I already have a level 10 blitz needle, and I don't have enough tokens for the toxic needle recipe yet. I really wanted to try out pepperbox, but would that be a waste of a good UV? I do NOT want to sell it.
I got an Autogun CTR high. What should I craft it into?
Sun, 07/22/2012 - 13:33
Sun, 07/22/2012 - 13:40
#2
I already have a bunch of
I already have a bunch of autoguns I crafted, I just don't know if plague needle is worth the CE and work if I already have blitz needle
Sun, 07/22/2012 - 13:41
#3
I would get a cheap autogun
I would get a cheap autogun like Demonicsothe suggests to craft into a pepperbox, then make the UV'd autogun into a blitz, unless you have the patience to get the toxic needle recipe.
Sun, 07/22/2012 - 13:48
#4
Damage-wise, plague is behind
Damage-wise, plague is behind compared to blitz. Using vana as an example because that's where the two gets compared the most. Plague relies on poison, increasing the damage to vana for the whole group. I believe you need to have the plague fire first, and proc poison on the first few shots of the charge, and have 3 blitzes firing after to make up for not having 4 blitz instead.
Sun, 07/22/2012 - 13:56
#5
Blitz Needle
Blitz Needle. I know that you already have one; it's time to get a better one. Yes, this is cheaper than rolling UVs on your old Blitz Needle. I have done it a couple of times on various items. It's heartbreakingly rational.
Sun, 07/22/2012 - 14:35
#6
Blitz needle.
Blitz needle.
What's the UV on your current one? If none, vendor.
Sun, 07/22/2012 - 18:41
#7
Go pepperbox!
Woah,guys.While blitz would be the obvious choice,and plague needle after that,don't underestimate the volcanic pepperbox.I have one myself.While its not really concentrated on damage,the fact that its a normal damage type makes it a better as an all rounder,plus the fire can come in handy.The normal shots arent near as good as the charge,so that ctr would come in handy.If you decide to not try out the pepperbox,then either:
1.Vendor the blitz needle and make a new one.
2.Grind PvP for the plague needle recipes while keeping the blitz needle.
If you want to try the pepperbox but want to go with the plague needle or new blitz route,then you can easily get a cheap autogun off the ah to make into your pepperbox.Either way,thats a pretty fancy uv ya got there and i hope you figure out which route works the best for ya.
~Magnicth the Dragon Mage
Sun, 07/22/2012 - 22:12
#8
Eh.
You've forced yourself into selecting from an array of crappy choices, and want to know which one is least crap? Tough call.
Selling it or making a new Blitz is the obvious best choice.
Plague is second best, but you'd still never be better off using it than a Blitz.
Pepperbox is the worst choice of all, because it's even worse and more useless than the Plague. But in practice the difference is small, because the relevant thing is that in both cases, you'd have been better off with a new Blitz or more CE. Unless you really want to use an Autogun again Constructs or Slimes, in which case knock yourself out.
Sun, 07/22/2012 - 22:50
#9
The only thing "crappy" about
The only thing "crappy" about blitz needle is that I already have one.
And I've seen some video of Volcanic Pepperbox, it doesn't look useless at all. And rapid shots+moderate fire is great to have against big slow enemies (constructs and slimes)
Why do people hate on plague needle so much? Shouldn't the STRONG poison make up for the weak initial damage? I personally would have much rather had that than blitz but it was too late.
Mon, 07/23/2012 - 03:23
#10
There's nothing crappy about Blitz.
I meant that the choices you've narrowed yourself down to (Plague or Pepper) are crappy. Blitz is great. Selling it would be great, too.
I have a Fiery Pepperbox. I doubt I'll ever upgrade it. The line is fun to play with, but if you're looking for effectiveness. . . . Well. It does make an okay lumber-/slime-killer, but there are so many better lumber-/slime-killers out there.
Mon, 07/23/2012 - 03:50
#11
Sell it or make a new
Sell it or make a new Blitz.
Just my opinion, but Blitz is a necessity for FSC and to have a good Blitz makes a good bit of a difference. If you don't grind FSC that much, then go ahead and make it into something else.
Mon, 07/23/2012 - 05:30
#12
@Blitz being necessary for squat...
Sell 'em both, the autogun'll give you plenty alongside your well-made blitz. Plague's a pvp wep for extremely 1337 gunning, I typically use it as a niche recon blasting weapon when I decide to be an all-out fluffy boy.
Buy recipes for and get a good UV'd hail driver or storm driver, become pwn'er of vana once again sans shiver. Turn everyone red when you laugh at them asking "who has shiver?"
Profit off the fact that you could solo vana without a shiv or blitz in sight. Start carrying t2 players through vana.
DPS + status as a bonus for the win. Always.
Mon, 07/23/2012 - 11:01
#13
@Skold-The-Drac
u high bro?
Mon, 07/23/2012 - 13:02
#14
I do NOT want to sell it.
I said this in my very first post.
Mon, 07/23/2012 - 13:12
#15
Plague isn't a bad weapon. It
Plague isn't a bad weapon. It is only bad when compared to a blitz's dps. And even if you proc the poison on the very first hit of the charge, the difference in damage is still in blitz's favor.
Mon, 07/23/2012 - 13:14
#16
Blitz Needle
Blitz Blitz Blitz!!! you can Grind Vanaduke for more cr!!! Poison next cause everyone underestimates poison and its damage boost so you can poison Vanaduke then Blitz needle for even faster cr!!! Volcanic pepperbox needs to be converted to elemental
Mon, 07/23/2012 - 13:26
#17
grinding vana is BORING. I
grinding vana is BORING. I only do it like three times a week.
