Oh sh-

Seriously though, I think you're a bit crazy for doing this with all the rage going on at the moment. o.o

Here we go, a zombie posting empty thread "omg SK I luv you so much"

A topic that must appear when obviously things are wrong in SK.

Person who write things like that is obvious troll, i cant imagine how stupid a person would have to be to think what is written in OP.

Asukalan. You're not very nice. First, you call Lepreal stupid and then you call him OP instead of bothering to look at his/her name?

Some people actually don't mind the new changes. A lot of the people in my guild actually like the bomb changes. They adapted to the way the bombs work now and they're having a blast, no pun intended. They don't come on the forums because people like you fill up their threads with negativity. :/

Just sayin', bombs aside the game is still fun if you actually play it.

Thorancheladra: There are many ways to play the game. If you want to be a super optimizer, you can make massive amounts of crowns. If you want to be laid back, you can still make enough to have fun. Why is it that other people's actions bother you so much? How much does it really affect your experience? It's all about what brings you joy. Why you gotta tear Lepreal down for having fun?

The only reason people suppourt OOO, is because they feel the need to be different from people who don't. Hipsters. I'm sure leperal dosen't have the bomb, and I'm sure providence dosen't have the bomb. They just like to disagree with people and create arguments.

@ above LOL I've quit this game for a korean MMO. I thought this was too P2W.

I am not tearing down anyone, no exaguration please.

That's how my experience was affected : I'm an honest money-maker who never felt to the darkside of business by buying-reselling to naive players and practically succeeded doing that (full CTR VH weapon set), as well as a casual CE-buyer. My playtime since February of last year is 49 days, which is quite a lot. Some players earned in 5 minutes what I obtained in these 49 days playing. I can't learn you empathy, so if you can't imagine how this feels, there's nothing more I can do for you (I'm an optimizer if you hadn't figure).
I don't want debates on OOO's gifts. They were a mistake from the start, and no forum wanderer is gonna make me believe otherwise.

Now let me ask you: why you gotta put in doubts how I currently feel about Spiral Knights and the legitimacy of my frustration? What's more, what gives you the right to do that?

You get an internet high five from me. I agree that there may have been times things made me upset but there has always been a disproportionate amount of fun to anything irksome.

@Asukalan
Attacking other people for enjoying something you can't seem to enjoy yet INCESSANTLY POST ON THEIR FORUMS seems crazy to me. If this game is something that gives you so much ire then why do you bother to continue to play it? It's a simple question.

@Thorancheladra
That estimated value of 100 million crowns is a small drop in the hat compared to the cumulative wealth that has been generated and redistributed into the game. I can think offhand where a small collection of 3-5 players collectively had over 700kce between them. I think you assume that something done out of kindness and the desire to "tell people what's going on" was some kind of conspiracy.

A simple mistake through kindness != malice. It's simply a mistake and to be honest with the number of people that purchase ce and the like the total "ill gained profit" will be nonexistent through usage within a month or two.

edit: Orangeo, I normally agree with you. And you do likewise when we talk about things in a civil discussion (The thing with Chris and how much it costs to create weapons) but why are you still on the forums if you are not happy being here? I understand bringing things to light but it seems counter productive. It's just a small question from a fellow forum goer.

Thorancheladra, have you maybe thought that if in multiple instances of something occurring such as this on the forums and it continues to go wrong maybe the factor that is causing it isn't external?

Thorancheladra, I DO empathize with your position, but I think you're a bit too invested in other people's progress. I don't really think you have a right to be mad that other people were able to capitalize on an opportunity.

There are by and large, two levels of play in the game: high economy and low economy. Low economy players like yourself are playing the Free2Play game, relying on their smarts to progress. High economy players are buying CE and boosting their investment potential in the economy; it's these players that take advantage of every promotion by selling their CE before and buying it back after at a lower price, who buy promotion packs and save the accessories to sell later when demand is high etc.

If you want to make a lot of crowns quickly, there are ways to do so. I don't think you should be angry at other people's success; your own experience should come first, and if your experience is tainted by them having fun, then...there's not much OOO or anyone else can do for you. OOO did what they did to fix an exploitable set of weapons, and they gave the UV tickets to reduce the sting of the sudden change. They weren't doing it to make you fail or other people succeed, it was a balance thing. It sucks that people feel like they got gypped, but balance changes have to be made.

