I'll be inactive on the forums for a bit, or at least until this entire mess clears up.
I've had enough of being insulted here over my time that I've written here.
This is supposed to be a friendly, warm environment. Right now everything is just... awful.
Before you post things along the lines of "I don't care", "You're wrong", "Move to Gremlin Chatter", just know that I don't care.
I'm leaving the abusive relationship that is the Forums.
Bye Guys
"I'll be inactive on the forums for a bit, or at least until this entire mess clears up."
So yes, I'll be active as long as the forum becomes a better place.
You're still here, don't you have some leaving to do?
D:
Poke! Don't leave! Don't let those bomber people get to you just because you're using logic. ._. I mean, it's nto like I'm saying the new shards are awesome...they really suck. But, just because you're arguing against them with logical reasons, it doesn't give them a reason to insult u. I saw dat thread. -.-
I remember you as one of the first people to give me feedback on my Class Missions idea, back when the Suggestions Forum seemed like a halfway decent place to leave thoughts, and it meant a lot to me.
I can't blame you for leaving the forums. I've been too sick of it all to even crush people's dreams over in Suggestions lately. Heck, I even left behind the label in-game and rejoined <Bear Cavalry>. I might as well make it clear now that I'm reducing my presence here too.
Goodbye, Pokenuevo. See you around whenever.
I can't be the only one here that thinks this must be many people's first foray into a public forums or possibly even just the Internet? These forums are tame compared to most. Though most of the reason for the tameness is probably ignorance. I get the feeling that most people here have never really gotten into another MMO before.
Example: In most MMOs, things are grossly unbalanced (largely due to the fact that most of them ship before ready) and things get fine tuned and tweaked over time, sometimes on a weekly basis. Sometimes some huge change to a class happens years into a game that completely changes it and people who spent years to level and master that class now have something completely different than what they originally planned or wanted. It happens. It is astonishing that people don't understand why.
Example: It's generally understood in most MMOs that the forums represent only a tiny fraction of the player-base. This is even among communities where the forum goers are hardcore and crunch numbers and run simulations on things instead of just making wild assumptions about everything.
Example: People thinking that threatening the company with leaving the game has any impact. Although I'll grant this still happens occasionally elsewhere, most forum goers in other MMO communities know better.
Example: Petitions and surveys. No company that has even an inkling of an idea on what they're doing will take quantity over quality for player feedback when it comes to game play and balance. This is generally understood elsewhere.
Example: Accusing the company of selling out/being greedy/not caring about the consumer. After years and years of doing this, most people realize it's pointless and that, even if true, saying it does absolutely nothing.
Going through these forums is like looking back at how other MMOs and their communities have grown because it really feels like this one is young and inexperienced.
I can see what you mean.
This will all blow over.
No matter how hard they try.
Most will leave after losing their "Emotional Support"(Love over a bunch of pixels). But they will soon be replaced.
Don't worry.
/salute.
@Dorael
It's just that he makes a point, Forums become unreadable with RAGE, so I would do the same. Anyone would do the same, first, second, tenth time, it would be wise to leave until it died down.
Oh, I wasn't saying anything about the poster themself but was just using this thread to voice something that's kind of been on my mind lately. I have a high threshold for pain and putting up with rage/stupidity, but I'm not going to fault someone for wanting to not deal with negativity in their free time.
Yeah, I would love it if this place was a wellspring of kittens and rainbows. I would love it if the rest of the Internet was that way, too. I've just kind of grown accustomed to it not being a nice place and sometimes forget people don't share my.... tolerance, to put it lightly.
Everything nice on the internet becomes like the others.
This place seemed better before.
Eh, these thing always die down. I'm going to stay here 'till the end laughing.
It's never acceptable to post these Soarel threads.
Never.
Never.
kittens and rainbows
Here you go
You can leave now, too.
Tersakoff is a dweeb that thinks anything you jokes you crack is funny. He tried to call me a dog and fetch the switch for him when I played FSC with his overestimated ass.
There are only a few unhateful forumers left during these times, we need to stick together and fight the rage and hate with sparkles and unicorns(representing peace and joy, don't judge me ._.)
Give us something that will exclude other people that profitted from things like uv tickets? We don't need things like unicorns that benefit everyone including the ones that benefitted from people like us? Why is english such a hard subject to understand? There is nothing trickling down to us.
Friend me in-game if you're interested in getting things, I don't do this because I have stuff to spare, I do this out of my love for peace. My IGN is Lightyourfire, or contact me at one of my alts, Lightyourfiretwo, Lightyourfireii, Lightyourfireiii, or Lightyourfireiv
"Tersakoff is a dweeb that thinks anything you jokes you crack is funny. He tried to call me a dog and fetch the switch for him when I played FSC with his overestimated ass."
I'm sorry person I don't know, do you want me to carry you on my back trough a shadow lair as compensation? :(
If I insulted you would you carry me through a shadow lair?
Also, how do you try to call someone a dog? Either you do it or you don't. It's not exactly something you try to do without success, is it?
No because you didn't play fetch with me. :(
(I have no idea what's the dude talking about xD )
:( Bye. Have this cat to accompany you.
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i know negative comments bring you down, but look for the nice people . They are there just look! But if you do leave, ill miss you pokeneuvo TT.TT
Pokenuevo, I understand where you're coming from. Some on my side have been rude. So have some on the other side, at least from my perspective.
