Spiral Knights - "Justice Is Most Often Served..."

"Justice Is Most Often Served..."

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Wed, 09/26/2012 - 21:51

Xairathan

I made this quote in 8th grade, four years ago, after seeing one of my friends take the fall for something that another classmate had done. Now, four years later, I see it is true again: that "Justice is most often served to those who need it least."

If you're not here for anything but a good quote, or don't like long and confusing reads, I suggest you leave this page and turn your mind to more productive things.

I was at school with my marksmanship team when I heard the news of 99kcr per 100 CE. At first I thought someone had forgotten a decimal. As I see, to my great dismay, this was MISTAKEN. Now, instead of rectifying the mistake by doing any of the following things, as already have been proposed- such as suspending the game, freezing all transactions in time, or time-traveling backwards (in a sense)- the game was allowed to run with said glitch dominating the market, thus allowing people to create money from literally nothing. Which is what I used to do.

I say 'used to', because for all that CE that I made today, I am willing to say that 90% of it is "not legitimate", or spawned from that exploit. Who buys a Hacked Aura for 5 million crowns? Who bids 40,000 crowns on a low-UV autogun? If I had, on a whim, decided to put all my WTS items on the Auction House today- a Fancy Toupee for example?- I am willing to wager that 90% of them would have gone for BUYOUT, if not high bid. And when I say buyout, I am talking seven digits. Now multiply that by at least five items. I am not proud when I say I have profited, albeit indirectly, from today's events. I know this is a "moral standpoint" and that given the spotlight, 99% of us will take the "goody-good side". But I still say this, completely, honestly, and without regret. THREE RINGS. I DARE YOU. TURN BACK TIME TO WHEN THIS EXPLOIT STARTED, BECAUSE EVEN IF I MUST LOSE ALL THAT I GAINED TODAY, IT'S BETTER THAN HAVING A SHATTERED ECONOMY. I was on Trade Chat, when the exploit was being debated. And I remember saying in response to the typical "This is Trade Chat, keep outside convos to yourself, etc.": "There is nothing more to trade in this market." For all my costumes, for all my UVs- they're NOTHING compared with the events- the UNERASABLE events- of this afternoon.

And then, exacerbating the matters, OOO decides to ban Pawn from the forums. I know opinion is opinion, but in my eyes Pawn is one of the most worthy merchants out there- up in the ranks of myself, Lepreal, Rommil, Derpules, and others of high renown- and he has been struck down for two petty crimes and a spiteful "last strike". Here, I'll make my stand for Pawn and ask that Three Rings consider his ban. No, he has not asked me to do this for him. Yes, I believe that those who know that enough is ENOUGH should make their stand. I know the RSS protest was a failure. I know all CE protests in the past have been failures. But losing Rommil, and losing Pawn, is going to leave a lasting blow and a gap in the merchanting elite, and with this market, god knows what's going to happen.

And if I get erased for posting this, so be it.

Justice is most often served to those who need it least.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:05

Megatrondf

As a gamer of ten pluss years

As a gamer of ten pluss years now I can tell you that a roll back is the absolute worst thing that can be done 99% of the time. They also tend to cause more damage and cost more players than they save even in that 1% where they are actually warranted. So please stop asking for one.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:07

Retequizzle

you dun goofed the cyber

you dun goofed

the cyber police are on their way

Most people are going to read the above lines and think I'm supporting this sort of behavior. I'm not. In fact, it's kind of disgusting on all fronts to see how the users are responding to this with angry posts while simultaneously believing that the developers and GMs don't care about what everyone has to say. It's been hilarious for the better part of the afternoon to watch people play both the victim and the advocate for a "better future", but now it's just getting stupid if only because a ton of people are jumping on this moral bandwagon that left hours ago once everyone began having coronaries over the events of today.

