The ridiculous range of the toothpick.
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 13:24
http://imgur.com/AbGTa
I should not be able to hit that switch from that far away...
Doesn't match up with the animation at all.
OOO, fix this. It is so stupid.
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 13:49
#2
How does a shockwave deal piercing damage?
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 13:55
#3
It comes from a piercing
It comes from a piercing weapon, so it has a piercing shockwave. What kind of shockwave were you expecting?
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 14:18
#4
lol
I can already see some of the forumers are coming out of the shadows and posting to protect their toothpick.
It makes no sense that it makes a shockwave. It makes no sense the shockwave is pierce. Oh, and it makes no sense their is no animation for the shockwave, so no one can expect it.
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 14:38
#5
Since it's an image and doesnt really show anything, I want to belive you're joking.
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 14:46
#6
Ok then.
I shall download some video recorder thingy (any suggestions?), go back and record it if you like. I know, it's hard to believe I can hit the switch from there, I was trying to show it the best I could with a picture.
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 14:45
#7
Or...
if someone else has a toothpick and can record, I would appreciate it if you uploaded a video hitting a switch from a ridiculous range.
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 14:55
#8
Hmm
Maybe it splits the air creating a wave of nothingness, then when the nothingness impacts the switch, the air comes back creating a pulse strong enough to activate the switch and harm players.
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 14:59
#9
2lazy
mite do l8r
But really, I was joking obviously. :P
It's the only way to explain it.
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 15:04
#10
Toothpicks are balanced
The toothpicks extend their reach when you swing by roughly 70% thus allowing you to reach targets further away. It makes total and complete sense and toothpicks should not be nerfed.
I am not saying this because toothpicks are ridiculously overpowered or anything and that all us Lockdown nerds would rather not have the best weapon ever in-game nerfed so that we can continue to rack do 30K+ damage, nope.
/Jelly King
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 15:12
#11
...
It extands a whole 70%? Ok, makes no sense how it extands that far, and it doesn't match up with the animation at all. I'm going to need to record this so you can all see that it blatantly does not touch the switch. I think that's why people hate it in PvP, because people are countlessly getting hit when obviously looks like they're out of range.
I'm thinking one of two things should happen :
Make the animation show it's ridiculous range, or nerf the range to match the animation.
oh and Ters, I knoew you were joking xp
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 15:13
#12
~
Be carefull with what you wish, for all we know OOO will fix it by extending the shockwave to match it up then laugh at us.
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 15:19
#13
Ok
As long as I can see it hit me, I'll be happy. It will be a little more predictable.
I understand nerfing it's range will result in a lot of rage from the community...
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 15:38
#14
FALCON PUNCH!
Bandicam is a good screen recorder.
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 16:40
#15
o...
...mg
There are so much worse bull s**t weapons to complain about. *cough* Pew pew pew, bom bom bom *cough*
There is nothing significantly disturbing with piercing swords compared to other weapons.
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 16:44
#16
FALCON PUNCH!
Like my Polaris that I use to own people on my gunner alt? the same one that I got 15k damage with? NO! DUN NERF MY STUFFZ!
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 16:46
#17
...
Like what? The flourish line is the most complained about weapon... well, that and the Polaris.
I just hate being hit when I'm obviously out of range... And if people don't want the range nerf, then I'd settle for an animation to line up with it's range.
@Fallconn : Thanks, I'll look into that.
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 17:02
#18
FALCON PUNCH!
@Juances I think you mean "believe", Since I'm not sure I know what "Belive" means.
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 17:18
#19
Typical scrub logic
omg u neweb y u h8 on tuthpik 4 jus cuz u cant dogd a ten foot long invisable shokwaiv dusnt men its brokin it jus mens u suk nd u shud uninstal the gam
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 17:29
#20
Sorry for the crappy quality...
So I guess the recording software makes my game lag like hell, but its not like it matters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eqR11m0i0c&
Yes, its crappy, but I didn't have the time for a fancier vid.
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 17:33
#21
Moo~~
ohhh ya................hits 2.5 boxes in front of you..........very nice.........let it be nerfed
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 17:36
#22
Whoa, Hr, what the antic panties did you record that with?
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 17:40
#23
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Mon, 07/30/2012 - 18:20
#24
Dxtory, I read it didn't lag,
Dxtory, I read it didn't lag, guess a gazillion ppl on the internet lied.
Oh well, blame the resolution on windows movie maker because I didn't feel like opening premiere for this, and I just clicked the first resolution on the list when saving it.
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 20:01
#25
Troooof :U
hehe, so true! Thats the way its been for...... ever! I wouldnt expect them to change it now. Besides, imagine the reactions and amounts of complaints of people if it gets nerfed though o_o yikes.
So uhm... im just gonna go with what terkasaff said. Just imagine its like the wind force generated from your powerful swing (woosh!) that is hitting the switch :3
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 20:10
#26
eh... I know there will be complaints...
That's why I'm not really asking for a nerf. I just want the animation to line up with it's range.
But really, the right thing to do is nerf it, no matter how many complaints.
Yeah, it's been like that forever, but look at RSS, they're totally screwing it's mechanics that it has always had.
