Spiral Knights - FSC vs RJP

FSC vs RJP

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Sun, 09/23/2012 - 10:02

Mahkookeh

So I was fighting with my friend about making profits. He was talking about how FSC sucks compared to RJP. I didn't believe him for one bit, I mean, you only get like 400 cr profit every time you play! And then he told me that he farmed tokens and then unbinded sealed swords and antiguas for 60-75k, giving him a 20k profit... But how does that compare to FSC?
I'm pretty sure FSC still wins, but I'm interested in what you can get with and without an elepass.

This is what I got:
RJP
With ElePass:

You have to do 5 RJPs to get enough tokens for a SS/Antigua.
So you make around 10k from the runs.
Net Profit: 10k.

To unbind costs 600 CE, which is around 50k.
Net Profit: -40k.

Now, you can sell the weapon on AH for 60-75k. I'm going to stick with the worst scenario, 60k.
Net Profit: 20k.

We have to factor in time, and the average time to finish a RJP run is 30 minutes.
5 runs nets you 20k, so that's around 8k an hour.

Without ElePass:

5 RJPs gets you 10k, but you lose roughly 8k.
Net Profit: 2k.

Unbinding costs 50k.
Net Profit: -48k.

Selling the weapon gives you 60k.
Net Profit: 12k.

That's around 4k an hour.

Vanaduke:
With ElePass:
Runs: 8k.
Tokens: 3k.
Profit: 11k/hour

Without Elepass.
Runs: 8k.
CE Cost: -4k.
Tokens: 3k.
Profit: 7k/hour

I guess I answered my own question typing this out. I'll just leave this here for other people. Since T2 players might want to know how to get comparable profit from farming RJP. This is how my friend raced through T2 quickly.

I guess useless post is useless.

However, I want to know if you can make a good profit selling FSC token rewards on AH, since I heard people buy Blackened Crests for a relatively high amount... and if it would be worth it to use a roll on the items before selling.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 10:48

Bopp

people buy unbound Jelly Gem items?

People buy unbound Jelly Gem items at a premium? Even though a huge fraction of the player base has completely mastered RJP and has an excess of Jelly Gems? Wow. I hope that you haven't just opened the floodgates to cheap Jelly Gem items.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:02

Mahkookeh

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Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:26

Little-Juances

Special conditions

well, if you have elevator pass, RJP is way faster and safer.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 13:05

Mahkookeh

Blackened Crests

However, will it be more cost-effective to unbind Blackened Crests instead of SS? I mean, would the profits make up for the risk?

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 14:27

Mikeyye

What about IMF? It's only 15 tokens to acquire a Pulsar. Also, from what I've heard it's 200 or 300 crowns moar payout. From my own knowledge, the AP kills the twins like a hot knife on butter.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 20:17

Fehzor

ICMF was the best source of money (from T2) in my day. I used to run that twice a day or so... it may have been slightly less profitable as a whole, but man, those token rewards. Back then pulsar was amazingly popular too... it still is, but not nearly as much.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 22:56

Leroy-Jethro-Gibbs

5 runs doesn't give you 20k

5 runs doesn't give you 20k crowns

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 22:57

Mahkookeh

Since the pulsar is only 2*,

Since the pulsar is only 2*, you spend 17k to unbind it, and selling it would give you back roughly 29k, last time I checked, which gives you 12k profit, and adding the 2k from each run, that's about the same profit from tokens as RJP.

Also, IMF gives almost exactly the same as RJP, as shown from a mission yield survey here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHNndkZIRDJUTHdNZjV...
and the results here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvacWKTe5PzidHNndkZIRDJUTHd...
(Although this isn't the most recent survey, the numbers I see from the runs I go on are roughly the same as those on the survey.)

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 23:13

Darkbrady

Unbind selling just isn't

Unbind selling just isn't worth the time/risk imo; just NPC them for raw, fast cash and dive back into the dungeon. Ofc, I say this having hundreds of tokies spare and little interest in the AH, so coming from the perspective of someone who'd just rather make money fast I'd say that tokies are just NPC food and the dungeon itself is better to go with FSC. FSC has far higher raw crown payout and the tokies lead to 4/5* items which get NPCd for far more, and only tokes a small portion of time longer, especially with a good team. It also leads to 4/5* mats which can be used, sold, not need to be bought etc.

Ofc, JK is quick, safe, easy. Not as profitable by any means, but if you factor in effort:skill/gear/team to the equation then the ratio might shift a bit, depending on who's looking at the runs.

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