simple enough, i want to know what the absolute worst gun, bomb, and sword in the game. whether its for damage, control, or plain antisocialness, i have to know. thanks for the read!
-Nater
EDIT: to clarify i meant the worst 5*
what is the worst weapon?
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 20:49
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 21:26
#2
Worst.
A fail was the winmillion. Waste of 400ce. And for a gun... I have to say the blaster family. Just get a calibur if your going for a blaster.. And idk know about bombs.
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 21:53
#3
^ sorry but...
i have to disagre with the assumption that the blaster line sucks, the valiance is one of my favorite sidearms considering the gun patch gave them a small amount of knockback and a damage boost. even if its not a favorite how did the iron slug surpass my valiance? not to mention, the reason to own a blaster is almost polar opposite from owning a calibur, how does one use a calibur in the place of a gun?
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 21:54
#4
Hurp
Valiance (Blaster line) is an amazing bomber sidearm. It also works fairly well for primary gunners.
If any 5* gun is to be considered awful, it would be Iron Slug.
For swords, though it only gets to 4*, Winmillion.
For bombs, the new Scintillating (Radiant Sun) shard bomb.
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 23:39
#5
hate the following weapon
used fang of vog on test server
WILL NEVER EVER EVER USE AGAIN!!!
Wed, 08/29/2012 - 01:34
#6
Processing Thoughts of You Always
Whaaaat
FoV is awesome.
Crappiest bombs: Deadly Shard Bomb and Scintillating Sun Shards (generally poor damage, not to mention the bugginess of stun on SSS)
Poor guns: Iron Slug (outdone by Callahan and Pulsar-line guns)
Bad swords: Wild Hunting Blade, Fearless Rigadoon (former is outdone by most Flourishes, and the latter loses quite a lot of damage in exchange for a 5% chance of a status that can and will get you killed)
I would say that Gran Faust is bad for its charge, but its standard attack is powerful enough to at least partially compensate and get it out of the 'terrible' category.
It's possible to use all of these as weapons, admittedly; it's just that they are found to be among the worse options available.
Wed, 08/29/2012 - 02:00
#7
the punch gun is by far the
the punch gun is by far the worst weapon in the game. nothing even comes close to how bad it is.
honestly, the proto weapons aren't even all that bad. the proto gun is way out of the punch gun's league
Wed, 08/29/2012 - 02:12
#8
Iron slug, 5* troikas, v.
Iron slug, 5* troikas, v. pepperbox(?)
Wed, 08/29/2012 - 03:02
#9
Normal damage shard bombs are
Normal damage shard bombs are the worst bombs. Sun Shards are actually pretty usable against devilites.
The worst gun is Neutralizer and the rest of the neutral Catalyzer line. Neutralizer could be used on undead, I suppose, but it just wouldn't be as efficient as Polaris or even Supernova.
I don't use swords. One could give this dubious honour to Cautery Sword, but that kind of feels like cheating. For the same reason, Winmillion feels like cheating. Furious Flamberge doesn't add up to more damage than Final Flourish, which is kind of removing the entire point of having fire on a weapon in the first place.
Thu, 08/30/2012 - 11:30
#10
Valiance is dumb. It sort of
Valiance is dumb. It sort of defeats the point of a gun at all. Sure it has knockback, but it's weak, and has no status or damage type.
Winmillion is underrated. If it had a 5* upgrade, it would be better than leviathan blade.
Thu, 08/30/2012 - 11:57
#11
Iron Slug FTW
Iron Slug is MUCH worse then Pepperbox. I got both and use them fairly often for the science (because I don't trust other's players opinions and I wanted to test if those two are really that awful. So as much as Pepperbox is not "optimal" it is still viable choice. But Iron Slug, oh my God! Even such Handguns fanboy as myself must admit it - stay away from this handgun. Yes, it uses the bestest and most badass model there is in the game, but it's a total failure. I've tried it everywhere - from Stone Groves to Scarlet Fortresses, from Jelly Farms to Dark Cities, from Concrete Jungles to Deconstruction Zones. And using it always was rather frustrating experience.
I'm inept bomber and the only 5*sword I have is Dread Venom Striker so I can't judge other weapon categories.