"While it is true that I don't personally own the revised bombs"
I'm a psycic!!!

"I've seen them in action and all I can say about them is this: it's the quality of the players that make them bad, not the bombs themselves."
Yes, its the players fault that stun dosen't work. If I was a better bomber, stun wouldn't be bugged! And the damage decrease. If I want the bombs to hurt as much as they did before, all I have to do is focus really really hard, and my dream will ocme true! Rater ironic for a player to blame the players for the bomb sucking, as opposed to the company that made it.

"Also, if you've quit, why are you still on the forums? Move on to what makes you happiest."
I've got a crappy netbook that can't play video games, so I come here when the main computer is taken. Unlike the game, the fourms are free. Just make sure your thread dosen't seem like a suggestion, and you'll be fine.

The bombs are still functional for PvE, Orangeo. The Divine Avenger got a pretty serious nerf and it's still one of the best weapons out there----even with a bugged charge attack. Adjust your play style and you'll still dominate the field, damage nerfs or no. As for stun, you can still play the game if stun doesn't work. It's not the game killer everyone is making it out to be. I don't see any of these things as reasons to complain that the game is unplayable.

As for you on the forums. Okay then, I suppose. But if you're not actually playing the game anymore I don't know how accurate your statements about anything are, since you're not collecting any data yourself. You say that the forums are free and the game isn't; you still get 100 mist energy every 22 hours, you know. You could use that, but whatever makes you happy.

At the very least, i wont say new bombs blatantly suck, but need a little bump.
In fact, most agreed with that on test server, yet they got ignored.

I hear people 'happy' and 'having a blast' well, let me tell you, wathever you do with them can be done faster(and proabbly better) with DBB or nitro, even with the new irontech.

They arent the worst thing ever, but rather underwhelming compared to the rest.

I think balance issues will be ironed out, but it's hard to take away constructive criticism from a wall of hate. Especially on general discussion which seems to be a quagmire of anger and hate on average. I noticed that the bombs do a really good job of flinching certain mobs and can be used well, just not the same way the others have been using them. It'll be a love hate thing until other people begin to like it and the damage gets tweaked.

Thorancheladra. I'm going to say this one thing and then leave the thread, because I think our views on the subject are just too different to reconcile:

I don't think you have a right to be mad about this at all. You shouldn't be mad at the people who were able to "craft hundreds of crystal bombs and abuse OOO's silly kindness." They earned the ability to do that by managing their resources; they got rich by taking advantage of an opportunity. Anybody could have done it, if they had the foresight to see it. Players were compensated UV tickets because the bombs changed and OOO wanted to soften the shock of that with free stuff. People who crafted more bombs were gifted more tickets because they had invested more resources in a thing that was now different, a thing that now had a different value----the UV tickets might have helped the resell value of all the bombs, since there are now a lot floating around.

"It does truly kills the meaning of money-making through game mechanics!"
I don't think it kills anything, really. It'll make the bomb market a little different for a while, but that will even out. It's not as big a deal as you think. I've been playing since before the game went public, I've seen this happen again and again and again and again. Trust me, the players who got rich on this will blow their crowns on accessories or dumb things and everything will be fine.

"I don't think you have a right to be mad about this at all. "
1st ammandment?

"They earned the ability to do that by managing their resources; they got rich by taking advantage of an opportunity."
The same way the original DA users "earned" the ability to shoot charge attacks through walls before it was fixed. Them be some self made men, I tell you whut.

Neither Providence or I profited from it. It's just the way things worked out with this last update from OOO, I think perhaps you think I was attacking you and for that I apologize. It was never really my intention but I'm just trying to say that we all take a step back and attempt to shed light on the issue instead of generating heat.

I for one despite everything that has happened to the game just happy to be able to play something that allowed me to meet so many good friends. Whom have visited me in person and hung out in real life. I think perhaps instead of caring how well others are doing in a virtual world we take the time to realize this game is supposed to be a social experience as well. Have a good day Thor, I hope I didn't ruffle your feathers too hard on accident.

