I vote for option b.

The unsaid idea is of course a new minigame or mode for it, although I'd rather we get PvE content in the form of new monsters as usual, or perhaps something new for the Auction House, now that they've hurt their own featured auctions.

(Also keep in mind that I don't need recipes or anything from krogmo or play lockdown)

Blast Network.

I might be mistaken, but all suggestions should be posted in the suggestion area of the forums.

Regardless, like a few others said just farm blast network instead of lockdown, and well if you can't be bothered to do both I guess you really just don't want the recipes. Three Rings made it possible for you to receive all the recipes with just 1 total day of grinding BN or LD (24 hours in total) its not that rough with coin boosters stacked.

There's still quite a few generic PvP game modes we don't have, yet:

-Capture the Flag
-King of the Hill (One-Point Lockdown)
-Deathmatch

And a few not so PvP ones. I'd personally like to see a Clockworks race, in which three or so random Clockworks levels are generated and the goal is to be the first party to get through them, with opportunity perhaps to sabotage the opposing team as you go on.

I agree with option b. It's a complete pain to farm these coins most of the time. Until I got used to it. Personally, it got me into LD a bit more but I definitely agree with b.

I would love to sell recipes because I'm sitting on approx 2k krogmo coins, with all the recipes purchased. I can't be bothered to sell mod cals/enamorocks in trade due to thin margins and high quantities already being traded.

Lockdown players would be happier because they get at least two things:
a) another way to cash out their krogmo coins
b) fewer random weak players who are only playing for coins. It's not fun when your team of 4 is half composed of players who are only there for the coins.

Maybe make special Danger Rooms in the Clockworks where it will be: "If you defeat this challenge, you ill gain x mount of Krogmo Coins for showing your fighting Spirit." Or something.

OR the better solution to sell the tokens at the vendor for 200CR each (Because you always get one whether you win or lose, and it costs 200 to enter the Coliseum.) Why not? Or have a choice to pay with cr or tokens.

If not, then option b sounds fine to me.

The missions have enough attention as it is :P

The danger room thingy could work... yes.... maybe finally bring CE prices down to a reasonable price....

You did in a way, but in my opinion it should be plan A. The amount of crowns spent is improportional to the amount of CE spent on K-boosters. Ironicaly, most K-boost users use the boosters because of heart trinkets, that also cost CE.

I mean how can OOO say that these are balanced? Compare to the weapon trinkets;
the 5* is medium
the 4* is low
So the 5* is twice as powerful as the 4*

hearts;
the 5* is plus 6
the 4* is plus 5
Why isn't the 4* plus 3? That's half of 6, it's not in ratio with other trinkets. The 2* heart pendant is in line with a 4* item! So people who use two 3*'s in T2 are basicaly a teir ahead of other players!

Krogmo games take a while and can be tedious to grind through.

Hypothetically, what would happen if Krogmo recipes were available through Basil in the Arcade as boss recipes are?

Say you only get one coin per game of Blast Network, it takes five minutes for one round, each round costs 200Cr to enter, and you just want one of the 4* recipes. That recipe calls for a hundred tokens, but since you only get one token every five minutes that means five hundred minutes and 20,000Cr lost.

At Basil it costs 10kCr to a 4* recipe and however long it takes you to get you there (T2 or T3 for 4* recipes, results may vary) but you want a specific recipe. That means getting recipes through Basil runs the chance of finding nothing you want. You could be grinding for T2 Basil after clearing T1 on that gate so you have no entry fee for derpbillion years and you might not get it. Might. It is highly unlikely that it will take derpbillion years to find the recipe because that is not a real number. This is ignoring the fact that Basil appears in mission lobbies with recipes relevant to the mission and the Hall of Heroes has the majority of existing recipes. Pretend this is before the mission update and everything except Cobalt can only be found through Basil in the Arcade. The game counts them as boss recipes. Arcade only. For the sake of low probabilities, Basil only has six recipes on every run you try to find your recipe and only one of them is the same star rank. If it takes around eight minutes to clear each average floor because you like to take your time and you only need to clear floors ten to twelve, it takes 24 minutes for you to do a single Basil run in T2. Keep in mind you are using energy to access these floors because you are a very lax player. That means you can only do three runs with a full tank before you have to use reserve or wait even longer. That means 72 minutes spent on the floors before you get to Basil and at least three chances to see what you want. There are a lot of 4* recipes that might show up there. Liquids.