We get it, a lot of people aren't happy over what happened. We get it, something SHOULD have been done. At the end of the day, hindsight is 20/20, and everyone can sit here and pretend that "things" should have been done sooner. These things can vary from "rolling back the server" to "banning everyone" but at the end of the day, these are options that are best left to hindsight. Sure, people can demand statistics about where exactly the crowns went, and ultimately, I see no reason why that can't be done, but in the grand scheme of things, people are misinterpreting a very important thing - this is a game. As a playerbase, you all -do- have a say in what happens, but everyone's so wrapped up in the market that they lose their voice when they start throwing their wallets at each and every promo, which would be the only logical explanation to the inherent backlash from the userbase today. Which is also ironic in and of itself, because if people didn't put such an emphasis on the market in an MMORPG, I guarantee you that this would be an oversight by any other definition.

At the end of the day, this should serve as a bit of a reality check for those who make the market their lives - there's more to the game than everyone seems to think, both on the user's end as well as the GM's/developer's end. If for some reason you feel that justice needs to be served, then make less angry posts and make more decisions with your wallets.

In the meantime, broken record, beating dead horse with a stick, etc.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 22:50

Reqy

Was Pawn's banning indeed

Was Pawn's banning indeed permanent? If the infractions stated in the posts in the other topic are true, was a perma-ban really deserved? I usually don't browse the forum much but from my interactions with pawn and from what I've seen on the forums, he always felt like he was a good guy and very helpful when I needed something answered.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 23:02

Sky-Hawk

Well said.

Couldn't agree more, Xai. The thing about OOO, is that they're becoming a money-hungry force as of now. Preparing for another promotion before the new one has even ended. And Megatrondf, think about the millions of crowns pumped into the economy? Now merchants can kiss their hopes good night, as a few knights can now dominate a massive market more than we could have imagined. And a roll-back is not bad, it should be required with a bug of this stature. I've seen this kind of neglect happen with another MMO that I have quit due to their constant head-turned attitude.

And honestly, if OOO is banning players for their opinions on this subject, they should rethink why they're in the business. If they're dominated by investors, I feel sorry for their futures as investors are ruthless towards company profits. But if this is all independent action, they need to revise their ideals and standards. Heck, hire an economist. That economist would slap them for letting a bug like this pass by. This is not something small. Several people made off with tons of crowns. Even if they say "most" were sunk into punch, this could be a hoax. in reality, there's more than 10 players this affected.

OOO, rethink your logic, please. :/

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 23:31

Rommil

Please don't permaban me

I will tell you pawn's warning history AS I KNOW IT.

Warning #1:
When the energy depot event came out, pawn raged and cussed the forums and OOO for 2-3 days. He asked for a temp ban repeatedly in these posts.

Warning #2:
A well known screaming troll avatar: raged in a thread in the GENERAL chat denouncing bumps. Pawn mocked him by saying "bump". He received a 2 day suspension for bumping (in game suspension). Honestly given the bazaar we didn't even really know that bumping was bannable/enforced, or there would be soooooooo many bans i would think.

Warning #3:
He called eury a liar, and they permabanned him for belittling another player/gm.

Pawn and i live together. This is the only 3 warning we can recall. I might be wrong. I could be wrong. But we hold no secrets from one another and this is the only 2 warnings and 3rd perma bann we know of.

Again i could be wrong. I don't think i am. This is the situation as we believe it.

Please don't permaban me for saying this.

For anyone who feels this is injustice, please contribute your support. Please know my desire is not to protect pawn. So many people know what he has done for new players and friends. This is crazy. I simply don't understand.

And yes a rollback would have been the best solution. They won't even let pawn post his quitting sale, or farewell post. I am his identical twin brother in real life. We live together. I feel their are no facts i am missing. How many people cuss in posts repeatedly month after month. How many bazaar posts are "bumped" repeatedly. I simply don't understand. It feels very spiteful, in my humble opinion.

Honestly, i just feel among "established" members of the community there should be a certain lvl of outrage about this. Pawn was made for a very legitimate reason. People were receiving $1000+ worth of ce for selling 100 ce. OOO bans the perpetrator and does nothing else...oh yeah, they ban my best friend and twinny pawn. A player who spent a couple hundred dollars on the game, not because he needed to, but to support the community. He truly was ~just a pawn.

i don't see how his infractions were any worse then people selling 100 ce for 900k. These folks new something nefarious was at hand, and gladly profited. Meanwhile pawn was merely outraged by the situation, and OOO's acceptance of it. Where was the justice in this? I guess the squeaky wheel gets the ban.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 23:32

Rommil

also

thank you Xair,

for one of the best posts i have ever read on these forums. Incredible. i could not have been more impressed by your words.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 00:06

Derpules

My opinion on this has changed.

