yeah they do seem to always have problems with new updates to ld and then ignore it yet if something goes wrong in the utterly boring pve modes (besides select danger missions sl's are getting old as well...) they HAVE to fix it....
anyhow plus one for this thread
Spectator needs a delay, having spectators on voice chat or even dual monitoring a match oneself is a massive advantage, one that OOO surely could not have intended for. I am certain it is right and that OOO agrees that having a 2nd screen or a friend spectating a match should not give you full knowledge of the enemy team's loadouts and disposition.
No one can think that's fair.
A delay of even 30 seconds or even 10 seconds would more or less eliminate this problem completely, 30 seconds is years in LD time, while spectators could still watch very close to the second live.
With every passing day I become more infuriated with the lag in Lockdown.
Now not only in GvG matches, but even random LD, I can't enjoy the game without teleporting and swings obviously going through people.
Please address this issue, or remove spectator altogether until a solution is reached.
Spread the word all, let's get this idea the support it needs.
Haha, in every MMO ever that has PvP, these type of arguments like the one on the first page occur. They are unavoidable and interesting.
+1 to the changes though, spectating sounds like it will bring out the inner rage of PvPers. Eesh, no thanks.
Right now I'm playing GVG during peak hours, and it's almost unplayable.
I've resorted to polaris spam, even that is barely working.
Everything teleports and I die for no reason on most occasions.
Either fix this, or remove it until you can OOO. Lockdown isn't even fun anymore when it's more a game of luck than timing.
I agree with Bacon SO much. Bring the old SK back.
Its been too long that this hasnt been addressed.... We should crash a haven in protest to get there attention :/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHGYFxR4rLA
"I've resorted to polaris spam, even that is barely working"
Wow, that truly is hopeless. Thought I'd never see the day.
~Sev
The lag continues. Watched a 20+ spectator game today where people flew off the screen once every 20 seconds. It's even worse when you're one of the ones playing.
Let's keep spreading the word on this, we really do need them to take note of how much it's messing up the matches.
It's about damn time somebody steps back into the Suggestion Board. Too much stupid going on here.
Hello everyone, this is Kentard. Yes, I'm the guy behind Kentard's Equipment Project, the co-proprietor of the Devilite CEO idea and concept sketches, for those who know me.
Severage, it's nice still seeing you around. ;)
Now, there are three issues I want to address here. Two of which are relevant to Bacon's post.
1. Impressive Lag. Now, I am speculating this arises from rendering each new character as a player with full equipment, although it would be best if a developer could clear this up if I am mistaken.
2. Spying. 'Nuff said.
What Bacon proposes is a delayed feed to the spectators. This will not only make spying far less effective as spectators will have to speculate in advance as to the movements of the players, but also provide players with breathing room in terms of lagtime as the spectators can be placed into a separate 'virtual storage area' as the players given that they just need the feed to be provided to them, rather than physically 'being' in the match itself.
As for proof, there is no harm in speculating an exploit - even if no proof of spying has been presented as of yet.
After all, it is perfectly logical to assume that at least a few spectators will do this.
Obviously, I support this - not so much on the latter but the former can be extremely irritating to deal with. It's bad enough that the game is coded in Java, which is prone to lags based off object stacking, but it is far worse if you have to deal with lag from spectators (I question the number of spectators reaching 30, however it is undeniable that more spectators = more lag).
As for the numerous individuals that are attacking The Jempire's boosting, which leads me to my third point,
This has nothing to do with The Jempire, this has to do with Lockdown in general.
For those of you who have an issue with boosting, or are contending whether The Jempire does boost, it is irrelevant to this post. I say this to both members of The Jempire defending their own guild's reputation, and people claiming they do boost. Please discuss this somewhere else.
Bacon here is not posting as a member of that guild, and whether the change in mechanics actually benefits The Jempire is irrelevant since they are not the only ones benefitting from the changes. It's not as if the likes of the other top ten guilds will complain about less lag and less spying.
Please understand that these mechanics suggested will, in no way, generate a greater disparity in scores. Everybody benefits, 'nuff said.
's not as if Bacon is asking for The Jempire to win double points after every match, or for Trojans to be nerfed because he can't kill Trojans.
I therefore rely on my much-diminished authority to request everyone to focus on the topic.
If you really must rant about The Jempire, do it in another thread.
tl;dr, +1, and haters of the jempire please go somewhere else to hate. this is not the place to do so.
This would be an awesome solution to all the lag and spying.
2 weeks of horrendous lag, still nothing is done.
Remove spectator. Put it back when a solution has been created. I hope to God that this issue is addressed in this weeks patch (if there is one).
We need more support. If I wanted a game based on luck, I'd play rock paper scissors.
+1 for anti-spy, but only for GvG
Because their is a small chance of a single person spying in a ladder match
Did anyone even ask for this feature? it seemed weird in the first place that this was even implemented. Let alone them making all LD a hell of a lot more unplayable because of the spectators. Didnt anyone watch Digimon the movie? The part where izzy sent all the emails to Diaboramon and he froze like a popsicle. That's whats happening to us in LD!!!
This was asked for in suggestions, but I don't recall a lot of people supporting it.
Well, it's good that this thread is back on track. There really is no need for anybody to come into a thread and vent their anger. Please get a punching bag for that, feel free to cuss it out with CE, UV'd gear, connection, and boosting related insults. I promise you'll feel better :)
I personally stopped playing LD after spectator mode was released. I already have well over 400 ping in normal matches, and this..."feature" just about doubled it. In a 5 minute game, I might only have 30 seconds of time where I'm actually in control of my character. Yeah, and people still complain about how I play. Sorry, I can't consistently get over 15k damage, because I *cannot* see anybody on my screen. It's like playing a shooter with invisible, incredibly lithe ninjas who are flashbanging you every 3 seconds. I hope Bacon's suggestions are implemented, as I don't see myself playing LD in the future if these problems continue :/
Three Rings, please try to lower the impact of spectator mode on gameplay! We would very much appreciate it :D
Looks like we missed a chance for a solution to be implemented this week, let's try for next week.
Cmon guys, lets reduce that lag!
EDIT: Still no patch after 2 weeks. Why.
...patches are hard?
No, really. You have 3 different systems to work on. Sometimes Java doesn't make the change just right and then you suddenly have a patch that won't work on ever system. Time to go back and change it so that it does work!
On topic, however, you have my support. I haven't ever noticed much lag, but I don't like the sound of spying. A delay sounds like the most fool-proof method, to me.
Back when spectator mode was really popular (soon after launch) there were some pretty serious issues with the LD servers not being able to handle the traffic. It's lightened up now, but there's still plenty of room for spying.
A wild Kentard has appeared!
I thought you were virtually disabled or something.
Then again...I was gone for a long time too. I guess we're even.
~Sev
Keep this alive! Still having problems with it today.
Gotta keep this going!
This still has not been addressed, and I don't want OOO to ignore this and wait for it to go away like most of the bugs in the game.
Snarkey, he said they were accused of boosting. Not that they were.
Anyway, you guys should really keep this on track.