There are currently 78 4* recipes which can appear at Basil. If you add Krogmo weapons it bumps up to 83. That means in the same scenario above it would hypothetically take 5616 minutes (93 hours and 36 minutes) to find one specific 4* recipe through Basil or 5976 minutes (99 hours and 36 minutes) if Krogmo recipes are thrown in there. Every 72 minutes is 90E, meaning totals of 7020E for current recipes or 7470E if Krogmo recipes are included. If you have been following along you know these are the high end numbers. I am not going to do low end.

Compare this back to the first scenario with Blast Network. Five hundred minutes translates to 8.3... hours to get a hundred Krogmo tokens if you only get one token every five minute round and 20kCr for entry fees every game. Solids. On the floor.

How much is time worth?

If we take the current CE price to buy energy (~7900Cr:100CE, ~79Cr:1CE) and compare it to a lax Vanaduke run (an hour), it costs you 50E (3950Cr) and an hour to get ~6000Cr. That breaks down to ~2050Cr an hour.

Going back to the laid back Blast Network trucker, it takes them 8.3... hours to get that 4* recipe and each hour is ~2050Cr and they still have the 20kCr entry fees. That comes down to 37,083 (rounded down in decimals) crowns for that stupid 4* recipe. Lollygagging linguistics.

Wouldn't this raise the price of CE even more? I mean unbindable Krogmo rewards =:

1: rush for more tokens in games > much filling of bribery bar -> CE sink

2: many people selling items for high prices of CE -> CE sink

3: creating alot of alts and getting alot of tokens per game -> problem 2

Am I right?

There should be a way to get these recipies without grinding LD/BN if you don't like it.. so many people play LD games non-seriously when it's clear they don't have an impact because, quite simply, they don't want to be there. It's quite annoying.

There's always going to be someone who doesn't like a certain play mode. If the game were totally filled with shankles, I wouldn't like it (I don't like moving traps). People have their own tastes, rather than trying to make one PvP mode mildly likeable to all, I'd rather it if we simply added alternative PvP modes. But sadly there's only one right now, and that one doesn't allow you to take your equips.

I worked my butt of to get all the Triglav recipes. Took me forever. If they make an alternative way to get krogmo recipes, then anybody who likes the troika lines can easily just get the Triglav recipes and be done with it. I don't want my Triglav to become an easy to get thing, nor any of the other recipes, as I'm sure those who have the plague needle, Triglav, electron vortex, and the stagger storm feel the same way about their krogmo items they've worked to get. That's why they made krogmo recipes, so if players wanted these uncommon different weapons they'd have to work for them, but by doing this, it would be way too easy ti get the recipes.

~Magnicth the Dragon Mage

I don't want my Triglav to become an easy to get thing, nor any of the other recipes, as I'm sure those who have the plague needle, Triglav, electron vortex, and the stagger storm feel the same way about their krogmo items they've worked to get.

Quite the opposite. I worked to get my Plague Needle, but I hated the overall process of doing so because PvP isn't the primary reason I play SK. If these were just cosmetic items that held no gameplay value other than looks then I wouldn't care, but that isn't the case. I'd be quite happy to see them become more readily available. It might invoke a bit more variety in the Clockworks.

This is what I don't get, Blast Network was released last August I think? Why only now have you suggested this? Even if you did a couple games a day from release with a couple boosters on days you had more time to play, you'd have had enough for a couple recipes.

Yes I agree lots of people can't deal with the grind due to lag or other issues but everyone else has already gone through it so why should it change now? It wouldn't be fair on those who have already gone through the process.

A bunch of guildies just recently have dealt with the "grind" of Blast Network together to get those recipes even though they dislike it. It's about who you play with that makes it fun. Sign up together with a bunch of friends and the chances are you'll all get into the same game due to the queues for Blast Network being so low. Make it a more enjoyable task for yourself rather than just complaining about it. It'll feel like less of a "grind" that way.

As Nj has said, if you really wanted it then you would grind for it. Things don't just get given to you the easy way and not everything should be accessible from crowns. Some people have extreme lag while doing FSC but its the only way to obtain Almirian Seals. I don't see people asking for Fang of Vogs to be placed in auctions now and then just because they want one.

Play Blast Network. That was easy.

Integrate King Krogmo as a new Devilite boss.
Bosses -> Boss tokens
Krogmo -> Krogmo tokens

I like option B. To make it simple, they should be unbound so those that actually like PvP can sell them to those that detest the SK version of PvP.