Quick Poll: Crystal Bomb and UV Tickets

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Xylka-Mkii's picture
Xylka-Mkii

As the title suggests:

Did you rage craft Crystal Bombs to get in on some free tickets?

How many do you have in possession at the moment?

And Do you think this update will be good in the long run? + Final thoughts before/after the release of the patch.

And this was made before the launch, so if nick says that we dont get 1 ticket per Crystal Bomb in our inventory, don't complain about it :P

As for me:

Yes
I have 2
Can't say much as I'm not a bomber, but as most updates go we all get used to it eventually and think of it as just another part of the game. I do hope it turns out nicely though.

Mikeyye's picture
Mikeyye
I'm not a bomber but,YesI

I'm not a bomber but,

Yes
I made 4, (one with CTR Med, Lucky Me)
This update will be no change in the Economy overall.

I do know someone who made 10+

Aumir's picture
Aumir
Nicely, yep-

- Changing a loved bomb.

- Baiting & switching.

- People who invested in UVs for them.

- Giving variant tickets with each bomb.

What could possibly go wrong?

And I am a proud owner of both RSS and ISB. They don't have variants, but they helped me much on my road. Now I watch them die, one of the reasons I made bombs my priority weapon. No variant ticket will pay this insult to any basic gaming sense.

Enjoy the ones who make burn the market and make loads of crowns with this. I would be ashamed though to follow such a move, in my opinion.

Artistbma's picture
Artistbma
My guild made a little video

My guild made a little video montage for the RSS that Chrizmaniac will post eventually.

Pawn's picture
Pawn
ragecrafting bombs-too risky

YOU WILL HAVE A RIGHT TO COMPLAIN (in my opinion as a humble consumer).

People will have every right in the world to complain if they don't get 1 ticket per bomb crafted. The wording was ambiguous. What's more, it became INSTANTLY clear that players were throwing all their wealth/ce at ragecrafting. It was even asked multiple times in this thread (which has had GM interaction since the question was posed). No GM stepped in and clarified. Therefore it would be a great breach of business ethics (in my opinion) if they knowingly let everyone throw their money/ce away and did not clarify, when clarification was asked for. I understand the counter-point on a very intuitive level. BUT!!!!!! This game is a SERVICE to people who pay for it. If you are in a 'service' industry you cannot take a big dump on your customers. And again!!! What's more is, it would be a breach of business ethics (in my opinion). Almost the worst thing a company in any industry can do is be blatantly unethical in disservice to its customers.

Ranzoh's picture
Ranzoh
Man, I wish I were back in

Man, I wish I were back in the days of June with those kinds of CE prices and mats to sell, doing Vanaduke runs, haze bombs, and having most of the market info streamlined with knowledge of weapons & armor. But no, I just had to act til Nov or Dec and changing my goals from getting all weapons and armor to UVs. When prices rose and having bought a Dusker Coat Normal Max from the wolver seller Hican(guy made a fortune I bet) to combine with my crafted shock max elemental hood and bought shadow high and shock low one. What a bad idea, should've just started with the wolvers piercing which was only a few kce more, having bought the normal max down from 12kce to 10kce :\ Well flourishes CTR VH were bought at 16kce for its rarity I guess back then, so I guess some of us lost out, and have had to spend more time grinding. Alright I'm done rambling.

Tersakaff's picture
Tersakaff

This is.. I dunno, a pretty distorting economical hit, in the: green shards, crystal bomb (and all it's associates), ce and ticket/UV market. o.O
I honestly don't know what to expect for le future.

Asukalan's picture
Asukalan
Waiting for all those rage

Waiting for all those rage topics, if you get 1000 tickets for 1000 type of same bomb, made by all of those who will come here after update not reading prior mail.

Thorancheladra
If people were stupid enough

If people were stupid enough to bulk craft bombs thinking they'd get tickets for each and ended up getting only one, that would only be their fault. Ambiguous doesn't mean the poster (Nick) is wrong, it just means some people are stupid enough to believe unfounded rumours, and I sincerely hope it's gonna be one variant ticket per player and type of bomb max.

Asukalan's picture
Asukalan
Imagine skyrocketing CE

Imagine skyrocketing CE price. If people will hoard on UV tickets they wont have to spend CR on them, more CR to buy CE! And thats what OOO loves, the bigger CE price, the more people will swipe their credit card to get some CE.

Mikeyye's picture
Mikeyye
For all the pure bombers that

For all the pure bombers that have always had my back... This will cause a great loss and devastation to them.

