Energy is a fatigue system.

"If I was to say shut it down, you would more then likely go emo and suicide wouldn't you?"

That isn't funny. At all.

you guys are starting a forum fight...O_o

the system is ruined. or not perfect. we all know that.
Is it gonna change? no. i doubt it.
But what can we do. make a petition? :3
Just play the game till you get tired and then move on.

"If I was to say shut it down, you would more then likely go emo and suicide wouldn't you?"

Nope, just bcause you say it, it wont happen anyways since no one follows orders from a kid, no need to go emo for me :D

Glad to not be the only one to think like that. But...

"I would suggest dumping the energy bar and just make a cash shop with exclusive items, costumes, armors, ect."
I agree, but definitely not with exclusive content that isn't cosmetics, otherwise it becomes p2w.

But still, since the crafting system is fully dependent of the energy people trade on the market, it would turn the game p2w, since the CE prices would be so high it would be impossible to buy even one package after infinite grinding. And if you haven't reached tier 2 yet, you'll notice that you won't be able to craft with just your mist tank from 3* gear and above.

Unfortunately, no-one will take you seriously but me because they think an MMO should make people pay for real money or grind forever... Either that, or the lack of details about it or the fact we get threads like these all the time. Ironically, people seems to want to ignore an obvious flaw on the game. Like a big hole on a ship.

EDIT: Be nicer, you don't want to have the entire forum up your butto- oh wait, it already happened...

Move to graveyard. Just another pointless thread

"If I was to say shut it down, you would more then likely go emo and suicide wouldn't you?"
You know what? You're disgusting for even joking about that. Theres a million threads exactly like yours, and your only accomplishment is combining an "ENERGY SUXXXXXXXX TT_TT" thread and a "HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT THIS AWFUL IDEA I HAVE" thread.

...why do you need to pay money or wait a whole day to run a dungeon more then 3-5 times, or craft something after waiting like 5 hours?
Because OOO (Three Rings) is a company. And like all other companies, they need money to continue development. Be happy that this isn't a P2P MMO, like some others I know.

From my experience, I like the current system (been playing since the release on Steam... And even before that). Play for a bit, wait for your energy to recover while you have time to do things elsewhere. Why? Because people want to play this game long enough to not get bored of it. In other words, OOO probably want to slow down the process of players progressing from 0* - 5* quickly and then having completely nothing to do. F2P players at least...

If you're extremely concerned about the cost of Elevators, there is an option. Splash out some $$s or ££s and pay for an Elevator Pass. They aren't expensive.

...despite just wanting to play the game without the worry of running out of energy just to simply do basic things with friends.

Elevator Pass. Inexpensive. Very, for what it gives you.

Also, that emo joke was not cool nor funny.

Analogies are fun! Here's another: what if SK was a jet plane instead?

Deltikon: "Guys, there's a big hole here! We have to fill it in!"
Everyone else: "Dude, that's the engine exhaust."

*high fives Derpules*

Anyway, the energy system is an essential part of this game, and it's running well. Once you're into tier 2, you can play indefinitely, since your profits one 100 ce will exceed the cost of another pack. It will take a while to get to the higher star rankings, and that's ok. If it was easy, it would be worthless. Just have patience, and above all, have fun. The game isn't fun because of the destination (5 star gear), it's fun because of the journey.

*Puts down popcorn*
Before we continue the fest of system opposers thinking that they should be able to buy there way through the game (although cosmetics do exist in this game, costumes and the like), let's review what the base premise of Spiral Knights:
• "Gauntlet" or diablo type of MMORPG gameplay.
• Centered around improving your old or current stuff rather than making/purchasing new things.
• Uses an energy concept which allows anyone to play for free, but players who play will receive an advantage.
• Economy is 98% player driven (2% "featured" auctions)

Now, if we take your ideas into account of the system of spiral knights, we get this:
• Gameplay remains the same, but will lack balance since you can just purchase overly OP stuff
• Players will have to get completely new things, which aside from dropping a major concept, takes away from the games overall theme of a journey, and becoming stronger as a Knight and a person.
• Ingenious Energy concept is completely trashed and centered around buying everything, and only a segment of the game would truly be playable for free.
• Economy would be 99.9% Developer driven, allowing easy corruption of the system and could result in even more overpriced CE in unnecessary fashions.

As you can see, your "Ideal" Spiral knights not only changes the game significantly, but instead changes it into an entirely different game. I would like to hear you further elaborate on your thoughts but please do it in a calm, orderly fashion. Yelling at everybody and making fun of emo's doesn't get your point across, respectively.

P.S
Energy passes ($5.95 each. last 30 days) would allow you to not waste mist on the elevator, it's a good deal (i have one myself)

• Gameplay remains the same, but will lack balance since you can just purchase overly OP stuff
This is true, but as long as it stays cosmetic only, it's fine.