When I thought this could be legit, I was against rollback.

Now that I know otherwise, I would have supported a rollback. . . at the time. But I honestly think that ship has sailed. Not just because OOO has already made their decision, but because a rollback *now* would be even more disastrous. It's too late; people have played too much since then.

Reason: the average Joe/Jill SKers have not suffered. It's nothing to them if someone else becomes a multimultimillionaire. The only thing that really affects them is the cost of CE, and that, it seems, has not been affected (much). That being the case, how will they feel if they lose what may be a whole day of progress--profit from runs, Krogmos earned, maybe bosses or even SLs cleared, lockboxes obtained from the price wheel, UVs crafted or punched, accs unboxed--to fix something they didn't even know about? Pretty damn pissed off.

I made 1 mil from this--won't lie. But what's 1 mil next to the devaluation of my efforts, or next to what others made? (Heck, you probably made more than that from sales. I didn't have anything up for sale, really, so I didn't gain there.) We're in the same boat. But note who's complaining: us. Merchants. The already rich. Perhaps we need to take one for the team here and recognise that the interests of the majority would not be served by a rollback.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 00:14

Rommil

i undrstand derpules

but can you please post your support for pawns reinstatement. I know it makes no difference in the grand scheme of things. But if you do support it, we would much appreciate it. if you don't, well then say so.. either way.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 00:26

Rommil

nevermind

they don't care about their players. whatever. OOO nice job. Hopefully in time you can completely harvest this game.

Harvest? srry you will need more than a 3rd grade education to understand this guys!

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 00:32

#10

Hellohippo

I'm not going to talk about

I'm not going to talk about what I think about OOO atm, I think enough has been said on that. And those that are close to me know how I feel, which is what matters.

But I do sincerely hope the devs will reconsider Pawn's perma ban. I don't know what exactly he did, but from reading around it doesn't sound all that bad. Most importantly he's a friend. Someone who has helped me out when needed and someone that enriched the whole SK experience for me.

And, if you can refuse support tickets for legit accidentally uv rolls BUT help those who RAGE and delete their character ON PURPOSE get their character back. I'm sure an exception can be made.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 00:47

#11

President-Trump

Perma ban? Was it from the forums or the entire game? Please tell me :)

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 01:08

#12

Wodanct

Honestly the reason he got perma banned is a complete joke.

Honestly, I've shoved a 30x1,000,000 on the market now hoping someone figures out how to exploit the market again. All they have taught us that it is ok to bank from exploits since nothing happened to those that abused the UV ticket compensation, and now nothing happened to those (including me) that abused the market during that time of havoc.

Lesson learned. Abuse exploits as long as you aren't the one creating it. /facepalm

I had a wall of text, I removed most it. I feel that it is a waste of time on a business acting like this.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 02:14

#13

Rommil

judge if u want

Judge if you want. And yes he was drunk.

Pawn actually cried while selling off his stuff for cheapsies/giving away for fee.
Thank you OOO. A year and a half lost.
You have enriched our lives...sort of.

apparently
~he was just a pawn in their game.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 02:05

#14

Rommil

plz

post your support.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 02:20

#15

Derpules

WHAT

Permaban? This I did not know. It's ridiculous.

100% for reinstatement.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 02:38

#16

Vokster

I'm not usually one to...Post about these serious matters n' such, but losing a few awesome guild mates in 1 night just isn't cool. :(

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 02:39

#17

Adamosaur

Initial topic?

I only check these forums for explanations or details about updates, deals, and major glitches. I don't trade through here, so I can't state any support for Pawn since I don't know the full story. Honestly I'm sure that OOO admins reading our posts have already made their decision. 10 players threatening to quit will probably not change their minds, given this isn't a simple scare tactic to spook you/Pawn/etc.

