Spiral Knights - Equal chances in crafting

Equal chances in crafting

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Mon, 09/03/2012 - 14:59

El-Odio

This might sound like a really insane idea, but how about... making the chances for a UV on each weapon the same?
I know, this sh-...idea, yes, idea, just sounds bananas, but think about it: Why isn't it the same to begin with?

I am not talking about rising the general chance of all weapons, but about those few weapons that have never felt the tender embrace of UV love. Try getting an Unique Variant on a Troika and tell me how it was. That poor little thing doesn't even know where to put one.
As far as I know there are several such weapons. Do you not want to let them feel a purpose in life? To spend the night with them, alone, fill them with heat and have them reach the greatest heights?

Okey, after all these slippery innuendos, let me go deeper. Ha. Anyways, I do not see any valid reason for the chances of an UV on weapons to be arbitary. If any of you can tell me one, I am all ears. However, not the economy or the gameplay benefit from it, as the chances are not based on how popular or useful the weapons are.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:06

Luguiru

What do you mean

An African or European swallow?

Getting UVs from crafting is already at a 10% probability. Do you mean to make it more likely to get certain kinds of UVs for different weapons?

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:21

El-Odio

The general chance

The wiki just talks about bombs being at 10% and I have not tested it on any bombs, but I have been trying to get something decent on a Troika for some weeks now, hence I used it as the example, and did not just not get any decent ones, I didn't get any UV to begin with. I looked around on the forums to buy one and it turns out I am not the only one who experienced this: Troika seems to have a significantly lower chance to get any UV. Of course, being underpowered and all it's rarely crafted in the first place, but there still seem to be some people to confirm this.
So if it is not the same on one of them, how can you say that it is the same on the others? I suspect the same to be the case with at least a few others, though I have neither the money nor time to test it.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:30

Skyguarder

Shame on you. -________________-

Your not allowed to say the word "sh**" as it is a filtered/censored word and inappropriate. Change it.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:39

Blandaxt

lol

i think he said "shhush" idea, like u shouldnt talk about it idea. not the sear word.

About the uv, i just wish the devs would give us players some precise numbers on what the chances are instead of player experimentation results wich has a 70 to 85% chance in realiability. i just hate that we have to relly on the wiki all the time when the devs can just post this somewhere for al of us to see. its not like it would hurt them if they did that.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:37

Skyguarder

He changed it

Good.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:40

Luguiru

Find someone to craft a couple hundred Troikas so we can find out.

Eventually, not immediately.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:47

Skyguarder

I crafted my ash tail cap not

I crafted my ash tail cap not too long ago. I got a UV which was "Shadow defense increased: Very high" and for my dusker coat, I have no UV's until I founded out that I saw a new UV which was "Increased Poison Resistance: Maximum!"

It's under a 10% chance of getting a UV to a item

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 15:55

El-Odio

Not necessary

In my opinion, we don't have to ragecraft and waste energy to find that out. Why, you may ask, but it's simple - we don't matter. It's not important if it is true or not, because all we need is that we feel like it is wrong and that we want it to be equal. In the end they could say they changed it and we wouldn't even be able to check if they really did. All that is really necessary is for them to post valid numbers, like Blandaxt said, best in their wiki, and everyone would be happy. If they are not the same, they should change them, but first of we'd need to hear their side. A bug we can see, but we can show them 300 Troikas with 10 UVs and they'd say "bad luck".

Also, I slipped an entire paragraph of innuendos about "making love" into it and the only problem is using the derogatory word for feces. Silly forum. Ha, feces. That's a good word. I'll use that.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 19:40

Derpules

@Benightz

"I got a UV which was "Shadow defense increased: Very high"

Really? I'll pay a million CE for that.

(Hint: It's impossible to get Very High on armour and shields.)

@El-Odio: As the one asserting that there is a difference in UV chances to begin with, shouldn't you provide a little more evidence for the claim?

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 19:47

#10

Skyguarder

@derpules

Yep, and you can also meet me at Haven. Just send me a friend request in Spiral Knights, then we can set up a meeting time.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 19:55

#11

Derpules

No need for that.

Just a screenshot, please.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 21:00

#12

Skyguarder

My proof:

Ash tail cap - Increased shadow defense: High : http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/UltimateStorm/Screenshot_7.png
Dusker coat - Increased Poison Resistance: Maximum! : http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/UltimateStorm/Screenshot_6.png

EDIT: Made some changes because I made a mistake

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 20:20

#13

Luguiru

What do you mean, consistency?

