Spiral Knights

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Fri, 08/24/2012 - 12:59

Azulavis

Auction results:
Auction has been canceled due to lack of participants and low final bids. Thank everyone for participating.

1. Wolver Cap Increased Normal Defense: Maximum!
Starting Bid: 3,000 CE
Buyout: 9,000 CE
Min. Increment: 500 CE
Current Offer: canceled

2. Firotech Alchemer double-UV Attack Speed Increased: Low + Charge Time Reduction: High
Starting Bid: 2,000 CE
Buyout: 8,000 CE
Min. Increment: 500 CE
Current Offer: canceled

3. Shadowtech Alchemer Attack Speed Increased: High
Starting Bid: 2,000 CE
Buyout: 8,000 CE
Min. Increment: 500 CE
Current Offer: canceled

Don't message me in-game, offer here. I'm only interested in CE.
Auction ends August 26th, 14:00 GMT
I reserve the right to cancel the auction if the last offer will be too low.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:10

Sexyven

"I reserve the right to

"I reserve the right to cancel the auction if the last offer will be too low."

Lol... so basically, the "starting bids" are lies, and this is not an auction.

Edit : Anyway, bidding 2k CE on the Firotech ASi low + CTR high

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:35

Avengingfallen

Shadowtech/Wolver cap

2kce on that asi high and 3kce on the cap

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 19:36

Azulavis

@ Sexyven

There are no lies, it's an auction. I put starting bids to prevent "1ce bids" and such things. If you disagree with auction rules, simply don't participate.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 23:51

Derpules

He was pretty rude about it

but he has a point. If you're going to set starting bids, wouldn't it make sense to set them at the lowest amount you'd be willing to sell for?

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 14:32

Azulavis

@ Derpules

That's a good idea. I will try it for my next auctions.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 14:50

Sky-Hawk

EDIT. :P

nvm. xD sorry

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 19:21

Azulavis

11 hours left

Sun, 08/26/2012 - 07:11

Derpules

Still on?

Link's not loading for me. If it is on: 2.5k CE on each Alchemer.

Sun, 08/26/2012 - 07:16

Extra-Water

missed it by 12mins or so D:

Sun, 08/26/2012 - 08:55

#10

Derpules

Oh.

:((

Sun, 08/26/2012 - 10:22

#11

Avengingfallen

DIS Auction

Is this auction over yet?

Sun, 08/26/2012 - 13:33

#12

Sexyven

Fraud spotted

"Auction has been canceled due to lack of participants and low final bids. Thank everyone for participating."

Ha ha... so I won the auction, but you cancel it, right ?
This is just a fraud.

Next time you make an "auction", learn the meaning of this word by checking the definition in a dictionary.
You can't simply cancel a bid on an auction when it meets the minimum bid required just because you would have wished a higher bid. An auction has rules, which are a minimum bid and a ending time. The highest bid at ending time, as soon as it respects the minimum starting bid required, is the price the item is sold.

You refused to sell it at the highest bid at ending time, you do not respect your buyers and this auction is a fraud.

Therefore this is not an auction, this is a "let's all give me offers for the next 48 hours and see if I am pleased with them" ! Sounds silly huh ? Then name your next thread like this because this is what you are calling an "auction".

Sun, 08/26/2012 - 13:37

#13

Derpules

You knew this coming in.

It was right there: "I reserve the right to cancel the auction if the last offer will be too low."

In other words, it was an auction with an undeclared reserve. (Ebay has them; go see.) You may not like that--I don't, either!--but you can't say you weren't forewarned. You even complained about it at the time, but went ahead to bid anyway.

Fraud? What fraud?

Sun, 08/26/2012 - 13:50

#14

Sexyven

If he had a reserve, he

If he had a reserve, he should have written it so I would have bid at this amount. What was I supposed to do, over bid my own bid ?
Yes, there was written "I am gonna break the contract that I made with my buyers if it pleases me" and I bid anyway to see if he was really going to do that.

Now he did, I will simply not buy anything from him and I invite people to act the same.

Sun, 08/26/2012 - 14:19

#15

Avengingfallen

@Sexyven

Hey bro, there is a reason why he has only sold one SK item from his shop after a month of opening it, 15k crowns for a cyrotech asi low LOL, 200ce for a fiery vap ctr low...WTF?

Sun, 08/26/2012 - 14:26

#16

Derpules

I agree that it's not a great idea.

