So wearing a deadshot set, my AP does the same damage to the almirian crusader as it does to a lumber. (Which is less against slags and kats, obviously.)
This leads me to believe that the almirian crusader is NOT undead, even though it takes extra damage from elemental weapons like undeads and constructs.
Do you think this is intended? A bug?
From what I've seen they deal Shadow Damage and they take extra damage from my Glacius so I assume they are Undead. Also it just makes sense considering they are fallen soldiers of Almire. Any damage differences that show otherwise is most likely a glitch.
EDIT: Almirian Crusader - A powerful undead knight from the cursed kingdom of Almire. They lie encased in ash until intruders get too close...
This is a quote from Nick talking about the new enemies.
But they don't take undead bonus damage. Went in with deadshot and did way less with my blitz compaired to other undead, untill i equiped some gun damage trinkets.
Its probably a bug then... they are quite clearly undead. But then... so is vanaduke, and he isn't?
about vana, he is weak to pierce so i think he might be a fiend, since he is a cursed monster who turns his loyalists into undead
vana and crusader arent in any monster family, it says so on wiki
I'm not sure what wiki you're reading...
But, SK wiki shows the Almirian Crusader is in the undead family.
(Ignore missing pictures, that's an issue OOO is aware of and is working on, if you went to the wiki thread.)
Also, in the Undead Family page you can clearly see the crusader listed.
If you look down at "No Types" you can see Vanaduke is listed there.
So again, this begs the question: Why doesn't it get a boost from undead damage UV's? But then it appears that the consensus is that it should and it's a bug.
It is possible that their armor causes them to take less damage than other units from all types of weapons? I haven't really looked into it, but that seems possible, otherwise I'd say they just forgot to add the inc damage to undead to their resistance tables.
Someone do me a favor and try construct bonus on the Almirian crusader.
The reasoning being that the Almirian crusaders bear a strong resemblance to mecha knights on steroids, and some of the code could easily have not been changed. If it works, it would prove that it is a bug. That or the Almirian crusaders are robots disguised as undead, like the terminator, but goofier.
I think they take less damage than other monsters (from memory, don't trust me).
Probably a bug. New content always has one. It's the law.
Done on D24. Armor and trinkets never changed.
Equipment used:
Heavenly Iron set (+med sword, +med fiend)
Dread Skelly shield (None)
Elite Quick strike (None)
Elite Slash (+Med sword)
Standard Bonuses: Very High Sword, Fiend med
Magma Driver (None; Fiend Med from armor, Heat 8)
Kat - 151
Zombie - 151
Lumber - 151
Crusader - 151
No Fiend Bonus, Same defense on all four.
Hail Driver(Undead Med)
Kat - 184
Zombie - 184
Lumber - 166
Crusader- 166
No Undead bonus
Hevy Deconstructor(Construct High)
Kat - 189
Zombie - 189
Lumber - 228
Crusader - 189
No Construct bonus
Barbarous Thorn Blade( Beast High)
Kat - 245
Zombie - 245
Crusader - 245
No Beast Bonus
Furious Flamberg (Gremlin High)
Zombie - 195
Crusader - 195
No Gremlin Bonus
Big Beast Basher/Super Slime Slasher(Slime High, all I had)
Zombie - 15/15
Crusader - 15/15
No Slime bonus
They are currently Untyped. Considering Vanaduke follows the same rules, probably not a bug.
Awesome test, very thorough.
Thanks a bunch! =)
I'm amazed you had a weapon that had a bonus for each family, because I know I don't.
wow I agree with this. You must have done this danger mission ALOT. Im not even gonna ask you how you beat the mission wth
Big Beast Basher and Super Slime Slasher.
So I guess the conclusion is none of the bonuses works on the crusaders. Maybe armor like mentioned above...
Argent Peacemaker, solo:
Kats and Zombies - 126 per shot
Crusaders, Howlitzers, and Deadnaughts - 116 per shot
Lumbers - 93 per shot
They are undead, their defense is just higher.
D25, Raidiant Silvermail, Argent Peacemaker(Undead high)
Kat - 147
Zombie - 147
Howlizter - 126 in the first room, 147 for the rest
Deadnaught - 126
Slag - 126 <- Never thought about this one, but nice to know.
Crusader - 117
Lumber - 117
Nope, still not there.
If it isn't a bug, it should be changed. Bonuses per monster type are extremely weak compared to bonuses per weapon type. And if its supposed to be the same as vanaduke... shouldn't they be weak to piercing? And why is vanaduke weak to piercing anyway? Shouldn't he be changed to undead? The Jelly King was changed to be a slime... and they aren't trying to pass the Roarmulus Twins or Snarbolax off as something they're not.
Lostillusion: Try it on D24 with only a peacemaker and no extra damage bonuses, undead or otherwise. You should get the same result as I did.
It's possible they are buggy against stacked damage bonuses or something, but they definitely take Undead bonus damage.
Could just equip damage trinkets or gear that gives a general attack boost if you want to do bonus damage to them. Can tell you my brandish/hammer/whatever I bring does the same damage to undead as it does to the Almire knights because I use the general attack bonuses and don't waste time trying to use family specific bonuses.
Or to make it more simple. Wolver armor, Shadowsun, Merc Demo/Mad Bomber/ Bomblolastic?, damage trinkets, bts.. think I've given enough examples.
D24 AP, no extra bonuses
Kat - 127
Zombie - 127
Howl - 127
Crusader - 113
Lumber - None showed up
Every undead in the last room - 107
Glacius, Sword VH, no undead
Kat - 352
Zombie - 352
Howl - 352
Crusader - 352
Last room - 285
Try your run again?
Iv noticed that too. My AP DOES show orange numbers, so Im guessing I am dealing effective dmg against them, but the number themselves dont seem to have gone any higher.
Constructs? :P