Like other people told me before, forums wont get you anywhere. No point in posting it unless you are testing on the preview servers or theres a bug that you discovered that needs fixing. I made a forum post earlier to make a Standard CE Price but it failed :P No point in continuing this cycle....
To all people with 15 mil +, how we drive up the price of energy is inside this thread.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 08:14
#52
Changed Mind About Forum
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 08:15
#53
Glitched Double Post (edit)
Glitched Double Post (edit)
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 08:16
#54
~
Glad you finally realized that.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 08:16
#55
Economy
You need money, yet you want to make this game go into mega inflation? Look in the history books, see what Inflation did to great nations like Germany or America! Is that what you want this game to be turned into? Just to fill your sick money needs?! Your plan isnt going to work so just quit day dreaming.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 08:22
#56
@The-Rawrcake
Why do you need even more crowns? Don't you have enough already? Aah, wait, now I see.....you want to make "your" money so you can blow it all off in the AH buying useless accessories and stuff of the like.
You've no idea how much I despise you and others like yourself. Like Biooborg said, twice, the forums won't get you anywhere, as most of the posters are only think about making a profit out of other's misery and bash on anyone that disagrees with them.
And once again, 3Rings fails to get into the discussion, prefferring to remain silent all the time. I'm done with these forums.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 08:24
#57
Like Biooborg said, twice,
"Like Biooborg said, twice," I swear I only pressed the button once xD
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 08:27
#58
@rawrcake
Rawr you want more money we understand that..but tell me why..I think even if u sell ur ce at 7k u ll have pretty much everything u want...If am wrong correct me..You dont agree that the game will die right?I dont know if the game will die but i am sure that many guys are bored right now..The ce rise will will be one more reason to force these guys to leave the game...Do u want to tell you the reason?Personally i ll not do 2 runs vana to buy 100ce..I must play 2hours only for 100 ce...I am tired even after one vana i dont have the mood to do another one nor the mist if i die one time in vana..Please answer and tell me what u truly believe...
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 08:34
#59
oh i see..
Now i saw the 51 th comment...Well i realize now...guys he is just playing with us. he enjoy the fact that we answer in his thread and some of us rage..Lol man..Dont you have a better way to enjoy yourself?I really pity you...
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 08:40
#60
Trolling
Isnt trolling against the rules? Tsk tsk tsk Rawrcake
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 09:20
#61
Praise the sun! \o/
Even in countries with free market economies, collaboration to artificially increase the price of a product is illegal. If OOO would enforce such a rule here (it would be pretty easy to prove who's doing it, just read the forums), everyone would be much happier.
Also, SK collaborators work on the flawed premise that when prices rise the F2Pers will either A) buy at higher prices (good for P2P) or B) buy with real money (good for OOO); the third, more common, and often-ignored-by-P2P option however is C) quit (good for nobody). This is exactly the reason why I quit a while back; when new players would rather quit than try to progress, the game is obviously no longer worth playing.
I stopped playing SK a few months ago after finally getting some SL armor, and every so often I check back on the forums to see if it's worth playing again. Payouts for runs are less, prices for CE are more, and there's no new endgame content to make the now-increased grinding worthwhile. It looks like the short answer is "no." When the game is more accessible to new players again, let me know.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 09:26
#62
Its more bandwagoning than anything
Let me put this perspective out there. Something I noticed when I tried to play the CE economy game, as one would call it. Players see the prices rise and they instinctively know that prices will drop once word of a promo gets out. Inevitably, this means players will go crazy to sell CE before this happens and fight to sell it before its too late. But, what if all the CE sellers realized this? That the only reason the prices are dropping because they think it will drop? Even after a promo has started, they decide not to sell that CE. What would happen to the prices then? Gotta look deeper to see the superficial truth that the only reason prices drop is because we think they will drop and will sell the CE as quick as possible to make a profit, causing the price to drop as they fight for the best price before someone goes lower than them to sell it.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:18
#63
"You need money, yet you want
"You need money, yet you want to make this game go into mega inflation? Look in the history books, see what Inflation did to great nations like Germany or America! Is that what you want this game to be turned into? Just to fill your sick money needs?!"
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
Yessssss.
By the way people. I saw thousands of offers on the WRONG SIDE of the market!!!