The fact is, OOO messed up. Now, when a game company messes up, there are many reactions from players.
#1 is The "THIS SUCKS AND YOU SHOULD GO DIE" reaction: Opponent of the change, driven to complete Keese-dung insanity (or simply were prone to raging before).
#2 is The "Update did ____ wrong, here are some ideas for improvement" reaction: Opponent of the change, rational (for the most part) and tries to back up their arguments, or suggest fixes.
#3 is The "Hey, this ain't so bad" reaction: Supporter of the change, rational (for the most part) and tries to back up their arguments, or suggest fixes.
#4 is The "Everyone who thinks this is bad is a raging idiot" reaction: Either supports the change or is neutral; either way, lumps the first and second reaction in the same category; some variants are simply frustrated, while others are genuinely annoying. If they are against the change, they obviously know they are not like the irrational #1s, and thus are a #2.
There are, of course, middle grounds, and sometimes completely different viewpoints, depending on the mess-up. Now here's the problem we're having.
A lot of #1s and some #2s came out after realizing the Shard Bombs are now junk (and they are). The #2s posted some responses, some of them tinged with the initial frustration of their new bombs being junk, and the #1s raged and raged. Some #3s also posted. Because of the sheer level of #1s, many became #4s. The #2s who had posted any borderline rage-y comments realized their mistake; the #1s did not and continued to rage, some of this directed at said #4s. The whole thing, as negativity on both sides increased, began to pull #2s toward the mentality of #1s and #3s toward the mentality of #4s. Then the whole thing just goes downhill.
I strongly implore any supporters of the old Sun Shards to stop being so angry; this is irrational! Instead, calmly post why the new Sun Shards are now useless/sub-par, and if you can, post some ideas to make them better. When asking Three Rings for a response, don't be overly rude; don't be overly gentle, either, as we need them to know how bad this is. State the facts!
If I have offended anyone on either side in any way, I sincerely apologize.
And there's the #5s who don't care and mind their business.
...and enjoy the show.
And the #6 who don't really think there was any real problem or harm done.
The more I think about it the more I think they just didn't mind if a bunch of other people profited from the "gifts." Like their goal was to make sure if everyone in group A got a gift. If everyone in group A and group B got gifts, they don't care as long as everyone in group A got it.
I look back at when I made this thread. After a really bad day in real life, and the forums, in this time of chaos, is not a good place to go. It has been less than 24 hours, and I know people are going to get all fussy with me. People are going to think of me like Soarel, but... who knows? I understand that people will be hateful/raging on forums, and that is how "normal forums" are. Why should this be a normal forum? Let's make it great. Doctorspacebar, I'd like to thank you for writing out that post. You really get at the forum's response to the situation. Myself, I'm a #3 (or #6 haha), but I'm not going to explain my reasoning for certain reasons. About the rudeness, there has been a lot coming from the "bombers'" side, but there are others as well. It just annoys me when people change discussions to personal attacks. There are those who purposely do it, just to make themselves look smart and such. In fact, there's one that even lurks in this thread, which is pretty obvious. People just need to realize that they're really taking away from the forums from all of this hate towards OOO, the bombs, the promo, etc. It makes it sound like the game has become awful over one change to one bomb. I even went as far to send a support ticket to thank OOO for their game. It was supposed to be a break from the hate it seems they've received. I got a nice reply from Cronus, and I felt happy. What will I do now? I'm still going to remain a bit more quiet for now, but I won't let the rage from my real life and the people here silence me.
And again, for those who are going to complain about me now, I said that I would come back when I see some decency. Doctor and some others I know see have shown more decency than what I had seen since last night (when I probably shouldn't have been on the forums anyways). So yes, I posted a goodbye thread and came back. However, I said I was going to come back, and there are decent people on the forums that are shining through. This thread was my hope of getting them to maybe help make the forums a better place. It sounds selfish, but by helping the forums, discussions on Spiral Knights becomes more easy and well-mannered.
"People are going to think of me like Soarel"
Of course. There's no excuse for blogging in General Discussion.
Never.
Ever.
It's the worst thing you can do, really man what the heck did you hit your head too like OOO did??
Never.
Tersa, read the rest of my paragraph before answering~
Besides, like I've said in the past, Soarel made a mistake. We all make mistakes. He should've been given a second chance.
I like when people say rage is unberable. As if. Pretty much everyone eats up rage like a chocolate ice cream cake.
"Soarel made a mistake. We all make mistakes. He should've been given a second chance."
Soreal hate isn't really that extreme, people make too much of it. It's more like a meme than actual hate. I don't even think he takes it too seriously at this point.
"The more I think about it the more I think they just didn't mind if a bunch of other people profited from the "gifts." Like their goal was to make sure if everyone in group A got a gift. If everyone in group A and group B got gifts, they don't care as long as everyone in group A got it."
As I've said elsewhere, if this was their (I'm assuming "they" - OOO) reasoning, it was bad reasoning. The point of compensation is to make affected players feel compensated. There's no point leaving them objectively better off than before if they feel worse off by comparison to others.
You'd be surprised. I've seen quite the rage at Soarel on the forums and in-game. He takes it well usually, but it wouldn't feel that good knowing that nobody wants to hear your opinion before you say anything.
You'll be back. They always come back.