but people that hit me from miles of distance i cant even get close to hit them once, so i die.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:22
#23
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The Uvs gives u an adventaje that can give u the victory against a no uvs, but it is not determinant, not always u goin to win for that, the most determinant in a win or get own is the latency and server responce. I have piercing max in my skolvers but people that hit me from miles of distance i cant even get close to hit them once, so i die.
What the hell are you saying?
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:26
#24
wow
dude i have no UV just snarby coat and helm and no health trinkets-i play as striker and i still get 5-15k dmg
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:34
#25
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Sylvanius I am saying this:
Los Uvs te dan algunas ventajas que te pueden dar una victoria en contra de alguien que no posea Uvs, pero esto no es determinante, no siempre vas a ganar por eso, lo que mas determina una batalla, si ganas o te matan, es la latencia o la respuesta al servidor, yo tengo perforacion maxima en mi set skolver pero hay gente que me pega desde muy lejos en donde ni siquiera puedo pegarle una sola vez, resultando muerta.
That was i say, use google translate to understand.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 12:24
#26
Spiral Knights, or MMOs in
Spiral Knights, or MMOs in general, typically aren't good games to play if you seek a competetive, fair playing field. I'm not saying it hasn't been done and there's absolutely nothing wrong with urging towards an environment where skill is more of a determining factor rather than P2W items or imbalanced mechanics.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 12:22
#27
Translation...ish
"The Unique Variants you use give you an advantage over those players who do not have UVs. However, UVs do not determine that you'll have a guaranteed chance of winning. The most determined thing in a match to win is Latency and Server Response. I have pirecing max on my Skolver Set but players are able to hit me from miles away, while I cannot hit them even up close. So I eventually die."
Did I get it right? :U
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 13:17
#28
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Yes.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 13:29
#29
xD
Glacies Perfectly >_<
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 14:05
#30
I've noticed the game got
I've noticed the game got harder for me when I had to get more hits in than my opponents due to the heart trinkets update. Even when I have a shadow high on the magic hood, normal max score, with asi high/vh for weapons, but still get taken down in 2 hits. I'm saving my crowns up too, so I don't want to get heart trinkets.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 15:54
#31
Lock Down does need skill
I've used no trinkets or Uvs since the very first day i tried lockdown, and i'll tell you that it takes skill to kill a dusker-striker, duel tri-heart clone. Sure uvs and trinkets help you become more powerful, but in no way do they make you skill less.
This is about as right as it'll get.
This man he knows.
+1