And thanks for the video, Dalp :3
Mon, 07/30/2012 - 20:16
#27
The flourish series does have
The flourish series does have an absurd range, its funny hitting Vanaduke at stage 3 with one from behind his fireballs. Though I still think Polaris is more annoying but hey.. I've learned how fun it is to spam a RSS in LD. So gunners get polaris, swordies get flourish, and bombers get RSS before they make RSS suck on the main server.
Tue, 07/31/2012 - 09:29
#28
:(
Is refusing to spam Polaris as a gunner, and Flourish as a swordie, the reason I'm bad at LD?
Tue, 07/31/2012 - 10:42
#29
It doesn't make you 'bad', you just have to have a lot more skill to get to the same scores as you would with a Flourish on the same level. In other words, Flourish/Polaris is just 'faceroll' mode. In my books, you're already 'winning' in the fun factor if you aren't using the clone loadout.
Tue, 07/31/2012 - 13:38
#30
True!
I may get the worst damage, but I usually get most caps, and fun.
Recon. <3
Tue, 07/31/2012 - 15:58
#31
If you think the toothpick is bad, you should see the GF range in PvP. :3
Tue, 07/31/2012 - 16:21
#32
Dont nerf a weapon for the sake of PvP...
I don' want my main anti-fiend weapon being nerfed because someone dies too much in LD.
Tue, 07/31/2012 - 16:40
#33
We can settle for a middleground. Slight nerf but longer anims.
Tue, 07/31/2012 - 16:42
#34
@traevelliath
Nerfing the
@traevelliath
Nerfing the toothpicks ridiculous range would not kill the flourish in PvE.
The problem is just the FIRST (most exploitable in PvP) swing having a freaking MASSIVE hitbox while the sword itself is the third fastest in the game behind the spur and cutter lines.
A simple fix for would to make the toothpick combo poke>poke>swing or poke>swing>poke instead of swing>poke>poke.
This would get rid of the reason these swords are so broken in LD while keeping PvE effectiveness.
Tue, 07/31/2012 - 16:44
#35
Serell, they still wont get
Serell, they still wont get it, here, let me help:
Edit that into the OP.
Tue, 07/31/2012 - 19:35
#36
The wide first swing is part of its effectiveness in PvE though. Devilites, Wolvers, and Greavers are fast and small-ish targets. I rely HEAVILY on a large and fast swing to even hit them most of the time. I especially rely on the range of it to clear away the mobs of Wolvers that mob me en masse, to chip scuttling devilites, and to knock away swarming Greavers.
Once again, most complaints come from people being killing in LD, beyond the "It looks wrong" complaint (which is more a problem with the in-game model, not the weapon mechanics).
Tue, 07/31/2012 - 19:57
#37
Flourishes are already
Flourishes are already subject to a social nerf: Skolver is by far the most common armor, and high piercing UVs are prized. There's a strong incentive to use any other sword at all, simply to get around the fact that almost any opponent will have high defense against your weapon.
Tue, 07/31/2012 - 20:05
#38
@Pauling
Not really. Wear full Snarby with Shadow UVs or full Vog with Elemental UV's and you'll still be smacked by GFs/DAs+Hammers (Respectfully).
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 03:19
#39
Oh this...
Okay, I wanna show you just HOW broken it is...
I have a Video here... Slowed down by ancient plate, so you can see how Crazy the range is... Only the Sudaruska has anyright being able to TOUCH that switch, from that range.
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 08:42
#40
Once again, that seems to be more a problem with the in-game model than the sword's mechanics.
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 12:06
#41
So then....
We're gonna have 2* Flourishes that are the size of a Suda? What?
-.(\
Tell me, How is that gonna fix anything? Oh yeah, The sword matches the animation, but now a lil baby knight has swords that are just stupidly big for the rest of the game. It just... is quite stupid, IMO.
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 12:15
#42
Trae,
If you read what we're saying, we're suggesting many different things to happen. I think the range should be downright nerfed to match the animation, for only a Suda should dream of hitting that switch from that far. If that can't happen, then I believe there atleast needs to be an animation to show its full range. Juances brought up a good idea of making a middle ground. Cut the range a tad, and move the animation up to it. Sirus brought up the idea of having it either go poke > swing > poke or poke > poke > swing, which doesn't sound bad either.
You say you rely on a huge hitbox to hit devilits/wolvers? Then get a heavy sword. If you want do do super effective damage, get a piercing weapon, if you want an easier time hitting them, get a heavy sword. Or there needs to be a penalty for large hitbox + speed + invisible shockwave.
I think OOO needs to introduce many different things on the test server to see what nerf helps the toothpick the best. Maybe nerfing the range might be bad for PvE (though I dought getting in actual range will be that big of a deal).
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 12:30
#43
To be honest
Topthpicks SHOULD have lots of range, Just not sideways
'they' need to make the model a bit longer to match it~
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 12:42
#44
Yes. That.
What Diamond said. Also, HAAAAI DIAMOND!
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 12:45
#45
I'm surprised nobody has said anything about Mecha Knights having puny little daggers as weapons and a bigger range than FF.
You see,
You aren't actually touching the switch,
The shockwave from your powerful, rapid and furious swing is touching it!