Spiral Knights - Transferring Accounts

Transferring Accounts

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Mon, 09/03/2012 - 09:08

Razor-Dash

3Rings, your deal with GameCyber for the creation of a HongKong server and a Taiwan server was a good idea, specially for us playing in Asia (and possibly in Australia), as we can play on those servers with practically no latency issues. Those servers are good for us, and the ridiculous prices we find in the AH there can be overlooked (someone sold a Mirrored Lockbox for 3k crowns and 1* materials are way too overpriced- even for small amounts).
BUT!
Why can't we transfer our accounts to those servers WITHOUT the need to create a new account and start all over again? Because that is pretty much the options we are given, either create a new account and start all over again or remain stuck in the slow-paced American/European server. Forgive the term, but not thinking about allowing us to take our existing accounts to the servers closest to us is, as some would say, a pretty "dick move".

Please, 3Rings, give me an honest to God reply about this matter. Will it happen? If so, can we also transfer somehow the Steam accounts onto those servers?

[EDIT] If you want to show your support for this idea, please sign in your posts.
Please.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 09:15

Little-Juances

Well, dont just blame OOO. Maybe the asians wants everyone to start at the same level on their server.

There are also some items that would cause disputes (halloween masks, regalia, spiral bombhead, special packs)

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 09:27

Razor-Dash

@Little-Juances

Some of that content is already there. And besides, that server hasn't been on for long and we see already a large number of chinese players already in full 5* gear, so it's safe to assume that the majority are P2P.

Also, 3Rings doesn't have to do much:
1.Talk with GameCyber
2.Talk with Steam
3.Strike a deal with both
4.??????
5.Profit.

And I wasn't blaming 3Rings, just reminding them about this matter. Most likely they won't even bother to reply to this thread, they aren't exactly the "talkative" kind of devs.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 09:33

Exerpa

There seems to be confusion

There seems to be confusion about 'the Asian server'.

For all practical purposes, it is an entirely different game. Asking for your stuff to be transferred from here to there is as futile as asking for purchases to be transferable between Steam, Xbox Live, PlayStation Network etc.

While "platform-shifting" (or whatever) could be possible in theory, obviously the operators don't want to go this way.

The sad fact is we will probably never get the 'true' Asian server now due to this.

We keep asking for things, but we get them in bizarre ways...

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 09:40

Razor-Dash

@Exerpa

Not entirely. If we can get the option of "choosing" wich region to play on, than isn't it possible to do the same with Asia? There is a small tab for that in 'Options', if I recall. So GameCyber has the server, big deal. If 3Rings "merged" the chinese variant of SK with the original, they wouldn't lose a thing, rather, they would increase the playerbase, and add more costumers to the game. If you want this to happen, then show your support for this idea with a signature in your posts.

We've been waiting for this server for a long time now, and it's frustrating to see it being handled like this.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 09:53

Exerpa

And thats just it. We

And thats just it. We expected the network to expand with more servers. Instead they just spawned an alternate network.

Fusing the 2 networks would be great, but the blindingly obvious thing to do was not create a second network in the first place - so the fact that they did implies the intent to keep the userbases seperate.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 10:12

Razor-Dash

@Exerpa

Well then, let's keep bumping and signing this thread until SOMEONE from 3Rings has the cojones to talk to us about this matter. This time, silence just ain't gonna cut it.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 11:58

Etendue

if this would be possible,

if this would be possible, I'd be very happy.

Very, very happy.

In any case, I'd drop some asi items in there xP

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 12:07

Wodanct

You still have hopes for this

You still have hopes for this game to do something smart? Even the good ideas get completely botched. But hey... now you get a server ran by GameCyber that has already started doing things different then Three Rings so just maybe it would be worth your time moving over there anyway. Or you can be like me and play this game casual until next year so I can take my tax return and buy a gaming rig computer and drop this thing for the english version of PSO2.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 17:01

Broxaim

@Razor

I understand that you want to be able to transfer to a new server that is better for you.
but you have to put into the consideration of other players, and even the developers.

for example, as previously mentioned.
1. you bring all your gear and stuff to their servers the asian players will feel like you've had an advantage and a head start, so it's not very fair.
and when people feel cheated they tend to leave. and from the developers stand point, why would they want to make a handful of people happier over the community they have just introduced this game to?

2. the game implementation may be vastly different for the other server, so the data in the databases can't easily be merged/transferred, and there needs to be a lot of work involved. so who's paying for it? is GameCyber going to pay OOO to transfer people to their server? or vice versa? I'm sure if you were willing to pay they might consider it. (like in WoW, and many other games, server transfers costs the player)

3. if you want to take your stuff and energy with you, then that would be unfair for the developers, because you paid 3 rings for your energy, and when you take your gear (that costed energy to make) and your energy over, GameCyber isn't going to be paid for that, nor is 3 rings going to pay (because they're probably used the money to develop more features into the game)
Remember that each point of crystal energy came from real money.

