yo epic, sup man! how you been?

@Rawr: Actually, I heard Shock knocks down the invinciframes during spasms from somewhere... so the Storm Driver may be advantageous. Though Magma, Hail, and Umbra have got their perks.

And still no comments on the Great Wall of Text back there...

to the lag part anyways, i dont speak of it, but its always there, i guess you can gain skills and anticipate players long term, but i played a single pvp, and could not stand the lag, i go equal kills to deaths from experience, but the lag was still so bad that i never went into pvp again

maybe i can play another and change my judgement, but my first time was not very well hosted

you can also say a bit about autoaim, it is not as good as most people think, when fighting straffing enemies like wolvers and using alchemers and knockback weapons, your manual placement of attacks can do better to track hits on wolvers and be able to shoot that obscene spot next to the enemy to get 3 hits of a rebounded alchemer bullet
of course, not complaining here, AA is still conventionally easier than no, but im just spitting out situations where skill can be used to the advantage without AA

the rest of the reasons i agree to, but at the same time i never want to get mad at someone else, no one says noob to me and i cant say noob to them
and if they do, i will have to befriend them
and brainwash them

I agree with Bromon. Although this thread does have some true and valid points, The OP is a poster I've only ever seen post more-or-less to yell either about other players, whether about a post they made or some random conduct he/she finds selfish and whinny, or about...I'm not going to mention it.

Not trying to start a fight, just explaining myself.

@Orangeo: Well, I have the Hammer as the result of a gift from a now rarely-seen-forumer-by-the-name-of-Iron, and I tried it in LD. Beside the yells of 'P2W' that got aimed my way, the hammer's good, but not great. I mean, if you didn't have defence against a particular type, like Shadow, a GF could kill you instantly too.

Although sometimes I do a get a bit lucky with the hammer and actually manage to kill something, otherwise if I had a KD ratio, it'd be about 4:23 methinks. Even with the supposedly Pay to Win hammer, and with at least average-ish skill (or slightly less), staying alive in LD was never easy for me.

Otherwise, I don't really see the point of this thread. Raising the heat on the forums/among the players is the last thing we need; the players literally generate it already.

EDIT: Also, you never really know who's lying or not. Some people make it obvious they are, or their attitude makes you believe it. Other people may actually be telling the truth. My computer bluescreened once while I was running a T1 arena, and after apologising for my afk because of a bluescreen/dc, they didn't believe me because apparently, the dc icon didn't appear above my head.

I'll re-iterate, making another rage thread was not particularly necessary, considering the present community, regardless of the valid points it may/may not make.

Actually, I think it's all statuses that take away the invincibility frames, giving the ability to internal ricochet.

@Doctorspacebar: tl;dr