Here Lies
Crystal Bomb

Rest In Peace

Here Lies
Sun Shards

Rest In Peace

Here Lies
Rock Salt Bomb

Rest In Peace

Here Lies
Ionized Salt Bomb

Rest In Peace

Here Lies the Honorable
RADIANT SUN SHARDS

Live Prosperous and Rest in Peace

Xylka-Mkii's picture
Xylka-Mkii
@ PawnNo, I see what you

@ Pawn

No, I see what you mean, I was just trying to prevent some people from flaming every thread with:
"OMG I SPENT LIEK 200CE AND NOW I GET 1 TICKET AWSFHDLDKBJVKJSHBDF"

What I think (or at least want to believe) is that anyone that read the discussion over it knows that they're taking a risk by rage crafting. On one hand, they could get 1 ticket and potentially lose a lot of cash - which I expect and hope OOO will do - or they get a ticket per bomb and are called out for breaking the market (in which case everything gets even more hectic).

I completely agree with you, but there's just not much more to be done than to reiterate the problem to OOO and leave it at that. Raging never really got us anywhere. We can talk about the problem itself as much as possible, but I meant that I would like it if people didn't complain about their own funds as THEY were the ones who took the risk to craft it.

EDIT:
I'm just gonna go with Tersakaff. We don't know what will happen for a while, so all we can do now is wait to see what will happen. Either way, there are going to be a lot of evident market issues.

Pawn's picture
Pawn
This is why this is not a bad idea
Thorancheladra
It's still a bad idea. It's

It's still a bad idea. It's not players' to decide, it's OOO.

Tersakaff's picture
Tersakaff

"the bigger CE price, the more people will swipe their credit card to get some CE."

the lower CE price, the more people will have to buy to get the cr they want.

Pawn's picture
Pawn
@ Tersakoff/Xylka

IDK, UV tickets in boxes didn't distort the market to profoundly. Good UV items will be cheaper for a bit, thus somewhat offsetting the influx of tickets. When ce prices become too astronomical then a Promotion will fix that. Accessories (nice ones) are cheaper than ever (for the most part). So the only true victims would be people who scrape by on Ce prices, but again, that is always fixed via promotion when it is necessary. It just seems like a discount sell on UV tickets for CE. And this will cause 1000's if not 100,000's of uvs to be rolled that would normally not be rolled.

Xylka-Mkii's picture
Xylka-Mkii
@ ThoranErr....OOO decided

@ Thoran

Err....

OOO decided to "sell" these tickets in a different way, and the players decided whether to buy it.

OOO decided to sell a CE promo item for the Winter/Summer Solstice, and the players decided whether to buy it.

Both sides have to chose what to do, or it would be like writing a letter to yourself.

EDIT:

@Pawn

So in that sense, this is kinda like when the Silver Key prices dropped right? Obviously not in the same way, but similar concept right? Just trying to put everything together quickly here.

Njthug's picture
Njthug
Got all my tickets =) Yay

Got all my tickets =) Yay

http://i.imgur.com/kuMAP.png

Little-Juances's picture
Little-Juances
100ce--> 8k Recipe--> 4k Mats

100ce--> 8k
Recipe--> 4k
Mats and stuff---> 3k?
Minimun sell price: -3.5k(npc vendor)
Total: 11.5k

1 variant at punch: 20k

Tickets are bound right?

EDIT: O_O

Ranzoh's picture
Ranzoh
I got the UV right on the

I got the UV right on the spot from the first craft, unless...that was from the machine and didn't count for a ticket? The 2nd bomb I crafted(but haven't done so with alts cause it was too late), but I sold it. So you really do get UV tickets and not UVs on the bombs. Man I'm an idiot. Why did I assume that. I knew it was UV tickets but I didn't know if they were specifically only for crystal bombs and not any other armor or weapon. Njthug's post cleared it up. Thanks OOO, now I gotta f......buy UV tickets from Punch. And after I rolled over x50 on pulsars just to only get ASI Med. I thought they attached a UV(but that wouldn't have made sense on those that already had a UV on it). Why am I....Okay I'm screwed. Now that makes me really weep. I'm done, can't stand others taking time off their game cause they don't have to work. Those UV prices now have to drop to make up for the unclarified....man..I gotta clear my head. I better get 2/3% off from sellers if it's goign to be like that. I can't stand missing deals that I could've benefited from if other people just freaking told me more information and not kept it to themselves. Why do that? I freaking asked if there was 1 limit per star bomb, then I get confused when I get a UV from the machine from the first craft, forgetting that you guys said that tickets will be sent later. Jesus, you know how much money this will save a lot of people, both f2p and veterans? I paid $69 into this game, and this is what I get? I didn't really think they would give a UV ticket per bomb in your inventory. It's just unimaginable. Anybody can get VHs, Maxes, and UV combos now. I mean I had 10kce to splurge.

Njthug's picture
Njthug
Tickets aren't bound

Tickets aren't bound

Poetry's picture
Poetry
What the heck is going on?

What the heck is going on?