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Off topic side note, but since someone mentioned Valiance I feel provoked. Valiance is my #1 handgun. Idk how anybody could stated it's the worst handgun. Actually only Alchemers may be considered better then Valiance IMO. Autoguns are very situational and useful only in few cases. Revolvers seems as a good choice, but low damage and lack of knockback makes them very dangerous at close distance - you can't one-shot-one-kill monster or knock it back to avoid bite/hit, plus their charged shot is horrible. Pulsars are fine, but still somewhat limited to be anti-turrets gun of choice mostly. Catalysers are fun to use but not breath-taking in regular gameplay (plus what Zeddy said about Neutralizer). Callahan is good gun for junior gunner who haven't learnt yet how to deal with wolvers, but nothing close to autoguns or pulsars, not to mention alchemers or Valiance.
EDIT:
Valiance knock back is enough to keep at distance fast enemies (like Mecha-Knight) and push ahead slower ones (like Zombies). Keeping enemies at distance is a KEY FEATURE of handguns. With other handguns you have to rely on kiting and back-pedalling to keep the distance. With Valiance you can stay your ground or even advance forward still keeping the distance.
Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:40
#12
If winmillion went to 5* I
If winmillion went to 5* I don't think it would be nearly as good as the leviathan blade.
Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:12
#13
Well, i dont have those
Well, i dont have those weapons, I'm just thinking that I WILL NEVER MAKE THOSE WEAPONS for some reasons
::troika line::
::pepperbox 5*::-can i ask, where do you use this? never seen people who really use this weapon
::iron slag::
::nuetrizer::
::wild hunting blade::
:::supernova::-monsters which resist to elemental are beasts and gremlins, but pulsar line's bullets are too slow to hit teleport-able beasts and jampy gremlins, therefore there is no point to choose supernova instead of polaris since polaris deals shock too.
i have no idea about bombs
Thu, 08/30/2012 - 18:37
#14
@Chalez: Punch gun!?
...is better than the iron slug due to this:
The last gun patch gave the punch gun VERY NOTICEABLE knockback on regular hits.
The magnus line? Nothing noticeable, just a charge attack knockback fix that was barely even noticeable for regular use.
:[
Iron Slug is the Winmillion of guns. srsly
Thu, 08/30/2012 - 19:30
#15
"Valiance is dumb. It sort of
"Valiance is dumb. It sort of defeats the point of a gun at all. Sure it has knockback, but it's weak, and has no status or damage type."
...Really? I always thought the point of a gun was to shoot bullets...
And it is an amazing sidearm like Luguirur said. It's supposed to be more of a utility than a damager, that is why it has no status or damage type. Unilities can be great if used right. And even though its charge is crap in PvE, it is great in PvP. Flyingwolverslulz.
Anywayz, worst weapons are the new shard bombs.
Thu, 08/30/2012 - 20:40
#16
I love Iron Slug, makes me
I love Iron Slug, makes me feel like a hipster-badass. With max damage and solo it makes it... usable. Still far from the best gun, but I have a pretty lengthy history and experience with the Magnus nice, and I feel like I know how to use it pretty damn well.
Fri, 08/31/2012 - 07:26
#17
Why all the hate?
Why all the hate about the troika ? Its not that bad compared to 'some' weapons, if you know what i mean. The 5* versions or the troika are badass, one way or another and its charge gives you some sort of twisted satisfaction from seeing your foes being quashed by the gigantic size of the blade.
Fri, 08/31/2012 - 10:33
#18
With a swiftstrike buckler...
The Troikas become somehwat usable for normal attacks. Without the swifty, the normal attacks are so slow, dangerous, and unrewarding that the charge is the only usable thing on it.
Fri, 08/31/2012 - 10:46
#19
@serell
haha what? they're no slower than Divine Avenger, and the knockback is PHENOMENAL.
Fri, 08/31/2012 - 10:50
#20
no slower than DA?
I'm mega facepalming right now.
Fri, 08/31/2012 - 11:22
#21
Compared to similar options, plague needle is the worst. Both the blitz and the volcanic pepperbox find more use on other runs, and it costs more than either with no real benefits, as there are close to no situations in which it would be preferable to blitz. To that extent, graviton vortex suffers the same inequality, but can find some use. Likewise, deadly dark matter and deadly splinter bombs are each terrible options.
Overall though, I'd say that.... Iron slug, would have to take the cake. Iron slug fails at its only use of stunning things due to its crappy damage output. It is usable, but it is still crap.
