Prices in the economy are too high... Or are they?
Sat, 09/01/2012 - 06:55
Before reading, take note that this is a topic meant to be discussed in any way possible. So any type of opinion is welcome (Although I, and others, would appreciate great detail in the flaws you notice)
Now, as we all know, the economy is appearing to reach very high standards... But in reality...
These prices are actually too LOW. Yes, I said it, too LOW for our players.
You're thinking "omg 8000cr for ce thts so expnsive !!!", but no, it isn't anywhere NEAR expensive, according to the crowns flooding the market constantly every day (Via FSC grinding, RJP grinding, SL grinding, the list goes on.)
Accessories, materials, gear, Crystal Energy... None of it is as high as it should be.
Now, I'm poor as all hell, but I do know for a fact, that the market is crumbling in BOTH directions...
The way to solve it? We need to adjust the prices, as a community, to the liking of higher players... If they don't dump their crowns into circulation (Or at least take them OUT of circulation) the prices of everything will rise beyond anyone's nightmares.
And before you think I'm complaining about the economy... Well, you're right, the economy is the basis of the entire game. If it were to fall into ruin, the game would no longer be playable.
I will not propose a movement for reworking the economy. Instead, I am stating that there are no clear cut problems to them being high. So please stop complaining (It won't work anyway) about things being too expensive. All you have to do is get more crowns, and you're done.
Thank you for your time, you may now discuss.
Sat, 09/01/2012 - 07:17
#2
Yeah, there's no clear cut solution.
But all of the following things would help:
-Lowering FSC payout to put it in line with other Tier 3 stratums even after Tokens! After all, the boss tokens (or for fun, if you haven't been running the dang thing fifty bajillion times already) should be the reason you run the dang thing. (Keep in mind this is coming from someone who can wipe out FSC easily, with both bombs and guns, and thus can gain loads of money from FSC)
-Imposing a time limit and crown fee on Energy offers, like the Auction House (so Wall of Price costs something to cast)
-CE Promos. With capes. Forget the puke green Hunter gear, Capes are where it's at.
-Guild Hall Updates that cost crowns (Hint hint, developers, don't make it cost CE)
-Improving Haze Bombs to hit through Double Max UVs (Okay, that won't help the economy, but dang it, Shock UVs are flat out stupid)
-Making the Supply Depot cost the Crown equivalent of the original energy cost
Moreover, Three Rings should know that lower CE prices will lead to improved player retention, meaning? More money. The more new players that make it to T2, the more that say, "Hey, an Elevator Pass would be awesome, so I could just solo when I feel like it!" or "You know what, I'd love a full set of Skolver, I think I'll buy some energy!"
EDIT: Keep in mind, these preserve a player-run economy. Especially the Haze Bomb one.
Sat, 09/01/2012 - 09:40
#3
Live Long and prosper
Taxing the rich won't make the economy better for the middle class. You want those people to be rich so that they can create jobs, spend money, and stimulate the economy overall.
Back to SK, I approve of all the suggestions above, except nerfing FSC. I have no legitimate economic reason to oppose this, I just want my money (the honesty is refreshing, right?)
Sat, 09/01/2012 - 10:17
#4
+1 to doctorspacebar
See, this is why i like you. Intellect!
i would like to highlight two points
-Imposing a time limit and crown fee on Energy offers, like the Auction House (so Wall of Price costs something to cast)
The CE walls are what is causing the price of CE to go up, thus preventing others from buying CE. Now, whether this is financial prevention, or simply that people (like myself) refuse to use the market because of the walls ( i could easily buy the CE at the price walls, i just won't. I know it's inflated, and i won't help them at their game), a fee to prevent walling would help CE fall just a bit. ***NOTE: This will not bring CE down to 6k cr, or anything miraculous. This will simply allow the market to progress naturally, instead of being manipulated by a select few. I consider what is being done as the equivalent of insider trading; it is dirty, deceitful and hurtful to the economy.
-Guild Hall Updates that cost crowns (Hint hint, developers, don't make it cost CE)
Fantastic notion, one that is supported throughout the game. Thing is, we would constantly need things to add the the guildhall, otherwise you end up with a temporary crown sink at the outset, and then the market rises again. Also, kindly do not include guildhall items in CE purchases. While many of us would purchase CE packs for this, it will once again alienate a good portion of the community, the free to play portion. These are things that should be available to everyone, through the supply depot. You guys put this abomination into the game, lets use it as a crown sink. Make all items in the Supply depot cost crowns. Fantastic.
Sat, 09/01/2012 - 11:18
#5
Yes, Deltikon mostly agrees!
-Lowering FSC payout to put it in line with other Tier 3 stratums even after Tokens!
YES! DO EET DEVS. Maybe people will start playing other levels afterall and actually decrease the prices.
-Imposing a time limit and crown fee on Energy offers, like the Auction House (so Wall of Price costs something to cast)
That could work, but rich people are rich. Limiting the number of offers one person can post at the same time would be far more efficient.
-CE Promos. With capes. Forget the puke green Hunter gear, Capes are where it's at.
Yes, agreed! And if that promo was actually a neat camo texture instead of puke color, all my money would go to them.
-Guild Hall Updates that cost crowns (Hint hint, developers, don't make it cost CE)
YES.
-Improving Haze Bombs to hit through Double Max UVs (Okay, that won't help the economy, but dang it, Shock UVs are flat out stupid)
NO OPINION.
-Making the Supply Depot cost the Crown equivalent of the original energy cost
Mite b cool.
Sat, 09/01/2012 - 11:29
#6
Um...
You guys want to the
Um...
You guys want to the price to go higher...
So things will cost less? O_o
Please explain some more.
Sat, 09/01/2012 - 11:36
#7
Wait, now that you mention it...
"Accessories, materials, gear, Crystal Energy... None of it is as high as it should be."
Oh wow OP, I sincerely hope you're trolling.
Sat, 09/01/2012 - 13:31
#8
Do you mean to say... that you favor making people grind to get the prices up? Or that if people were to actually participate in the economy and buy things, the prices would be more natural?
If it is the first, then you need to read my book, found here: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/53465
If it is the second, then no, prices are exactly where they should be, because that is where they are. You can't argue that the prices should be higher, because they aren't higher... that would be like me writing a book on a fake set of physics and then arguing that we shouldn't complain about gravity because it actually should be worse.
I completely agree with this, it's like how putting more taxes on the rich would make the economy better for the middle class
If I'm understanding what you're saying