Back to the Post maker; Xair I agree with your statement. OOO seems to have messed up, but it's too late at this time to rollback. It is a nice way to place more crowns in circulation…won't be good for ce prices in the future. I was upset with this incident as well, having contributed well over a thousand hours and a decent amount of money towards this game. With these recent events of hacking and serious abuse of the economy system, I am very reluctant to pay any more money towards SK. I have spent a lot of time on this game and have loved it all. I only fear the increasing ce prices are driving away new players, not driving players to buy ce with real money. The thought that 'it's just a game' sticks in my head, which is true. It isn't just a game, it is OOO's game, and they can do what they want (QQ to nerfing my once-beloved rss).
Honestly I'm a bit torn on the issue. At this point a rollback is more harmful than helpful. Considering many players were not online (including myself) during this 4 hour long fest it would hurt more players than it would help. Even with the idea of Justice, it would be unrighteous to eliminate a full day from players who were not involved in this issue. Personally I didn't notice anything when I logged on. It was a guildie who told me what happened (hence checking the forums for the first time in a week) to make me inquire. And even then, reversing an entire day may turn more players away than the 5, 6, 10 that retire from here. Of course, the 50 new players who are playing SK as their first week are less valuable than 5 veterans who literally are the exclusive/high end market nowadays, but still, it's too late for a rollback.
Hopefully the money will be spent soon and the directly visible effects will wear off (such as your stated high-bids/buys). And for the record, sinking crowns into UVs is still valuable to many of us. It usually takes the money out of circulation until you get that max UV leading to an unbind + sell. Most of the times I'm doing vana/SL is to get crowns for UV rolling, since I have the gear and costumes that I want already.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 04:59

#18

Our-Little-Ajo

I want Pawn back

People made millions with the bug, and I know a couple that STILL have that cr/ce after the updates.

I was working when this crap happend, and I ndver though that Pawn could get banned because his oppinion.

Saddly for me, in front of OOO my words means nothing due to my F2P status.

Bring back Pawn, let him retire the BIG WAY, like he deserves.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 05:50

#19

Vanillateddy

Pawn that's all he was.

You know thats just crap, i knew pawn as much as i know Rommil, i played with them in a couple games had them on my friends list like 6 months ago but after my break i had removed almost everyone. But to know that a good person i used to play witha and a good person to everyone else was banned from the forums of which he enriched people, thats crap.

Yea he might have got pissed in forums once bumped a guy that hated bumping and got really pissed when OOO did nothing but watch as it fell apart for hours, but thats because he had concern for the game and quite frankly just wanted an explanation.

I Think Pawn should have never been banned to begin with i meen come on he was pissed just like most people. and he started giving his stuff away because of all this? COME ON. He was a great guy no one ever talked down about him from what i saw and yet he talks down a gm for lieing and gets a Permanent.

They can justify that it was a series of bans that caused this perma but really why pawn theres more outrageous people out there millions of time worse then him.

Now you cant tell me it was justified because its just WRONG.

I know alot of this is repetative but hey thats all i can do. Sink it in your mind.

IT WAS WRONG.

GIVE BACK OUR PAWN. The Communities Pawn.

Ide very much like to be able to read his Farewell, because after his giving away cmon really.
I want to be able to just let him know i feel for him.

And i dont meen to steal this but

~He was just a Pawn in their game.

Vanillateddy T.T

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 06:04

#20

Shoebox

Somebody managed to hack a

Somebody managed to hack a pair of Rock Climbing Boots into Spiral Knights.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 06:11

#21

Weegeeftws

Y u no sell me your Cheese!?!?!?!

I will not give my opinion on what happened to the CE prices yesterday, or any of the other shenanigans that has happened.

I will say this though, although I do believe a Permaban may have been a bit harsh, Pawn has on several occasions lashed out at OOO and other members of the community. Now of course you may say he was telling the truth, and sure I don't believe Pawn to be a liar, not one bit, but saying that, does it really give him any right to act like a, well not to be stereotypical here, a child? I do not know Pawn personally and have only ever had one problem with him which was obsolete, I don't dwell on the bad things that happen, optimism is the definition of myself, so I do not know how he is in-game but some of his behaviour on the forums has been appalling and down right rude. Most of the time when he gives an opinion he seems to talk down to people. Whether that's intended or not I have no idea, I'd like to assume not. You are his friends or his twin, in your case Rommil, and I fully understand why you guys are annoyed, I would be too. That however is not a good enough reason to un-ban him after the way he's acted.