You are supposed to place it on the LEFT. You need to make thousands of high offers in crowns ----> CE.
I think someone may have read this and comprehended it incorrect. It might have been someone countering this. Either way, we really need to step this up, guys.
First, we make three thousand offers for 8600.
Then, we make three thousand offers for 8700.
Then, 8800. Then, 8900. and so on and so on. It is a big team effort, and I am more than willing to help once I see this start happening. It has happened earlier and I watched it happen and it was awesome, it just didn't last as long as I would like it to.
So we need to have a planned out time tomorrow or something to do this, guys.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:24
#64
The use of the market goes
The use of the market goes down, forcing most to spend their real money to purchase energy?
The money monkeys of OOO will have to change their pants if this actually happens.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:28
#65
Or they will get elevator
Or they will get elevator passes which highers up the cost of energy even more which helps me. You don't need to be a paying player to benefit from huge energy costs. You just have to not be a monkey who spams FSC :)
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:29
#66
(untitled)
So, all this commotion has sparked an evil thought in my mind of playing this chaos. Begin with making an alt. Spend 5 bucks on CE for this account, then sell it when I believe we've reached a zenith point. Buy it back when it drops and restart process until filthy rich. Transfer funds over to main. Grow evil beard and walk around town with a gold pimp cane.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:35
#67
Yeah pretty much.
Thank the
Yeah pretty much.
Thank the devs for promos btw.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:39
#68
Oh of course.
Not much point buying CE unless some promo is to be gained from it. They sit in my inventory and wait til they're so unheard of, players go ballistic for them. Still got 2 valk wings, a volc cat tail and volc EVVs. Novelty is wealth. And fact is, we're paying. We should get benefits for that.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:44
#69
"And fact is, we're paying.
"And fact is, we're paying. We should get benefits for that."
lol so funni
What you're saying is that at some point down the line you realized that since all of the virtual currency you used has been used up you're now hoping to get free stuff to help you survive again because you refuse to spend another cent.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:53
#70
Something like that, Keelan.
I got 7K CE sitting there gathering dust. Its not that I am hoarding it, just don't feel like spending it. Give me a reason and I'll use it but I don't use it for revives, I don't use it for crafting anymore (got everything I want) and I don't have any other purpose for it. I could sell it at any point but what would I do with the crowns then? I completed my outfit. I could buy more Shadow Keys but why would I want to go back through the SLs if I beat them already? Just gonna sit back and relax.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 12:19
#71
This maybe not belong to this
This maybe not belong to this thread but still.
Consider 2 cases:
case1: A player plays 10 hours a day doing 20 FSC and profits 1kCE ( he's exhausted and goes to sleep ) - no actual help for the devs.
case2: A player goes finds some part time job and works for 10 hours profiting 30$ ( he's exhausted but since he didn't use his brain and worked hard he can now sit and play SK). He buys 10kCE - help for devs.
Conclusion: Don't play FSC 10hours a day for 10 days. Just work for 1 day.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 12:29
#72
@Bekjan
The underlining point is that Spiral Knights should be fun and definitely not comparable to a job. If FSC is a chore for you rather than something you do for fun, then you really shouldn't be doing it.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 12:44
#73
A player goes finds some part
A player goes finds some part time job and works for 10 hours profiting 30$
Do you live in a third-world country where that is an acceptable wage? Because... What you are implying is that this hypothetical person is being paid $3.00 per hour. This is ignoring all of the other fallacies in your statement, of course.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 13:18
#74
...
So, you only care about yourself? and the new players its just say to them: dont play this game because we are making impossible for you.
You should die in a fire
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 13:25
#75
/clap
Nano, you are slightly gullible.
Rawr is a troll.....
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 13:25
#76
/clap
Nano, you are slightly gullible.
Rawr is a troll.....
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 15:02
#77
So you want all the ce to be
So you want all the ce to be held by the richest? Haha, man, well, I guess from my experiences from left 4 dead 2 and their conservative attitude, that I would be experiencing in some "rpg" like online game as well. I didn't expect it to go the conservative route though, but sometimes the determinists who want no moral responsibility end up on that side as well. It's all about justifying their traits.
