Spiral Knights - Does Elite Sword Focus Module Work?

Does Elite Sword Focus Module Work?

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Sun, 07/22/2012 - 01:16

Vluxor

Does Elite Sword Focus Module Work?

I ran some test on the cool down trinkets for swords. I equipped a 5 star elite sword focus module and a 4 star sword focus module. The swords for testing I used was combuster and divine avenger.

When i compared the charge time reduction to another person's exact same sword, there were no difference in charge time. The charge time was exactly the same on both the swords when compared to another person who does not have cool down trinkets.

Note: The 2 swords itself already has charge time reduction medium.
From wiki (anybody who is lazy to search) - [[[Any weapon may carry charge time reduction (CTR), which reduces the amount of time required to charge the weapon. All weapons receive CTR: Medium automatically when they reach heat level 10. Each level of bonus seems to remove around 7.5% of the weapon's baseline charge time.

These three offensive abilities are rated on a six-point scale, shown below. Each verbal descriptor has a numeric equivalent. Bonuses are additive: two Lows (1s) will add to give a Medium (2), while one Medium (2) and one High (3) add to yield an Ultra (5). Offensive abilities cap at Maximum!; for example, one Very High (4) and one High (3) add to give Maximum!, rather than something above Maximum! Low, Medium, High, and Very High weapon UVs are obtainable; Ultra and Maximum! are not obtainable as UVs on weapons.

Verbal Numeric
Low 1
Medium 2
High 3
Very High 4
Ultra 5
Maximum! 6
]]]

regular cool down without trinkets is medium (2) 2x7.5= 15 percent cool down reduction
so basically i had medium(2) + medium(2)+ low(1) = ultra (5) 5x7.5=37.5 so cool down is suppose be at 37.5% reduction, but the animation with or without trinkets is the same??

Has anybody tried this???
Does the elite sword focus module work??
Or do i need to craft my second trinket into 5 stars to see a difference???
If it does work isn't the charge animation suppose to be faster??

Can anybody verify this?

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 01:33

Aureate

Processing Thoughts of You Always

Hmmm... if you have any swords with longer natural charge times, any difference would be a lot more pronounced. (Gran Faust would be favourite, since the charge is pigslow.)
When you said you used Combuster and DA for testing, were those two swords tested against each other? Because I seem to remember that the heavy sword is a little slower. In that case, if you're the one with the DA, I would be perfectly happy to meet up with you in Advanced Training and test it out.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 01:48

Vluxor

@aureate

no i tested my combuster, divine avenger and trinkets with another person's combuster and divine avenger several times. i couldn't see the difference. you can add me in game if you want to test it out. just make sure you put a message saying sword cool down test or something. i get too many spam friend invites from beggars... my in game name is the same: Vluxor

i don't wanna finish upgrading the trinket if it doesn't work >.>

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 01:57

Asukalan

Things like that, that are

Things like that, that are actually hard to test, are perfect way to make players spend ingame goodies on them while actually they dont get anything in exchange. And how do we know if those things work (or not?) only from 'official' sources of information. Im not saying that things may not work on purpose. There may be bugs that are hard to confirm that make things not work but of course devs wont investigate thing that is not confirmed, but how we are supposed to confirm something that its hard in nature? In the end we can end up with unfixed bug that devs wont fix since we cant prove its a but because of how the game is made...

While other games have numeric vaules, exact times and everything is 'public' so players can confirm if something is working here we have 'bars' of stats, 'balls/piles' of heat and laggy environment to prevents any tests ...

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 02:19

Quandasim

i think it works

i offten use one or two sword focus trinkets and the difference is so noticable, so i think it works.
(sorry for my bad english)

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 03:43

Aquajag

I was using them on the test

I was using them on the test server, and noticed a difference.

I know for sure it works for the bombs. I'm very used to my CTR max from my gear, and can see that i crank them out faster than other players. But yes, even with the Max! reduction, the difference isn't huge. But it is noticeable. If you play long enough with CTR Max! and then switch to CTR VH, you may find yourself automatically releasing the charge early. I do that all the time. But I'm pretty sure we're talking fractions of seconds here. Still worth it.

Ask Bopp. I'm sure he has numbers. He knows Everything.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 04:59

Bopp

data

The guild Lancer Knightz has been collecting extensive and reliable data on swords (and handguns). I happen to know that sword charge rate is their current focus. Each level of CTR makes a clear but small difference in the number of charges per minute of Combuster; that's the sword for which they have the most data so far. Their data so far suggest that the difference is around 5.9%, rather than 7.5%.

Edit: Thanks, Aquajag (I think), but these numbers are mostly collected by Donkeyhaute; I help a little now and then.

Edit: Vluxor, you should also make sure that the swords you're comparing have similar levels of ASI. ASI has a small effect on charges per minute. I don't know whether it also affects charge time, as you've been measuring it, but it might?

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 05:23

Misten

I don't think you can compare

I don't think you can compare with another person. It might be due to lag or some other reasons, other players may seems faster and so the test is invalid.

Example, for guns, other players will "seem" to shoot and bullets travel faster than yours with same stats and vice versa on their screen (best shown in callahan).

I guess the same thing might occur for charge reduction.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 07:00

Juances

Charge animaiton is also missleading, you dont have to wait until it 'finishes' (dat glow and sound confirmation). Just try to release at the exact moment.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 09:42

Vluxor

ok so basically what everyone

ok so basically what everyone is telling me is that the numbers on wiki is off and the charge animation does not necessarily represent the actual charge time. so three rings got lazy to match the animation to the actual charge time...

@everyone else
if you guys were a little confused about my post whether what swords i am comparing. i am comparing combuster vs combuster with cool down trinkets. divine avenger vs divine avenger with cool down trinkets.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 10:02

#10

Tersakaff

Yes, the equipment in the game works. The change is just pretty little.

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