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 20:44

#14

Griseolar

How you read "High" as "Very

How you read "High" as "Very High" is completely beyond me...

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 21:00

#15

Skyguarder

@griseolar

It was a mistake.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 20:50

#16

Dukeplatypus

@Benightz

1) That analogy doesn't really work.
2) That's Increased Shadow Defense: High, not Very High.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 20:59

#17

Skyguarder

My bad

It's a mistake. Sorry

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 04:30

#18

El-Odio

The problem is, you can not

The problem is, you can not prove it and that is what I meant in regards to Luguirus post: "A bug we can see, but we can show them 300 Troikas with 10 UVs and they'd say "bad luck"."
Yes, I do claim there are differences in the chance to get an UV, But even if I started ragecrafting, wasting horrendous amounts of money and time, it could still be "bad luck". You can barely "prove" something based on luck even if you did try that. While it does seem like other too seem to suspect there to be differences, that is the best you can provide. So what I ask for is not us wasting resources, but valid data provided by OOO. For them to give us numbers on the chances will not kill them.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 05:00

#19

Little-Juances

Send a goddamn email and see what they answer.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 05:56

#20

Fehzor

"Very High" vs "High"??? You're going to that firey place down there, where you will burn for eternity for this. Never before has such a terrible mistake happened.... for shame. No really, he just typo'd or misread the item, cut him some slack.

And what UV are you looking for on your troika? I have an ASI low if you're feeling particularly minimalistic. Nor do I think you should go to OOO, the percent chances are supposed to be exactly like they are- and we don't know them from anything but our own data collected on haze bombs several months ago. Consider that if they rose the chances, it would raise the price of energy.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 08:53

#21

Derpules

He edited out the posts where he maintained he was right.

Heh.

No big, just amusing.

@El-Odio, we certainly can't "prove" anything, but surely you have some grounds for your suspicion. Otherwise we could fill this forum with hundreds of threads demanding confirmation or disproof of random claims which we as players have no way of verifying.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 09:36

#22

El-Odio

My suspicion

As I said, I have crafting them for several weeks now - always selling them, because who collects weapons he doesn't need when you have to finance your passion? By now I have made around 50 or so of them, having gotten not a single one with UV. That was my initial motivation to see if there is something wrong.
I am most aware that this is probably due to bad luck, but I found others that claimed certain Items, most notably the Troika, to have a lower chance on UVs. I wouldn't start a thread if there is not at least a valid reason for suspicion, and I think my personal experience as well as the numerous claims of random strangers to be good enough of a reason to at least look further into it.

Regarding Fehzors "the percent chances are supposed to be exactly like they are": If there was anything in this game "supposed to be exactly like it is" then there would be no meaning to threads about balancing weapons, armor, enemies, enviroments or anything in the suggestion forums. I don't want to be rude, but to dismiss a complaint about the system with "something is as it is supposed to be" is stupid. Even if it is supposed to be like that, it doesn't make it right. Or would you like others to dismiss your "Novel" like that?
Also, I appreciate your Troika offer, but I don't want to settle for less then High. ^^'

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 09:56

#23

Derpules

Hmm.

Fair enough, but I'm inclined to doubt based on the many, many cheap (and not so cheap) UVed Troikas I've bought and sold. Check the AH at any time. How many UVed Troikas do you see? Probably 5-10. Brandishes? 30-40. This may seem like a large disparity, but consider the proportion in which Troikas are crafted compared to Brandishes. I have no stats, naturally, but it seems about right to me.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 12:53

#24

Zeddy

Can't you just let Punch at them? For the mist used in crafting the Troikas you could run a couple of FSCs and have Punch guarantee you two UVs every third day.

Wed, 09/05/2012 - 03:12

#25

El-Odio

It's just a try

I am glad I was able to convey my point and by now I have, as Juances suggested in such a kind manner, contacted OOO hoping to get some numbers.
That the Troika is underpowered and all, and that it's rarely crafted in the first place, I took into consideration, but the UVs in the AH don't have to be "natural" and given everything I read the least I can do is trying to shed some light on the numbers involved. I can only hope for the best and as it seems the only way to do this is by relying on OOO themselfs.
Also, I am looking for ASI high or better. Just sayin'.

And no, I can not let Punch have it, because this is not about me getting what I want (though that would be a nice bonus), but about if there is actually an unequality in crafting chances. Of course i came to this problem through my own experience, but how else would do you find problems?

EDIT:
This won't come as a surprise for anyone:
"Probabilities for Unique Variants are not officially discussed or released."
And now it stands word against word and we can't do anything.

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