In T3 wolves don't herd into the corner, they teleport behind you. Pop-pop-growl-bite.

The special is terrible compared to Leviathan or Avenger. Faust's special has its own problems, but is powerful... if you have remedy caps onhand for when the power hits back.

If a spur sword had a 360 charge attack that'd be a lot better, with or without the 4 projectiles, but I don't see it happening. 360 is a calibur-line specialty so far.

And my particular peeve about the movement of spur swords is that the -first slash- moves you. This is very annoying in spike-grids and thornbush mazes, places where you really do want to hold still as you slash.

Matoro be trollan?

Probably, but Winmillion still remains pretty garbage in comparison to the big boys (Sealed-Swords, Levi, Dread Venom etc)

Are people just completely forgetting Winmillion's bonus v. blocks and minerals? Take out minerals and stone blocks in 2 swings! That kind of convenience and time-saving is worth anything in my book.

But seriously I use a Winmillion, because I am only up to T2 and the weapon hasn't become useless to me yet. I understand perfectly well that other weapons are better, and that I will need them come T3, but for now I have fun with my quirky Link-with-full-health sword powers.

I must say though, that even in the peaceful realm that is floors 9-17, that damn special attack is utterly worthless.

Winmillion is awful.

And this is coming from someone that's used it and has more experience with it than Mataro could ever hope to accomplish.

1. Its lunge combo is a GREAT way to get yourself killed if used wrong, and several Spur users happen to get themselves killed alot because of this.
2. Its charge attack is godawful. The projectile is slow, the windup speed is slow, enemies will dodge, damage output is mediocre.
3. Its damage output is somewhat similar to a Vile Striker, but VS has a superior charge and poison status. Plus it goes to 5*.
4. The projectiles shot out EVERY slash makes enemies use their defensive maneuvers. Slimes, most fiends and construct, and Chromalisks lack such defenses, but the damage from the projectile does not make constant dodging from enemies worth it. As a result, Winmillion lacks cornering abilities.
5. It was nerfed. At one point it was the absolute king of DPS (when the Cutter series was severly nerfed) because the damage bar was comparable to that of a Troika and even the Leviathan Blade. It is totally biased but the damage output now is just meh.

Charge attacks.
In Tier 1, arguably not so useful, maybe too time-consuming for that difficulty.
Tier 2, they have good use, can be great for getting that first attack/burst damage when that switch is activated, and may have viable utility now.
Tier 3; almost entirely useful.

Most, if not all things, should be doable without charge attacks.
But in Tier 3, you could say it's more the latter.

The Calibur series has a great utility of a charge, having a strong 360 slash with great knockback.
Perhaps you might not need it now, but it will prove true an asset later.
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Brandish is similar to the Calibur line, but the series now has explosive charge attacks, akin to a Retrode beam. Damage is well, and does Elemental/Shadow along with Normal, depending on your upgrade path.

Flourish is about average pre-4*, but the charge attack gives nice damage. The swordplay complements its strengths, 'catching' those its damage-type is good against, since Wolvers and Devilites move about much. It's also well for pushing out Silkwings.
I enjoy using the charge against Gremlins.
Could be fun.

Sealed Sword series is like the Troika line - slower swing speeds and a 2-hit combo. This can be made into one of what are agreeably the two strongest/best swords in the game, Divine Avenger and Gran Faust. Could be a thing, but more of a bring-to-endgame.

Cutter series can be fun. You've been seeing the swordplay, so I won't describe it. Just go with Vile Striker if you ever carry one further.

I don't understand why people dislike the Proto Sword so much? Is it because they don't know how to use it? They don't like the looks of it? They don't play enough Korean MMOs to enjoy it properly? What?!

What is with players always go with the fast swords of the "nooby" Winmillion series? How come they are so popular? Yeah, they are fast. But they are terrible with combos and the forward momentum is very bad.

The reason why I brought this topic up is because I want to delete my 2nd character. It was dumb of me to create another character thinking there would be an option to use all your characters' Proto Swords simultaneously at some point in Spiral Knights. But I have doubts, and I don't think its going to happen. But that is not the point here! Even if I can't delete my 2nd character. I just want to understand why people always goes with the "fast" Winmillion series, and why its so popular?

Also, I used the Winmillion series before. It is awful because of its derpy projectile. Bad investment on my part. =( That is why I wanted to got rid of that Arc Razor and I sold it for absolutely nothing! Not only I made a bad investment, but I sold the sword with no price not thinking! I had to get rid of that awful sword so badly, that I didn't want to think of the profit! That is the story of how I became a Super Saiyan.

I don't understand why people dislike the Winmillion so much? Is it because they don't know how to use it? They don't like the looks of it? They don't play enough Twitchy-Based shooters to enjoy it properly? What?!

What is with players always go with the slow swords of the "nooby" Avenger and Faust? How come they are so popular? Yeah, they are powerful. But they are very slow and maneuverability is very bad.