Like I said though, maybe a Permaban was a bit harsh, and I apologise if I haven't said what you guys wanted to hear. Just stating an opinion and have done in, hopefully, a reasonable way. If he is un-banned great, if not, you can't exactly say he hasn't been warned about the rules before. I'm half and half on this issue, I'd whole heartedly support it being changed to a temp-ban, but not him being let off Scott-free for breaking the rules.

~The Mighty Cheese Knight; WeeGee

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 06:12

#22

Shadowrook

initial topic

who the hell even floods the Ce market just to gain more crowns i mean your only ever going to get that many crowns if your doing shadow lairs so if they flooded the market to get the best stuff they already have the best stuff the weirdo just flooded the Ce market FOR FUN THAT IS DOWNRIGHT SICK

PS. people who pay for Ce with crowns had their sessions interrupted by this rubbish and were outright exploited(scammed if i may say) so yeah i would permanently ban the people who did this and send the crowns back to those who were used as a pawn in this

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 06:44

#23

Glittertind

Shooting birds with a cannon.

So I guess I'll just throw my five cents in here too, for the heck of it, even though I might not be the right person to throw anything, anywhere. The following reasoning is based off of what I've read today:

I don't know Pawn myself, but I don't see any reason why he should be treated differently than anyone else. Three strikes. Out. That's how OOO operates, and if you find it unjust you can easily send in an appeal as to why you think you should be spared. Maybe OOO went a little bird huntin' with a cannon, or maybe they just saw him as a regular rulebreaker like anyone else and gave him what they saw fit. Not that he makes the case any better with what he threw at the Community Manager. Anyhow, point is;
Pawn lashed out at the Community Manager and Three Rings of his own free will (not a good idea to begin with, I'd say, but oh well) and took the burn as it got back'round. (No offence toward anyone, just slipping some opinions & thoughts under the door.)

Happens™

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:07

#24

Vanillateddy

A certain pattern

There's always one of those patterns that pops up in one way or another, but here's the on I see now.
Either your for Pawn or For OOO doing the right thing.
But to me I don't think it was the right thing.

The glitch in the system is a huge contriversal thing, yes its not going to get a rollback people will whine to much about the past 24 hours.

But in aall honesty I think Pawns reaction whether drunk or not, was something to be expected from someone. Someone was going to do it someone was going to speak out. Heck it might as well have been everyone.

I don't think what Pawn did was bad or otherwise that was to me a normal reaction to something so huge. Because I'm sure everyones thought it by now, that its all a lie coverup unfair thing.

Its just that Pawn, said it out loud.

But I do believe Pawn should should be allowed back on the forum.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 07:34

#25

Pookycakes

Banning Pawn was probably the

Banning Pawn was probably the worst thing OOO did during that exploit, especially since he only told the truth about what happened to the hacked crowns. Some did go into Punch UV rolling but we all know most of it is still around and not in Punch's bank account.

I still admit that he made his point in a pretty agressive and clumsy way, but I would be raging too if i saw someone make as much money as he did in 10 minutes while he spent a thousand or more hours doing it.

That would just feel very very wrong.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:14

#26

Glittertind

Colorful, drunk, bugs.

Vanilla, the world isn't black and white mate, and what happened was a bug. Bugs happen. There is no game that is one hundred percent flawless without any bugs at all. This bug was sadly found by the wrong person who intentionally exploited it to the maximum. This really doesn't give Pawn any reason to say what he said. Drunk or not.
Sure, he could've said what he felt about it, but he should have done so within the boundaries of the Terms Of Service.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:21

#27

Shadowrook

i agree with weedalot if he

i agree with weedalot if he breaks rules frequently and pisses the management off he got what was coming for him end of dont care how good a guy HE SEEMED TO BE but what the people in management see in their logs is rule breaker who pisses off people in high places

h got what was coming like weedalot said at least one person can see the truth (along with all the others who've posted something along the same lines)
shadowrook

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 08:55

#28

Retequizzle

@ Shadowrook - it's the

@ Shadowrook - it's the opposite situation. The guy didn't take something for nothing, he gave everyone else something for nothing. The only reason it's being deemed an issue is because the rich became richer while the poor and/or people who have lives outside of SK made no profit, which leaves a moral standard that a lot of people are questioning excessively. That's about it.