Fri, 08/31/2012 - 12:41
#22
The punch gun was my
The punch gun was my preference as the best gun all of tier one. cant compare it to proto series!!! proto line sucks!
Fri, 08/31/2012 - 12:41
#23
plus blitz needle looks
plus blitz needle looks awesome
Fri, 08/31/2012 - 12:43
#24
Graviton vortex is great for
Graviton vortex is great for crowd control
Fri, 08/31/2012 - 12:53
#25
Every badass looking weapon is the worst weapons. how ironic huh?
the iron slug is the most coolest bad ass dmage dealing looking gun. Its really not.
The cold iron vanquisher is the epic looking weapon all around. Unless u love grinding FSC everyday, it sucks butt.
for bombs, that not my specialty but im pretty sure theres a sexy bomb out there that sucks.
Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:16
#26
Ima stun you!
"for bombs, that not my specialty but im pretty sure theres a sexy bomb out there that sucks."
Entire shard bomb line.
Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:39
#27
Um regardless, CIV will be
Um regardless, CIV will be inferior to, say, Glacius in nearly every situation. Why have a puny damage bonus when you can just use elemental and be far more effective?
Fri, 08/31/2012 - 18:42
#28
@Batabii + troika
Troika's definitely slower than the sealed sword lines; The knockback on regular hits is the same, too.
The one thing I will give to the Troikas (and has always been their strength, except for when they first released Triglav/Sudaruska) is their charge attack - If you have a group of enemies all together (either chasing you or trapped in a vortex), the current 2-hit charge will deal equal damage to all of them. With the Sealed Sword lines, the damage will diminish over distance, or lose potential damage if the enemies don't travel with the projectile.
Fri, 08/31/2012 - 21:44
#29
Troika's bad? Real men use
Troika's bad? Real men use real swords, nuff said, but yeah buff it, heavy swords deserve real damage.
CIV is quite inferior to any elemental sword even in fsc. For soloing it does reasonable (255 dmg first swing WITH high sword dmg bonus, means it cant go higher fyi), but for team play... meh. Any 5 star elemental sword deals 300 dmg in first swing without any bonus, and a lot more since the bursts stack. So yeah again, CIV is quite inferior.
Iron Slug... Anyway I'm carrying CIV and IS around. A bit sad with them, but I'm a hipster lord, hoho.
Fri, 08/31/2012 - 23:27
#30
hi all
i thought this is an interesting thread. cos initially, it seem there was no consensus on which weapons are considered truly bad (ie just a matter of preference or maybe depending on situations) - but currently, it seems there is some agreement on which weapons sucks a little more.
can everyone state which in their opinion is the worst weapon (sword, gun or bomb) - and state the main reason why it is so - so that maybe the developers can buff up those weapons in future ? like everyone else, i like nice looking weapons, but wouldnt get them if they truly suck that bad. if the developers buff up those weapons, it will be another good reason for knights to get those nice looking (but crap) weapons :)
if this has been done elsewhere, then just ignore. i didnt read thru all the forums - so its possible and likely, this issue has been discussed / debated on. thanks
we must all do our part to save clockworks. all these gremlins and constructs is crapping this place up. argh.
Tue, 09/04/2012 - 11:06
#31
Here is
Helm: Ancient plate helm(2 debuffs, uselesss protection)
Armor: Ancient plate mail(2 debuffs, uselesss protection)
Shield: Omega Shell(Only normal protection which is useless)
Sword: Wild hunting blade(Low damage output+useless)
Gun: Iron Slug(Low Damage output+slow)
Bomb: Deadly shard bomb(Very low damage output)
As you can see, all of them is about normal damage. Normal damage sucks.
Tue, 09/04/2012 - 11:07
#32
":::supernova::-monsters which resist to elemental are beasts and gremlins(and lit oilers/toxoils, but that's been forgotten), but pulsar line's bullets are too slow to hit teleport-able beasts and jampy gremlins, therefore there is no point to choose supernova instead of polaris since polaris deals shock(which supercharge quicksilvers) too."
Supernova actually has more crowd control, due to shock stopping movement, so polaris doesn't have guaranteed knockback. Also, it's safer where quicksilvers are involved, and in C42, it doesn't get weakened by the toxoils catching fire
Tue, 09/04/2012 - 12:35
#33
Worst weapons in 5*
5* blast bomb
5* blaster
5* calibur
The worst that I can think of.
Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:26
#34
WHAT.