The reason why I brought this topic up is because I want to sell my 2nd winmillion. It was dumb of me to buy another Winmillion thinking there would be a duel wielding option at some point in Spiral Knights. But I have doubts, and I don't think its going to happen. But that is not the point here! Even if I can't sell my 2nd Winmillion. I just want to understand why people always goes with the "slow" Sealed-Sword series, and why its so popular?

Also, I used the Sealed-Sword series before. It is awful because of maneuverability. Bad investment on my part. =( That is why I wanted to got rid of that Faust and I sold it for 19k! Not only I made a bad investment, but I sold the sword with a low price not thinking! I had to get rid of that awful sword so badly, that I didn't want to think of the profit! That is how much I absolutely hate the sealed-sword series.

^Thats what you posted since its many questions in one I will try to break it down question by question best I can.

I don't understand why people dislike the Winmillion so much? This question is well honestly hard to answer many people have dislikes such as the stats, does not come with given bonus they like ( Damage vs undead) it only goes up to 4*. The speed factor may make it hard to control does push you up a little (Extra step or two when using it). Like I said from the start everyone has his or her dislikes and likes hard to pin-point them all.

Is it because they don't know how to use it? I do think its not because of this most players may tend to not use a weapon they dont feel comfortable with thats my whole view. I hate the whole cutter series since well its hard for me to use it in mob-controlling thus I tend not to use my wild hunting blade.

They don't like the looks of it? This may be another reason which goes with your first question...like I said players are all different hard to pin-point it.

They don't play enough Twitchy-Based shooters to enjoy it properly? Not sure...you can try to take a random sample of about 200 to 500 players and ask them to find out I guess.

What is with players always go with the slow swords of the "nooby" Avenger and Faust? Well, lets break this down in my view why people pick these two swords are the following:

1. The Look
2. The Power they have
3. Graun Faust - Works well against Slimes and Gremlins
4. Divine Avenger - Works well construct and undead
5. The Divine Avenger - has a great charge attack
6. Graun Faust - can curse opponents which is handy
7. Most players are able to control this sword line easily (easy to use)
8. Many more...

Basically in my view these two swords are slow, but can get the job done and well covers you against 4 types of monsters which is pretty handy.

These swords are slower, but you can always fix that by wearing certain armors and obtaining certain uv's on the swords, and well its worth the price to some to have an avenger or faust series sword only because it makes solo'ing pretty easy.

Also, I used the Sealed-Sword series before. It is awful because of maneuverability. Bad investment on my part. =( That is why I wanted to got rid of that Faust and I sold it for 19k! Not only I made a bad investment, but I sold the sword with a low price not thinking! I had to get rid of that awful sword so badly, that I didn't want to think of the profit! That is how much I absolutely hate the sealed-sword series.
^ With this said:

Like I tell many players the challenge is to find the set-up what works for you. Not every player is alike. The best example I can think of is how I have friends who can not handle gremlins, but can handle slime, fiends, and beasts class monsters so easily. So what they do is have great defense stats against gremlins and well make sure their weapons are strong against them as well. Many of the players from preview saw or attempted to play with the gear in game and already have an idea what armor set (or mix) works for them which swords, guns, and bombs they work well with. The Sealed sword line was horrible for you, but it just does not match your playing style...so I guess you just need to figure out a sword that does thats the most I can suggest. Just keep in mind what works for you may not work for everyone else (Vice-Versa)

Well I hope that helps you =)

What i think that would make it more popular is a five star version of the Winmillion.
If it could pack a better punch with the same cool look i think it would be a great sword.

It seems they could update alot of other swords and handguns.

just look at it the only sword that does ranged damage while using normal attacks!!!!!!!!!

Why did you bump this dead thread...

We know it has no 5* version, people mentioned it in this very thread ... 5 months ago!
Although reading Crawdaunt's post, made reading this old thread worthwhile.

For the low attack speeds of DA/Gf just use ASI trinkets from Krogomo crafting thing

There are four reasons why people don't like the Winmillion:

1) The Winmillion moves you forward on every attack. You can use this to your advantage, but it can also land you in traps or in a bad position if you are not careful.

2) The Winmillion shoots bullets on every swing. This causes some enemies (like wolvers and develites) to dodge whenever you attack, and that makes it harder for any sword specialists in your group.

3) People like 5* equipment, and the Winmillion has no 5* form (yet.)

4) The Winmillion's charge attack is not that great. It shoots a large bullet in front of you. The bullet can go though enemies. But if you really want to shoot bullets then you should take a gun. When using swords you are better off with an attack that will knock the enemy back or knock the enemy down, and the Winmillion does neither.

I've never used the Winmilliion myself, but I plan to eventually. I have used lower * versions of the Winmillion. After using the spur for a while, I got used to the playstyle. I enjoy it. It's easier to dance around the room when every attack makes you move. It took me some time to readjust to using regular swords again. Still, I can see why people don't like the sword line. In my opinion the line's biggest weakness is it's charge attack. It looks cool, but its not as useful as the charge attacks from other sword lines.

CLEAR -BZZT-
the only good thing about winmillion is that full wolver set players can use it instead of a gun to make better use of their bonuses. like how bombers use crystal bomb. that is all.
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