Too lazy to read the rest of the posts, oh well.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:01

#29

Derpules

^This.

Although a lucky few poor players benefited too.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:25

#30

Glittertind

Pew pew.

That's just the bug part of the case, we're talking about Pawn here. He never had anyone put a gun to his head and tell him to post what he did.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:31

#31

Riodaisho

Just readed OP, sorry.

Did you all go insane?
Honestly, a rollback is the worst thing you could possible do and way too much time went by already.
I am amazed how much you guys go crazy about this.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:31

#32

Guyinshinyarmour

*Sigh*

No matter your influence, no matter your wealth, all are treated equally under the rules. From the troll to a community pillar, all are equal. That is the ideal we shoot for.

And yet, OOO doesn't do this. They are incredibly schizophrenic in their enforcement. Truly a shame.

Do I think Pawn deserves leniency because he's one of said pillars? No. But nor do I expect OOO to give leniency to those who prosper in sketchy practices. And yet they were all basically given amnesty.

I guess I have no point in what I'm saying. It's all just one big mess.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 09:59

#33

Wodanct

The only way a rollback would of been bad is if Three Rings has poorly maintained backups or not having a backup that was within a reasonable time frame.

I'm in favor of Pawn, but it is pointless to even bother. Three Rings never admits when they make a mistake. UV tickets, screwing up the RSS, this CE market bug, and other things, but never once did you guys ever see an apology right. The same will only happen again this time.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:05

#34

Byas

I haven't met Pawn in-game

I haven't met Pawn in-game but from what I see from the forums and the "last warning" (that was calling OOO liars), they really have gone too far with the punishment. Deleting the post or even giving a week ban at max could have been understandable but perma-ban... seriously? I wonder who the hell thinks this was the best course of action.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:07

#35

Sylveon

I do believe that there is

I do believe that there is valid reasoning to being angry at this
The way -everybody- is handling said anger and frustration (OOO included)
Is dumb

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 10:18

#36

Thimol

-----

Pawn actually cried while selling off his stuff for cheapsies/giving away for fee.
http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx149/Idylleaus/Reac/1278027121907.gif

That being said, I haven't logged on for the past several weeks, so I wasn't savvy to this whole jacking up of the ce price. But then hearing that Pawn was banned because of his gripe with this incident (and I imagine that anyone else would react much the same) left a very bad taste in my mouth.

Let's bring him back, even if his posts were largely annoying and douchey.

PS: in light of OOO's recent trend of responding to the playerbase, this thread will most likely be an attempt of futility.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 11:17

#37

Vanillateddy

A certain pattern

@ Weedalot

I agree there probly could have been a better way for him to have said something if at all.

but if you want to start talking on terms of service, OOO needs to start bannining for bumps. Because its there...

About the bug, sorry I haven't really found the right word to use for it, but I'm in total agreeance about the fact bugs happen but it still urks me that OOO didn't try and do more faster.. I would think they would be prepared for something like this.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 14:10

#38

Icegill

Look! A crown!

No matter what happens from what happened on Wednesday, Three Rings knows they made a huge mistake and all of us need to know that they are thinking of this. Trust me when I tell you they won't let this go without some sort of effect. I am almost certain they will not take away people's crowns, though.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 15:43

#39

Weegeeftws

Y u no sell me- Holy shizz 100,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, this was a lot worse than bumping Vanilla, a lot worse. To deny so is to be blind. So, so blind. If you really feel it was unfair, then fair enough it's an opinion, but this is way bigger than bumping I can assure you of that. Imagine you try and handle this situation to please the vast majority of a community made up of hundreds of thousands of people, then when you figure out the best possible way, after it's too late for a rollback, and you reveal what the source of this problem was, you are called blatant liars by some drunk kid who is annoyed and has no evidence to prove that you are lying at all. No evidence. At all.

