Hi!I would like to ask what shadow gun i should make for Ice queen and JK.I saw some topics about senteza vs the umbra driver but i am a bit confused..Thanks..
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Thu, 07/26/2012 - 06:51
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 07:58
#2
I'd say Umbra Driver. Umbra Driver excels more in large, dense crowds than Sentenza. Sentenza is better to pick off survivors, while Umbra damages large crowds (sometimes heavily if you can get the ricochets nice).
EDIT** Don't bring the Royal Jelly vs Jelly King argument into this... no one wants to hear it -.-
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 07:54
#3
thanks for the advice!
thanks for the advice!
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 08:08
#4
Processing Thoughts of You Always
@Batabii: Nobody cares. It's a nickname. You understand what they're referring to, why do you feel the unstoppable urge to point out the obvious at every single turn?
@Thorfinns: An Umbra Driver is good at getting high damage on one target or on a crowd, due to its ricochet ability. The Sentenza has more mobility and good DPS, but lower damage per shot and no ricochet effect. However, there's also the Biohazard, which has a chance of poison and can cause explosions with the charge. The bullets are very slow, though, and it is a fairly specialist gun. It would be well worth investigating if you plan on doing a lot of RJP runs, but otherwise you would probably find an Umbra Driver or Sentenza to be more general-purpose, not to mention easier to use effectively.
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 08:23
#5
Ahaha.
JK JK JK
Anyway, Batabii is right re: guns not being optimal. A shadow sword is really best there. But maybe you're a dedicated gunner? If you must gun, I suggest the Umbra, for these reasons:
1) It's better for your DPS and survivability. Move, pop off one shot, move again. With the Sentenza, you either spend lots of time shooting (and being slow) or you don't do much damage at all.
2) It's better for the levels before JK. You fight lots of clumped slimes--perfect for the alchemer ricochets.
3) It's easier to get a UV on. You can pick up a useful Slime Med or CTR Low 2* off the AH for a few kcr.
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 10:49
#6
JK=just kidding
What? Sentenza is GREAT on dense crowds, as long as you charge it first.
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 11:03
#7
Alchemer is even better on
Alchemer is even better on dense crowds. Both on shots and charge.
Don't listen to people saying guns are useless against jk. I did it in 4* gunner gear, which has the same bonus as 3*, except with a tad bit more defence. I used the shadow driver, the 4*, and it works perfectly fine. Takes a ton of clicking, but that's it. A pulsar line gun is greata for clearing out crowds of mini jellies, since they all die in one hit.
On the other hand, biohazard and its predecessors is great for the jk fight, although not necessarily for the floors before it. I don't know enough about it to comment on its regular shot dps and charged explosion dps.
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 11:22
#8
I didn't say guns are useless
I didn't say guns are useless against RJ, just that you're generally better off using swords and bombs against RJ. And don't forget that Sentenza's charge pierces mobs.
Regardless, GF/Faust's Curse + shadow damage makes it a GREAT weapon against RJ if you can just beat it enough to get the Sealed Sword first. Otherwise status bombs are extremely helpful.
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 11:36
#9
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This question has been answered a bajillion times before, but the strength of antiguas is in their easy of use. Alchemers can outperform them in almost any situation, but you have to put more effort in.
Lining up ricochets, clipping enemies, swapping guns to prevent reloading...if these sound like things you want to be doing, get an alchemer. Otherwise go for the antigua.
If you don't use the alchemer properly, then antiguas are better for single targets and alchemers for clusters of enemies.
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 11:43
#10
I don't see how Drivers are
I don't see how Drivers are better against single enemies, given it's almost impossible to get a shot to richochet "inside" a smaller enemy (i.e. not lumbers).
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 12:05
#11
Sentenza Charge = Suicide in a Shadow Lair
You're standing still, dense mobs, 95% of the time point blank range, small space and even smaller window of opportunity.
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 12:18
#12
"almost impossible to get a
"almost impossible to get a shot to richochet "inside" a smaller enemy"
Another example of someone with no skill in gunning giving advice.
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 12:33
#13
Most people can't afford
Most people can't afford shadow lairs, and besides, you're not supposed to use guns at point blank range unless you have Blitz Needle. The whole point of sentenza is to stay far enough away to have time to pull off your charge without getting hit
@demonicsothe luck is not skill.
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 12:34
#14
Clearly Larry plays with autoaim on.
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 13:03
#15
Clearly.
Clearly.
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 13:42
#16
Guns shouldn't be used against RJ? I can and have seen others take him down in less than 2 minutes with a sentenza.
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 14:32
#17
Hi!I would like to ask what shadow gun i should make for Ice queen and JK.
Most people can't afford shadow lairs,
Your point is irrelevant when he is asking specifically for Ice Queen. Also, I know about 200 people who can make 450 CE in a few days. Its not that people cant afford it, its that people can't arrange it, which if you have good friends and prior notice, isn't that hard.
Also, Umbra Driver's Charge (~500 damage + 4 x 250 + ricochets) does far more damage than Sentenza's charge (~300).
Thu, 07/26/2012 - 14:41
#18
There's a video of Nalrayi
There's a video of Nalrayi using guns only on the Ice Queen, switch shooting with a Magma and an Umbra driver. It looked pretty effective.
-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbC4QI81Kxo
It would also work fine with the regular Jelly King.
Being that in RJP most of the jellies come at you in a mob, the ricochet on the alchemer works much better than the single shot-single enemy sentenza.
@ Batabii: The age old "if you aim slightly to the right..." and turn of auto aim while shooting with an alchemer will get you to land multiple ricochets on small monsters. Also, you get even more shots in if they attack/ walk right into your shot. (ex: zombie jumping, you shoot and it gets hit mid jump/ "lands on" your shot)
That's RJ, and you'd probably be better off not using guns on them anyway.