It would be great if they could transfer people, but there's just too much complexities involved to do it. There's a whole lot of costs involved for the developers and not much benefit.

And starting over ain't that bad, at least you get to keep what you have learned, like what weapons to buy, and the attack patterns of the monsters.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 22:55

#10

Razor-Dash

@Broxaim

Here are my counters to your arguments:
1. read my reply to Little-Juances. Etendue and some others can vouch for me, there are loads of chinese players ALREADY in full 5*gear, and the server hasn't been on long enough.

2. It's as you say, the game implementation "MAY" be vastly different for the other server, however you don't know that for certain, do you?

3. I'm strictly a F2P player, so that is no issue to me. However, if 3Rings needs the money to afford these things, why won't they ask for donations? I'm sure that if they did this and explained what they're trying to accomplish people would listen and understand.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 02:20

#11

Metagenic

@Broxaim

So you're okay with the fact that if I want to play without lag, I have to start over and throw away my two hundred bucks?

If they can't do it for everyone, at least do it for the P2Ps…

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 16:45

#12

Broxaim

@Razor, I know you want to pick at my points, but I think you missed them completely, i'll try and make it a bit more clear.

1. yes there are people with 5* gear but that wasn't the point i was making.
I'm saying the community won't see it as being fair.
also as little-juances has said before, just the events halloween masks and regalia and the promo wings etc... wouldn't be avaliable to those players yet. so if anyone transfers with those items intact then the community there won't see it as being fair.

2. that wasn't my point, I asked who is going to pay for the work required to make the changes to both sides?
3 rings will need to spend some time to develop a script or something to extract the data of your character and all your things.
The guys on the asian server is going to need to spend some time to import that data.
And time costs money, it's not like by doing free server transfers it's going to get them more opportunity to make money, or even directly paid by the players.
from a business standpoint there's no reason do to this.
the reason i mentioned the different backends is, different backends increase the complexity to do this, and even if they were the same there would still be work to be done.

3. this wasn't about you. let me try and rephrase.
Anything that you own, that is greater than 3*, or at one time cost energy to get, ie shadow lairs or accessories, even though you did not purchase any energy with money, someone else did.
and this money went to 3 rings, but if you are going to bring over 3*+ gear and accessories to another server that is owned by another company. GameCyber is not being paid for it.
any 3*+ gear and accessory on the asian server has currently means that someone paid money to get the crystal energy to get it.
it has nothing to do with 3 rings being able to afford it or not. it's about not being fair to GameCyber running the asian server, because they aren't getting anything for co operating.

@Metagenic
I'm in Australia, and it lags like crazy, I'm not sure if it would be less laggy for me to get to play on the Asian servers or not. and your statement is quite an over exaggeration.

when you paid the 200 bucks, did you get what you paid for? I'm pretty sure you did.
You knew of the condition of the server going in, and you still decided to spend those 200 bucks.
Just because you move to another server doesn't mean your 200 bucks of stuff is going to be deleted.

They have given you everything that you have paid for, (if they haven't that's a different issue) and you're not entitled to a free transfer.
and as stated in my 2nd point, they may be willing if there are enough people who want it, and are willing to pay for it.
but in my 3rd point, GameCyber may not want to comply because they might not be getting a good deal.

for example, lets say the server transfer costs $10, and it's split 50-50 to 3 rings and GameCyber.
but you bring across 30kCE and lots of 5* gear with pimped out accessories (your 200 bucks worth of stuff).
GameCyber would have earned a lot more money if someone had to make those things from scratch.
these examples of course are of 1 person, but those numbers really add up when there are hundreds or thousands of transfers.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 17:09

#13

Roarr

no a gd idea to allow transfer

If we are allowed to transfer our US accts to asia, we will be crushing their market within days, and it wont be possible anyway because the asia players already created their accts, and it might have conflict with the ones we currently have.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 23:15

#14

Griseolar

A solution to this would be

A solution to this would be for OOO/Gamecyber to NOT transfer CR/CE over, but only a single set of equipment of your choice, ie. 1 helm, 1 armor, 1 shield, 2 weapons, no trinkets. UVs will not be carried over, and the equipment will be bound upon accepting it through the mail. In a sense, it's not so much of 'transferring over' than it is actually Gamecyber giving you a free set of equipment in the mail. This way, you at least get a fraction of what you spent in this server and a starting advantage too.
The problem from allowing this to happen is that all of us moving over and getting our set of 5* equips just like that means a large increase in number of FSC-capable people in the Asian server in a short amount of time. This would inevitably lead to crown inflation and, well, we've already seen what that does on this side. Do not get me wrong though - I am fully aware that with time, all of us will eventually get to 5* and be spamming FSC every single day, so crown inflation will happen no matter what, just that with this transferring of equipment, the inflation happens way faster.

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