"Gwenyvier is one. [of the first hand account that suppourts the new bomb]"

That's one, horray! I could copy-paste threads of firsthands, like myself, that want the old bomb back, but that would take a long long long time.

"And if you noticed Eek5 who is one of the best bombers I've ever seen uses a glacius to open boxes. As for the troika line I think you should talk to Dogrock, he did a shock fiend dauntless delver using the Sudaruska and his ironmight set. Stun works incredibly well on certain monsters and is going to get fixed. Every person beyond the initial recognition of the problem isn't going to contribute to the speed with which it will be fixed. It just kind of clutters up any other things we could be talking about."

EOS member uses an unpopular weapon... and thus I play the common hipster card again! You lose two turns.
But seriously, just because you CAN use a weapon effectively, dosen't mean it's as strong as it should be. Refer to my FSC icebreaker comment. Should we nerf frostbreaker? I'll admit I had a medium elemental UV on one, and medium stun on the other. So OP.

"The DA and it's ability to do so was an oversight and was corrected much to my dismay (I loved my DA). The same can be said of a target that takes all the hits from a single well placed RSS pre-patch. I think the developers might see that usage as an oversight and moved to correct it and that's all."

They fixed the DA charge, unlike the RSS, where they basicaly removed it from the game and put in a new bomb with the same name. they could have fixed the multihit problem easialy, by making the initial blast earlier then the shard launch, knocking enemies too far away to be hit by all the shards at once. They also could have made it so that the shards spawn one tile away from the center of the bomb, so that you would have to be over two tiles wide to get hit by all the shards. Did they do any of that? Nope, they just erased their mistake as opposed to fixing it. They must like the DA more than RSs, classic favoritism.

"Just try the bombs out yourself "
No, I'm the psycic one that guesses who used what bomb! Check my 2nd post. Psycic, right here. I've used said bomb. Don't assume.

"I provided examples and the only thing you do is call anyone who uses something that others don't a hipster."
I read said examples. They are pointless, anyone can do almost anything with any weapon with practice. Check my next quote ;)

"That would be akin to me calling you a hipster because you used frostbreaker in FSC. It has absolutely no bearing on the discussion."
It proves my point that being able to do a vanna room with a 3* item proves absolutely nothing. I can do it in frostbreaker, does that make frostbreaker a useful item? Nope. So why would doing it with a crappy birdpoop bomb make the bomb look any nicer?

"People who disagree with me are haters! Argument closed!"
SEEMS LEGIT

"I have the Shad Bomb CTR VH. I love how it makes the JK rush easier."
LOL SPIT TAKE
YOU USE JELLY RUN SPEED
TO BACK UP NEW SHARD BOMB
LOLOL
People would beat the royal jelly in seconds with the old bomb. This is the most flawed argument I've ever seen, I honestly just think you're trolling now. Applause.

"So let the rage come. I don't really care."
You care, that's why you made this thread. Most people on teh-interwebs eat up hatered like chocolate cake. You love it, now say thank you to yours truly.

Lepreal was simply offering her stance. I hardly see anything wrong with it. You guys have to face it some people are satisfied and others like myself are not. That being said, back off you scavengers there are far worse threads in these forums atm.

Just because some people like it doesn't mean you have to go all agrro on them for saying their oppinion.

You're welcome.

I understand everyones right to a stance holla, you should understand everyones right to argue. Yes there are worse threads. I generaly just glance at the top half of the first page.

"Aren't these arguments better placed in the thread that were designed for it?"

But is this thread designed for it? What qualifies? And thats the question my good fellow; is this thread REALLY a OOO love thread, or is this guy just trying to be special and work against anyone who dosen't like the way OOO is doing things? I think the latter. this isn't a 'OOO' love thread, its a 'OOO hate' hate thread. Though hats off to you holla.

"Man I started commenting way more then I used to be lol."
It absorbs you like a litchen. I don't even play the game, yet here I am.

I appreciate your kindness as much as you appreciate my being here :)

Heh, thanks but no thanks. I'll wait for a flourish nerf at least, hopefuly the restoration of the RSS.