Nitronome, Valiance, and Levi are all great weapons. Valiance and Levi are great side-arms for bombers, and Nitronome, just, NITRONOME. In a party you have to use it carefully, but out of a party? It's a lot of fun and very useful.
Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:34
#35
Yes! Warriorrogue agrees with doctorspacebar
Valiance is a good sidearm allround, though pulsars are considered better, levi is useful for vana, and for solo play, when you get mobbed. Nitronome, however.
Nitro is one of the main bomber weapons. If you see a bomber, 7.5/10 chance they will have a nitro. Good damage to all, large radius, good walking speed, knockback, that bomb has it all
Also, one of the worst weapons, IMO, is a t the moment, iron slug. After the patch, WHB will be one of the worst, along with the normal shards
/think why are rubbish weapons the coolest looking?
Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:41
#36
@Benightz
I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Leviathan Blade and Valiance are great for any situation. I'm not so sure about Nitronome though, I'm not much of a bomber. From what I've heard, Nitronome is better than BAB and Iontech Destroyer.
Tue, 09/04/2012 - 20:25
#37
Herping hyenas
The only faults Nitronome has are the blinding animation and knockback. If the animation were changed to be less obnoxious there would be far more users of it, especially among primary bombers who do not already use it.
Valiance is a bomber/gunner sidearm. If you are a primary swordsman it should not be particularly useful to you because of the mechanic.
Even as a pure normal weapon Leviathan is great. In spite of what some may say Vanquisher is also very useful, though its general damage is slightly less than Leviathan and it has less knockback to annoy party members.
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 09:27
#38
Personally, I quite like valiance as a sword sidearm for when I'm low on health, but that's probably just me
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:24
#39
Worst 5* weapons are probably tied between the post-patch BAB, SSS (5* sun shards), and irontech.
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 04:50
#40
@Alynn
You can say a lot about BAB, SSS and Irontech, but I'd take them over Deadly Crystal Bomb anytime in a solo situation.
Mon, 09/17/2012 - 13:27
#41
Worst 5* weapon?
Iron Slug
Worst 5* weapon?
Iron Slug
Mon, 09/17/2012 - 15:25
#42
worst weapon
Sudaruska boo! tiz slow and the charge leaves u too vulnerable i use Triglav cuz it rox XD
Tue, 09/18/2012 - 02:26
#43
Wut?
Pretty sure the two have identical swings and charges (other than the status).
Tue, 09/18/2012 - 02:53
#44
Let see...
Those bird poo bombs D:
Tue, 09/18/2012 - 05:55
#45
worst weapon?
any of the
worst weapon?
any of the blast bombs, caliburs, troikas and vortexes if in the wrong hands, if in a team.
Iron slug&tech anywhere.
Tue, 09/18/2012 - 23:15
#46
When Sudaruska first came out
When Sudaruska first came out I was a little bummed at how lackluster it was. But since they revamped the charge attack into the two hit AoE I love it again. I dont find the charge THAT dangerous, Its great if you can kite them and time it right. Early T3 youll be two shooting things with the regular attack and one shooting mobs with the charge....then again I stack Slash Modules. Ive stuck with it for a long time and I dont plan on getting rid of it anytime soon. Personally while some weapons are a bit better then others I dont really thing any are that bad persea, One of the great things about this game is alot of times gear comes down to personal preference and what you feel comfortable using. Though the incomplete lines like Winmillon of course should be finished.
Wed, 09/19/2012 - 02:02
#47
Who says the Pepperbox is the
Who says the Pepperbox is the worst gun? It's utterly fantastic! Really need to try using it before judging it like that, there are plenty of worse guns out there >.>
Wed, 09/19/2012 - 12:11
#48
The worst weapon is
The worst weapon is subjective.
I find that the people that don't know how to use thier weapon of choice to be more the problem than the weapon itself.
Ie levi/CIV charges that fling mobs all over the map into other party members faces, the polaris users that spam it and cause the same, or the DVS/WHB user that has to always kamakazi a full combo into thier target at the cost of thier own health.
If you can use said weapon and be credit to team without eating into the overall health of the group great if not than thanks but I'll party else were.
Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:42
#49
i know it says 5 star, but i
i know it says 5 star, but i have to say this. cautery sword.
Thu, 09/20/2012 - 21:06
#50
For those saying Levi is bad/calling it a support weapon:
Proto sword, proto gun, proto bomb