Wodanct's picture
Wodanct
This update only servers to

This update only serves to show how stupid the people that thought this was a good idea is. First you got people rage crafting bombs so they get extremely cheap UV tickets, and then you got Three Rings ruining a great bomb and in exchange for some gimped piece of junk.

Xylka-Mkii's picture
Xylka-Mkii
Well. Let the everything

Well. Let the everything commence.

Pawn's picture
Pawn
@ Xylka

Lol, the silver key came to the forefront of my mind when making that post :) I almost included it in my example of how it will effect the price of UV items. Good catch.

Even the same merchanting opportunities exist. Just like you could buy glasses/sideblades/etc for like 45k during Silver Key promo and resell for double 3 months later--now u will be able to buy a 75k ctr med brandish and sell for 120k in a few months. <--the type of example i was too lazy to post originally.

Derpules's picture
Derpules
WTF

Wow. They really did it.

Congrats, Nj and others. Clearly I made the wrong bet by assuming OOO would not do anything so absurd. -__-

Aretii's picture
Aretii
1 uv ticket price: 1k crowns

1 uv ticket price: 1k crowns xD

Murex's picture
Murex
RIP RSS

This is absurd. I can't even believe it.

Xylka-Mkii's picture
Xylka-Mkii
Alright, anyone got any vids

Alright, anyone got any vids of the new RSS? I'd like to see how it functions, but don't really know of anyone that would just happen to be on and have it, unless you would show me in the Training Hall.

Juances's picture
Juances

My first reaction was.. "is that explsoive bird crap?"

Aretii's picture
Aretii
damn you,sk......

damn you,sk......

Ranzoh's picture
Ranzoh
I don't know why everyone is

I don't know why everyone is alright with this. Okay, now that I've given this more thought, I wouldn't have profitted from a guy like myself who was in my situation. Who cares about the bomb, it's about why it's okay to think that people can just relax now and not grind KoA even if I had a bunch of tickets, I'd protest with him, nevermind, probably wouldn't believe me. Fine, have fun selling to the people that had a better chance of getting stuff on their own. I know a lot of people got a lot of tickets, both the apr players getting clear info from the game masters themselves and the f2p or ones with few alts are the only ones that get me thought. I only crafted 1 bomb. Just gotta say this over and over, those unlimited uv tickets is just illogical. I asked if there was one limit, like you know a limit they have for one item only from a coupon? No one wanted to answer clearly. Why do that? I don't think these guys deserve a cr or ce for not being straightforward or responsive. They were just talking amongst others in the zone chat, which wasn't that busy, no clues whatsoever. Just why!? Why so many tickets!?

Aumir's picture
Aumir
@Xylka

Here, from a post just made in the update thread from me:

"Just tested the new bomb. It is absolutely, utterly horrible. Slower than DBB/Nitronome, less RANGE than them, you can only put two of them at the same time - so no "minefield" possible at all, shards DISAPPEAR under some circumstances, and the damage is horrible. Even the 1* "snap" bombs work better if you want a strike+status+knockback, damage aside from tier 2 on."

Xylka-Mkii's picture
Xylka-Mkii
WELL techincally I'm looking

WELL techincally I'm looking at the UV thing personally as a bit of help to the noobies, and a little...more for the richer players. I mean aren't the noobs the ones always complaining that 5* gear is unachievable as F2P, and that UVs are unfair in LD? (Not stating my stand on that) Well now they can have some free UV chances while they grind for more CE and see that only the lucky few or dedicated LD players have UVs and stuff because that's what they work for.

Off topic now. I REALLY want to see the new RSS for myself. Loggin on.

Juances's picture
Juances

The way I see it is the energy that went to oblivion for tickets could have been pumped into the market instead.
UV rolls are supposed to be a crown sink.

Maybe a good move for OOO but still...

Dorael's picture
Dorael
Welcome to the game

Welcome to game economics 101 everyone, where sometimes things happen and if you happened to be at the right place and the right time you can profit. Happens all the time in any game with an economy that gets tweaked/balanced. Be happy if you were there to take advantage, QQ your eyes out if you weren't, it changes nothing.

The great thing about an economy that is primarily player driven (primarily, not completely) is that nothing really matters in the long run. When someone loses out, someone else gains. The spike that the whole UV ticket thing will cause will be a relatively small one in the big picture. The actual thing that matters are the bombs that got changed as it impacts things in the long run. You're welcomed to your own opinion if you want but Three Rings have clearly already given their reasons for making the changes they did. Their interest isn't just in pleasing customers in the short term but making a better game as a whole and thus pleasing everyone in the long term. That is why the bombs were changed.

Tersakaff's picture
Tersakaff

"My first reaction was.. "is that explsoive bird crap?""
I lol'd so hard.
Only because I thought of that too.