• Players will have to get completely new things, which aside from dropping a major concept, takes away from the games overall theme of a journey, and becoming stronger as a Knight and a person.
I don't get this one, care to explain further?

• Ingenious Energy concept is completely trashed and centered around buying everything, and only a segment of the game would truly be playable for free.
I can see that, specially with the CE price. Simple solution would be making the CE unnecessary to progress through the game, only to be used as a way to skip grinding or buy cosmetic stuff. Plus this concept fully depends on the will of the p2pers, which it might not be as a good idea as one person might think...

• Economy would be 99.9% Developer driven, allowing easy corruption of the system and could result in even more overpriced CE in unnecessary fashions
Make CE unnecessary as well to progress. See above.

It is possible to get rid of the fatigue system and keep the game's integrity. The devs just need to make a player's progress less dependent on the cash currency. That goes specially with crafting.

And of course i'll expect a load of angry replies for this...

No.
Just No.
Get rid of this thread. There's no point in arguing with the OP since he's not going to believe us.
This whole thread is not worth the effort of text walls.
Graveyard. Now.
Let's do it.
Go.

^This

• The use of energy is mainly to extend this games hours. If your were OOO, you wouldn't want to have people beating your MMO in 3days just because they overplayed it, the game would feel short (there's really only 5 levels of equipment), and it would leave a bad taste in the players mouth.

I covered this but clearly I didn't do it well enough. You explained it better though.

Takendown quoted:
...people want to play this game long enough to not get bored of it. In other words, OOO probably want to slow down the process of players progressing from 0* - 5* quickly and then having completely nothing to do. F2P players at least...

Graveyard, anyone?

Graveyard. Where threads fear to tread...

The main problem here is not the energy system it is the price of energy which is set by player. Attempting to get rid of the energy system after its successful implementation for over a year is absurd. The game is supposed to be f2p, meaning that you can get everything without paying real money. As a f2p I do sympathize with you, but you are making yourself look silly by rejecting economic reasons. This game is not only a game you play but one others do. If they nerfed crs in FSC all would be joyful and CE prices would drop and let new f2ps have fun.

As long as there's people who pay real money for energy and sell it that is, because, you know, EVERYTHING (almost) has to be bought with CE. I even dare to call this a fake f2p because the game entirely bases on cash currency that people buy. If no-one was selling it, good luck trying to get 3* equipment, more even to reach endgame.

I can see that people actually got tricked for thinking this game can be done entirely with just f2p, but guess what, the energy that you buy on the market comes from other players' wallets.

Also I laugh at people who think that grinding is as a feature to keep players playing for long. I'm not even going to bother with that... yet.

Deltikon, the point isn't that the game can run completely without p2p players, that would just be stupid. OOO would starve. The point is that, if you so choose, you can do everything in the game without spending any of your real money.

is that SK isn't really F2P because, if there were no P2Pers, the game would grind to a halt. Is that correct? Yes or no.

if we used your model, and all the P2Pers under your new system stopped paying. . . what would happen?

Make a game with your system and keep it runing for 1+ years. Then I'l believe your proposed solution is better.

For evey player complaining about it there are 10+ enjoying and dealing with it.

Lol.

You think so? Most of the users, the biggest part that hates the system, don't even bother going to the forums or even playing the game. And those who don't, they either have been caught by the typical MMO grinding addiction or worse, they even get brainwashed and try to convince others that the flaws of the game are actually features, like a real mmo drone. I wonder how many people and dosh I could get if I owned a mmo and made it entirely free to play, without tricks or schemes that forces people to either grind forever or pay real money.

Only a costume cash shop that sells accessories and plain weapons just to skip the grinding, while everything else can be obtained either with real money or with a fair amount of crowns, only high enough to be worth the value.

Team fortress 2 was turned into a free MMO correctly, although the cash shop has somewhat exaggerated prices, but it's still the best free mmo out there in general. More, the only limitations to f2pers are the lack of space on the backpack to store your items, the incapability of trading (that's to prevent idling exploit) and also the ability of crafting hats, and yet they don't affect the game play under anyway possible. And all 3 drawbacks are gone by just buying something that's worth less than a dollar on the store, so why can't spiral knights be as f2p friendly as hat fortress? Popularity maybe, but nothing that a bit of advertising couldn't solve.

Just because they are different games doesn't mean they can't work economically the same way, that is, by just resorting to a non-p2w cash shop and grind skipping instead of shoving limitations on f2pers' buttocks.

The only limitations would be for the f2p having less swag and having to grind a bit more than p2pers, but not too much. And of course, try to add more content essential to the game and fix stuff asap. That's the way that a free MMO can be truly successful.