Dang, no wonder why I couldn't get energy even at over 8000. When I wanted a steam game to purchase with ce like a week ago, it was at 7600. Thanks dudes.
Yeah Tohru, but look at the quantity of energy demanded, and how slow the supply rate is, you practically have to buy at the sellers market. The willingness to buy is higher for the long run, but the poorer and middle guys don't enjoy the higher slice of the "GDP" through potential arbitrage(guess that's why they have that selling fee). I've never seen x1000 or x 500 of bids until recently. Just a half hour ago, I put in a bid for x69(median/average cost of a single steam game) and then some guy keeps outbidding me at x300 everytime, and I saw him take it off and put it back on. But it's not like the energy prices are going anywhere. Could even maybe be that he thought I was one of those rich guys in on the plot.
Even if it is a troll post, this thing works like information flow for riots, like the Rodney King riots, where the intensity and size just grew because of the media posting on it. That is not a false equivalence cause there was an actual econometrics study done on that. I don't think you want to confirm herd behavior which is what behavioral economists argue for bubbles if you're a market proponent unless you enjoy the speculation of predicting future prices and short selling. And let's face it, ce is more of a monopoly market than other "industries" or goods like the fruit & vegetable market, where I can just go to the farmer's or smaller fruit businesses than the grocery chains where prices are normally higher with quality not better at all or varied.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 18:15
#78
Trolling Probrems?
They should add a rule for trolls like The-rawrcake, like really, its common sense.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 18:21
#79
HOW 2 HELP
HOW 2 HELP ECONOMY 2 B RISE
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 20:11
#80
Errrm.
I am not joking or
Errrm.
I am not joking or trolling or whatever.
I seriously would like it if rich people could place huge amounts in CR -> CE to force new players to make offers above the wall, driving up the price.
I would benefit........
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 20:31
#81
Oh god, the 'trolls lack common sense' statement again.
Edit: oh wait, I lack reading sense. Derp.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 21:17
#82
@Spectrumized You didn't get
@Spectrumized
You didn't get me.
I am not doing more than 1-2 FSC per visit. And I visit just 2-3 times a week. Do you think people like doing FSC 10 hours straight? They may do FSC 1-2 times per day but after 10th time I don't think any sane person will like doing it. So they do it for crowns.
@Replicant
You missed the point.
I assumed the bare minimum wage, where you don't need any extra qualifications. If you can earn 100$ then it's even better.
Point is: don't grind crowns wasting hundreds of hours just work somewhere for 10hours, it will be more efficient.
Of course if you don't spend much time playing SK, then you are ok without investing $. But if you are serious about SK and want MAX UVs and 1-2million accessories then doing FSC to get them is just plain inefficient.
.
Tue, 06/19/2012 - 04:12
#83
I assumed the bare minimum
I assumed the bare minimum wage, where you don't need any extra qualifications.
Minimum wage isn't anywhere near $3.00 in any civilized country.
Tue, 06/19/2012 - 06:03
#84
Driving down the price.
Infact it would be easy, to drive down the price of CE, if people were not greedy. If you want to BUY CE, you post your offer on the market, if you want to SELL CE you use the trade option, this means all the price increasing Sell side offers would be ignored. This would prevent the blocks being recycled, and drive down the price. However this all breaks down when someone wants quick CE, or a better price for their CE.
Tue, 06/19/2012 - 09:11
#85
No that wouldn't solve it if
No that wouldn't solve it if buying CE could be on the market, but only CE sellers could use the trade button.
You can still make crown walls which drive up the price and force people to make crown offers above yours.
Tue, 06/19/2012 - 09:40
#86
i never saw that in that
i never saw that in that point rawrcake... sounds good to make.. crowns >:3
so basically youre telling me i should put offers like idk... 9000 cr for 100 Ce in that option, and then when price raise sell my CE in trade?
and yeah besides that. i got tired of the every day CE complain thread so i guess its time to take measures.
Tue, 06/19/2012 - 10:47
#87
Errr make sure you aren't
Errr make sure you aren't going anything too durastic at first or your crown wall will fall.
Basically, just make it close to the current offer and make players just put it slightly infront of your wall.
It is other players making offers higher than your wall that drive up the price of energy, not our walls themselves.