But it's not fraud if he told you upfront that he was going to do it. That's all I'm saying. If I tell you "Here, buy this moldy cheeseburger from me", and you accept, you can't very well come back later and complain that the cheeseburger I sold you was moldy, can you?

He's also not "breaking the contract that [he] made with [his] buyers", since his right to cancel at will was part of that contract from the beginning. That makes it a pretty bad contract, but again, not fraud.

Sun, 08/26/2012 - 15:21

#17

Sexyven

Unfair terms in a contract

Unfair terms in a contract are associated to fraud, so you actually can't put anything you want in a contract.
Anyway, next time it would be more honest to use the thread name I submitted above instead so there will be no misunderstanding and therefore no possibility of calling this kind a acting a fraud. Make your basic start offer / buyout thread like anyone else, add a random time because it looks shiny, and call it "let's all give me offers for the next 48 hours and see if I am pleased with them" but not "auction".

Sun, 08/26/2012 - 16:29

#18

Derpules

Actually, no.

Unfair contract terms are distinct from fraud. The most a common law court will do is strike out or decline to enforce an unfair term (and they do so only under very specific circumstances, or where empowered to do so by statute). The default position is that parties are free to put anything they want in a contract, since each party is free to negotiate or to walk away from the table.

I could go on, but it would be quite boring.

Also, I must point out that eBay does allow secret reserves on auctions, so there's nothing very unusual about this. I am against the practice, but I think that if the seller makes it very clear that s/he is using it (as the OP did), s/he can't really be blamed.

Sun, 08/26/2012 - 19:55

#19

Sexyven

The law in your country

The law in your country differs from the one in mine, on both unfair terms and reserves.

A reserve, secret or not, must not be superior to the lowest price estimation given. As there was no estimated price except the starting bid, there was no point including the term that the auction could be cancelled at ease. Calling it an auction without estimated price other than the starting bid and telling the seller could abort it if he thinks the price is too low, whereas superior to starting big, is therefore an unfair term because of the incompatibility of both the term and the rules of an auction.

If an unfair term goes against the law, the contract is modified to fit the law. The victim of the unfair term, who can be aware of the unfair term at the seal of the contract or not, can therefore see the contract modified with the unfair term removed, so at his favour. In this case, I would get the item for the price I bid.

This is why in my opinion this practice is a fraud. I can understand due to the difference of laws between our countries you don't call it this way, but you still don't like it and there must be a reason for it, this is also the reason why the law is written this way in my country :)

Sun, 08/26/2012 - 23:56

#20

Azulavis

Sexyven, Avengingfallen

"I reserve the right to cancel the auction if the last offer will be too low."
It's not my problem if you can't understand what you're reading. By taking part in the auction, you have agreed to the rules. Auction is closed. Attacking this thread will get you both reported.

@ Avengingfallen, don't lie, I've sold a lot of SK items.

Mon, 08/27/2012 - 00:19

#21

Derpules

@Sexyven

"A reserve, secret or not, must not be superior to the lowest price estimation given. As there was no estimated price except the starting bid, there was no point including the term that the auction could be cancelled at ease."

Then eBay is flouting this constantly. That is how it runs its reserve auctions: no price estimation is given other than the starting bid, which is always inferior to the secret reserve.

I think there is more variety in acceptable auction practice than you make out.

(P.S. I'm assuming you're from a civil law jurisdiction?)

Mon, 08/27/2012 - 01:38

#22

Sexyven

"Attacking this thread", lol.

"Attacking this thread", lol. ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US.
I think I clearly stated I understood what I was reading in my first post, didn't I.
I simply expressed my point of view about this rule of yours, which I find highly unfair for the buyers. I then developed this idea explaining it by the rules of an auction and a contract in my country, on which my thoughts are based. I knew from the beginning my bid was useless, I was just curious. I actually don't hold anything against you and find the whole thing funny.

@Derpules : Well, eBay is not the only international corporation breaking laws. As soon as they don't harm someone big who will spend time and money sewing them, they are basically free to forget some details like this one. In most big corporations, when they plan to break a law, they simply calculate how much the fines would cost them, estimate how harmed their image would be and how much profit they would make from this operation. Then, if the operation is still profitable they take the risk.
There are indeed numerous kinds of auctions, but this one works like a regular public auction, for which the estimated price law on reserve is for.
And no I am not from a civil law jurisdiction, I just finished a business school university in which in learnt business legislation, but thx for thinking that ^^

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