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awww once pawn uses logic is doesn't sound like the world will burn after all T_T

The only reason to be outraged is because those people lucky enough to be near a computer and notice the announcement got a massive windfall. Rent-seeking by guys like Tersk who crafted a ton of bombs for tickets is unfair to the larger community who never had a chance. Think big investment banks who get to buy IPO stocks before the public can.

It's the same thing as the side blade giveaway, except that was at least available to anyone online at the time.

Burning CE (which is already at a premium) is going to cause (or has already caused) a short-term spike in prices (until your theoretical promo, which has done jackall to the hovering-around-8kcr prices in the last three months) that hurts anyone who couldn't get in on the great crafting giveaway of 2012. Add that to the bombers' lament over their Undead-focused weapons turning into pierce bombs and it's worth being annoyed about.

That's still too high to me, sorry. Each ticket is like only 4.2 k each. I thought the developers were going to put a ticket limit caused it's rather unthinkable for people to get as many tickets as bombs in your inventory actually(even if they specified inventory, it still would've been more believable that they said only one per star in your inventory, so it wouldn't have mattered if you had another 2* crystal bomb), that's why I didn't want to take the risk and plus wanted to reserve the 10kce to purchase something from a seller. I would've just used them all, I don't want to sell any of them. Forget the ones that already got everything, real sorry man, but just like the haze bomb event, this has left me rather upset with info not going around in time. The haze bomb I understand as I wasn't paying attention to the updates, but the directions here were still...it's just unthinkable to have that many tickets. I'd be set. I'm just here to relax and take less time off the game, not grind more so I'll never be on the same level as those that took advantage of this risk possibly.

She... this is worse than losing out on the haze bomb update. Cmon, give us vets that lost out a chance. That way we don't have to slave ourselves for april players and f2p or people that barely paid instead of making us grind out all the work and pay them. But I know it's not going to happen, can't get the prices too low, or they'll be no business for you guys, while keeping the richest even richer. Sure it's smarter, but who would've thought....unlimited tickets by how much ce you had, plus on top of that, bombs to sell.

It costs 20k to buy a ticket from punch.
It costs 4.2k to craft a bomb.

Even if this was some short term stratagy to make people spend more CE, there is a seriously high chance of hurting themselves in the long run.

20k crowns to use Punch.

4.2k crowns, or 50 CE and 200 crowns to make a bomb.

CE costs real money which is removed from the game by making the bomb. Crowns cost nothing to make other then time effectively... somebody (even if it wasn't you) had to put in time to get them, but not real money.

A nice chunk of CE (real money) disappeared into the aether from all the bomb rage crafting and is getting replaced with crowns (monopoly money) effectively... I do not see the incompetence in that. On the contrary I see a very intelligent move on their part.

~Gwen

It seems to me that the announcement came really late and kind of unspecific of the details of the uv tickets. Just add the term unlimited tickets and the message will be clearer. But obviously people profit from vague words. No doubt, there will never be another event like this again. I didn't think it was going to be bigger than or as big as the haze bomb one. But I was wrong. I'll never have a stupid shop, just had to be busy buying decent stuff. I was laughing at those guys staying at the machine thinking there was a limit on tickets, but I guess they're the ones laughing now. It's great when you only hear the latest updates later on I guess.

And people wonder why the financial system melted into a pile of goo.

It's this exact mindset. Doesn't effect me in any negative fashion, so screw everyone else. Not to mention abuse of loopholes and taking advantage of things in ways they were never meant to be taken. You really think OOO wanted everyone to craft a ton of bombs to abuse this? Or for it to be a goodwill gesture for those who had bombs? It's the latter. I know none, NONE, of you are stupid enough to believe the former.

The true question is why are you trying to moralize your underhanded tactics? Just admit you played the system. It happens. Whatever. But there's no reason to try to tell us you did nothing wrong, or that OOO meant to do this. You did do wrong. And profited. Just like in real life! If anything, this is a great lesson in how the world actually works. People at the right place and time get rich, everyone else can go to hell.

@Gun

Harsh but true. Now could you also tell us how this problem could be fixed? I don't think it can be fixed.

Even though we are all pretty cheap for getting a free ticket essentially, OOO could have thought ahead on their own part and either made it restricted to one ticket per type of those bombs, not mentioning the extra, among other things to prevent this.

Yeah its still one big problem, as is every update as they come out, so I say let's wait.

Let's all just stop talking, and wait a month and see how this one goes over.