Thu, 06/21/2012 - 14:13
#88
Planning to do this in reverse by myself.
Thu, 06/21/2012 - 14:19
#89
no tersakaff nooo
@Tersakaff
Even if you had an effect on the price of CE it would be short-lived. Lower prices result in people buying at a higher rate and the price will return to its current equilibrium.
Thu, 07/05/2012 - 11:01
#90
One question
Just wondering, what are you planning to do with your crowns?
Edit: Sorry for the necropost. Saw this on AiD, didn't check dates >_>
Mon, 07/09/2012 - 02:25
#91
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Doing this is just insane. Think about it, not even doing a single Vanaduke can afford the ce cost. Look man, OP, if you're trying to get millonaire by this I'd say it's not a good idea. I swear, there are other methods you can take but not this. Stop being so egoistical just because you wanted to sell ce for a good amount of cr, many users will be angry and are gonna leave the game, as people told you before. Personally this pisses me off the most. Makes me have to buy with real money and i'm trying just to not spend too much on this. Because i don't want to get too obssessed by this.
I remember back in the day, when i started the game, ce was 6k. And it was enough. You could buy ce with cr and there was some cr left to keep saving if you ever wanted something else. Users, please, do not let this happen. This is not gonna satisfy everyone at all, it's gonna make things even worse. And i wish to buy ce just to untie some weapons and sell them. (I don't know what's the right word, so i'll use "untie" for the weapons, etc). And just seeing that untie an armor in 5* cost so much that i cannot do anything. Well, sorry for the long post and my bad english. I play alot of SK and I'm not liking the ce price at all as many of you probably don't either...
Mon, 07/09/2012 - 12:43
#92
Processing Thoughts of You Always
why did you have to bring this sodding thing back to life
; o;
Let it die before Rawr decides to try a coordinated effort again.
Mon, 07/09/2012 - 16:26
#93
Rawkake is totaly right, I've
Rawkake is totaly right, I've seen like 150 offers for the same price, but I never see people trying to lower the price by doing this.
Too people who want a lower price;
the one thing you can do to make it happen, aside from whinning on the fourms like me, is to just set your own dam price. Take your finger off that autobuy key.
Tue, 07/10/2012 - 12:53
#94
I have an idea...
Why don't you give some of the crowns you don't need to people like me who need 700CE more to craft their DA, but they wont be able to if the CE price goes up; Instead of wasting time and cr (Mind you). And if the price DOES go up to 10kcr/100CE, 70k cr to get 700 CE?! And if the price stays at 8k-8.5k, Im partially fine with it, just 60k for 700CE(Roughly) You know, some people can't buy CE with real $$. And i do not like to beg, but really if you're gonna waste all your money on raising prices of ce;
GIVE ME SOME. D:<
Tue, 07/10/2012 - 17:04
#95
AHA!
I will post all 5 million of my crowns at 10k per 100 CE and drive the market up! BWAHAHAHAHAH!
PREPARE FOR THE END!
<3 Xairathan the Sardonic Dragon
Tue, 07/10/2012 - 17:19
#96
yeah, just going to leave this right here...
Tue, 07/10/2012 - 17:32
#97
OOO has the CE system in this
OOO has the CE system in this game because apparently it freaking works. I haven't seen the game ever be not-crowded with players, that must tell me the forums are full of whiners and really everyone's happy with 8k or 10k CE prices.
Otherwise it would be different. Because the CE prices are the community's collective decision through their actions. Correct?
Tue, 07/10/2012 - 17:39
#98
Mhmmm
+1
Wed, 07/11/2012 - 06:13
#99
I used to rage like you...
...then I got a life.
Wed, 07/11/2012 - 07:15
#100
Next week, I will propose an
Next week, I will propose an idea targeting the underaged players (as in, those under the age of 13) and getting a large majority of them banned.
I don't like them breaking the rules and giving this game a bad reputation: in one of the reviews for this game it was mentioned that the community is childish. Time to help solve this problem for the good of Spiral Knights.
I play with the market to make my money.
Higher CE prices is much more profitable for me.
I need more people with 15 mil crowns to place thousand offers with a large amount of crowns than what the market is at, causing newbies to be forced to place offers above that amount in order to actually get the chance to have their crowns turned into energy.