Mon, 07/23/2012 - 13:34
#18
Hi Larry
Mon, 07/23/2012 - 14:00
#19
If you're happy with your
If you're happy with your blitz needle, and don't really want the other weapons... remember that you have the option to auction off the autogun UV to the highest bidder. Then you could spend the money- probably quite a lot- making other items that you do want.
Mon, 07/23/2012 - 14:19
#20
Hi Larry.
Mon, 07/23/2012 - 21:54
#21
Agree with Pauling
@ Shineep: Meh, just bored of hearing blitz this, shiv that. That, and you do earn plenty of respect for being able to carry parties with alchemers. p.s. I live at (roughly) 8k ft above sea level. So yes, I'm high compared to the average population located at approx. 1245 ft above sea level...
@Pauling you got it right man. Really the CTR UV can net him a pretty penny. Especially if he goes ahead and upgrades it to 3* of blitz needle line. And I know plenty of stuff I'd love to have/ craft that that would get me.
Tue, 07/24/2012 - 13:21
#22
It depends...I think?
Welp, seeing that are people going "make the blitz1111" and "pepparbokks1111" and both making valid claims, I think it just dwindles down to what you seek in usage, if you're looking for versatility or raw power. Also, you could always make the pepperbox because the blitz is too mainstream.
Tue, 07/24/2012 - 20:08
#23
LOL versatility.
The Pepperbox is the opposite of versatile. Unless you mean it sucks equally in almost every situation.
If anything, it's one of the most specialised weapons in the game: it's useful only when you want to push stuff away or attack heavy/stationery targets. (I guess it's also useful when you want to set fire to a group of enemies, but honestly, any of the other fire-inflicting weapons is better at that.)
Wed, 07/25/2012 - 15:20
#24
Well I already made pepperbox
Well I already made pepperbox now so the argument is moot. And it does NOT suck. It has Strong fire, and you can attack groups as well as single targets (though the damage is spread out) and again it's great for stuff that blitz needle would do little against. (protip: constructs and slimes are practically stationary most of the time, they're slow as hell)
Wed, 07/25/2012 - 16:06
#25
I wanna be the very best that no one ever was...
@Batabii: dont worry.They dont know what theyre missing out on. Volcanic pepperbox is a well rounded weapon,and the fire is extremely useful.Its great for many different situations too. Not to mention the knockback.
To all those who think volcanic pepperbox sucks and is completely useless: its your loss.
~Magnicth the Dragon Mage
Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:38
#26
Oh yea!
I got pepperbox UV fiend low, undead low and CTR med all from crafting!
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 00:24
#27
Bwahaha.
The knockback is terrible; it reduces your single-target damage unless you get right up in the target's face--in which case, why gun in the first place? (BTW, when I said "stationary", I was referring to immunity to knockback, not movespeed.)
Blitz does little against two things: Slimes and Constructs. Against which there are a great many more effective weapons than the Pepperbox. Combuster, for one.
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 00:51
#28
Well one reason to use more
Well one reason to use more gun is because of DPS. I haven't gotten volcanic pepperbox yet, but I have a good feeling it does more dps than, say leviathan blade.
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 02:10
#29
Haha, maybe?
It probably does, unless you compare it to a Levi charge against an immobile/cornered target. I don't see why you'd compare it to a sub-par weapon, though. Why not compare it with weapons that are actually good.
Put it this way: Blitz is flat out better except against Constructs and Slimes. So if the Pepperbox is to shine, it must be there. Well, what could one use against those that would be better than a Pepperbox? How about: any Elemental or Shadow weapon (depending on which enemy)? Combuster in particular clears out any non-fire-resistant enemy (of those two types) faster than a Pepperbox possibly could. It even does knockback, too. . . .
Not saying Pepperbox is totally worthless, just sub-optimal in every situation. I wish it were otherwise; then I could justify upgrading my Fiery to a Volcanic.
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 07:51
#30
I was simply comparing two
I was simply comparing two weapons of the same damage type.
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 08:36
#31
Which is fine.
In a world which only contains those two weapons.
But that world is not the world of SK. A useful comparison would be to the real alternatives, not to a random (not very good) weapon which happens to also be normal.
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 11:27
#32
It's generally unfair to
It's generally unfair to compare any Normal weapon to any typed weapon because it's almost ALWAYS going to be inferior. But that doesn't mean you absolutely shouldn't use normal weapons, or that ALL normal weapons are bad.
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 21:06
#33
Why doesn't it?
From the PoV of performance (not fun--of course fun is a perfectly good reason to use anything, however crappy), that's exactly what it means.
Sat, 07/28/2012 - 11:16
#34
The greatest testament I've
The greatest testament I've heard to why the V. Pepperbox DPS isn't really all that great: a friend of mine who has one and enjoys it can't kill the Slag Guards in the final wave of Legion of Almire while solo because the silkwings outheal the damage. With Blitz, it's not that hard.
Say what you want about the knockback utility of Pepperbox (honestly, knockback is not a big deal in Spiral Knights imo), a Blitz with CTR is a beautiful weapon that is useful nearly everywhere, and I carry mine everywhere, literally - it's the one weapon I always equip. Pepperbox is basically an entirely different weapon from Blitz, and competes for the UV slot. There's nothing inherently wrong with a CTR Pepperbox, or using a Pepperbox, it's just questionable about the monetary value of paying out the nose (or eating a "I didn't sell this") for a UV whose price is based on an entirely different weapon on which it really shines.
You could always get a cheap autogun off ah to make your pepperbox while grinding tokens.