I've mentioned this elsewhere but I realized now I should have said it in this thread as it is vastly more appropriate in content.

The amount of money people made/loss/exploited/whatever is so insignificant in the grand scheme of things. I'm looking at just the Featured section of the auction house right now and there are 3-4 million crowns worth in bids. On just Featured, for completely useless items that do not impact game play at all. While I don't pay much attention to the Featured section of the auction house, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that there are always around this much crowns being sunk this way. So what, that's 3-4M crowns every couple of days? This is to say nothing of the actual player to player auctions that go on constantly, which 10% are being sunk. Seriously, how little money do you think has to be in the economy for the UV thing to matter at all?

@Dorael
And I'll repost this here:
"It doesn't matter how few people did this. What matters is that it happened, and this is not tolerable. Nor does it matter that this is a drop in the bucket. As is, we all live in the bucket, and we feel the waves rippling out from the drop."

The market may restabilize, but there was no reason (other than greed) it should have been destabilized in the first place. And besides, you're obfuscating the point. We're talking on an individual level for the most part. That individual people profited in a wildly unfair manner. What happens to the market-at-large isn't what's concerning people all that much. It's how OOO implicitly allows this kind of crap.

And I'm not mad at players who made the right call; I bet wrong, that's all.

But this was an absolutely ridiculous decision on OOO's part. 20kcr worth of UV rolls for every 2* shard bomb in existence? Seriously?

I said it in a different thread so I won't jump on you about this. I would kindly request that you not assume you know what others think or feel about something just because they are arguing on the other side.

As I mentioned elsewhere though, I am not in favor of Capitalism in reality for the very reasons you mention. Capitalism favors profit too much above everything else and leads to many of the problems/corruptions we have. As far as economic models go, I prefer something more of a commune but that has its own problems due to the nature of people/governments.

Reality aside, this is a game. Whereas I do not promote survival of the fittest in reality because, well, actual lives are at stake when people lose the economic game badly, in a game it's mostly for fun. Competition, profit, living and dying, capitalism fits a game really well. If you're not willing to take risks and incur potential loss in order to have potential gain then you likely don't find capitalism to be a fun game. I do, as long as it's just in a game. I suspect it's not playing the game that people dislike but the whole not winning this time that people hate.

I'm just going to take this opportunity to put my own opinion out there, as this seems to be a rare chance where I don't have to argue with someone in one of these threads for a post. I think it was incredibly, incredibly dumb of Three Rings to announce at all that they were going to gift tickets for bombs. I think it was dumb mostly because of the backlash that I assumed would happen (which I thought was understandable, even though I disagree with a lot of it). I disagree with people saying that the bombers didn't get some benefit from it, and I suspect (merely suspect) that this might be Three Ring's position as well. While it's true that the "true bombers" were likely a small subset of the people who got tickets, the fact that all of them did still means that Three Rings did what they meant to do. No matter how many other people got tickets, I don't think Three Rings really cared on the assumption that it won't impact that economy that hugely.

My actual position in things tend to get overshadowed by a lot of the arguing I actually do because I don't think my actual position matters much. When someone says something I think is wrong, no matter what position they take or who they are, I am generally inclined to argue with them and correct them. For the most part today, it involved:

1) the effects on the economy
2) the nature of exploitation relative to an economy and the spirit of the game
3) the reason Three Rings changed RSS

Everything else I typically ignore because I don't disagree/think they're wrong. I'm making an exception with this post because, for some reason, many people have tagged me as "the enemy" thinking I'm playing the devil's advocate for the sake of arguing or some nonsense. That's not the case. I just want you (general you, not you Derpules or necessarily whoever the reader is) to stop being so wrong! And if you think you're right and I'm wrong, for gods' sake make some convincing arguments and counterpoints.

So Manlet, assuming you sold UV tickets at 100% profit (twice the cost to make), and that by tens you mean 20, are you saying that you spent 10 million crowns (122k CE) ragecrafting?

Just want to make sure the math is right here.

Then applaud your gall in taking that dive. I also must show appreciation for having found a market to sell all those tickets to make such a profit so quickly.

"While it's true that the "true bombers" were likely a small subset of the people who got tickets, the fact that all of them did still means that Three Rings did what they meant to do. No matter how many other people got tickets, I don't think Three Rings really cared"

Well, they ought to, because the point of compensating unhappy bombers in the first place was to make them feel compensated. If they get one ticket for their prized bomb, while knowing that others who lost nothing (and had good timing and sufficient resources) were rewarded many times over through the same mechanism, the objective will not be achieved.