You can sit and argue it to be an injustice or an overreaction from the devs but at the end of the day as I stated, he broke the rules. And he did so in a BIG way. Yes many of us are annoyed by this. But he chose to shout and accuse, he acted out, and thus he got banned. Simple as.
He just said what most of us are feeling? Wrong. I've met many people today that don't even know that the CE fluctuation happened. I've also met people that just down right don't care. And as for saying what you merchants think, sure, but guess what. You guys didn't act in such an uncivil way, thus you guys are not banned.

What he did was wrong, against the rules. He got banned. Seems reasonable to me. I've stated my opinion on the perma ban in my previous post but you guys are just making up excuses now. This makes me feel like he shouldn't come back, at all.

~The Mighty Cheese Knight; WeeGee

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 15:49

#40

Glittertind

Bum-PERMABAN.

Well, Vanilla, if Pawn hadn't said anything at all. He wouldn't have gotten banned. If Pawn had dropped the last sentences where he lashed out at Three Rings and the Community Manager, he probably wouldn't have been banned. And 'bumps' can't really match up to what he said. It'd be dumb if people constantly ended up with perma-bans over bumps. Warnings are probably more used in that area.

The thing with Pawns perma-ban, is that he already had amassed several temporary bans. There's really nothing special with it, it's just that he happened to get his last strike with exactly that post.

In the end, no one could really see this coming, and Three Rings couldn't know that it was someone exploiting a bug as soon as it happened. They're not going to interfere with the market, so if someone has a lot of cash to crash the market, they can do that legally, without Three Rings doing anything. But the bug & exploit makes this special. I like to believe they did what they could, when they could.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 16:02

#41

Fehzor

Why don't you do something about it then? I even made a guide about how an individual player can change the game through charisma and money- http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/63936

If you don't like the way things are, then leave. That's how things work around here, if you haven't noticed. If you protest, you're too small of a percent to be heard. I mean, its a shame that they did this, but again- there are worse evils than Spiral Knights.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 16:10

#42

Vanillateddy

@Weedalot

For the Bump thing they shouldnt have to perma ban but they should have some kind of consequence.

As for the amount of bans Pawn had there were only 3 from what Rommil stated, One of them including the new ban. Yes there might have been more then that i get that too but that could also be warnings, not everyones perfect. just like this game isnt perfect.

Yes i understand what Pawn did was bad i understand that is something to ban about. Yes he shouldnt have yelled at them but hey what happened happened, drunk crazy silly or not, like i said someone might have done it anyway.

As for not everyone careing yes i know people dont care either i can agree with that as well my friends didnt really care either, but there are still a majority that are mad or have some kind of thought about it.

And i understand no one can see this coming obviously no one did but im sure plenty of people had reported it like they said, so why wasnt it delt with faster if your probly getting a report every minute why did they not act better? Because im sure it wouldnt be hard to put out a message real quick stateing the server was going down for maitnence im sure people would understand why they would do that, and im sure if they had the bug finder wouldnt have spiked the market a second time.. and they would have been able to take care of the situation better.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 16:14

#43

Dancinjen

I just want to make sure that

I just want to make sure that everyone knows he's not banned from the game he's only perma banned from the forums. He's still able to get into the game.

I'll repeat this again...

HE IS NOT BANNED FROM THE GAME ITSELF.

HE IS PERMABANNED FROM THE FORUMS.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 16:38

#44

Fehzor

^And that justifies it?

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 16:50

#45

Dancinjen

I already said my opinion in

I already said my opinion in another thread.

I'll say it here too... actually let me find it and I'll copy and paste it. I'm too lazy to type it out again.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 16:52

#46

Glittertind

Dashing bashing.

Vanilla, anyone can freely criticize Three Rings and their ways, and people do that all the time. But not the way Pawn did. That wasn't regular criticizm. That was straight out bashing, and anyone doing such a thing will most likely get burnt within the next minutes. No matter who it is.

As for Three Rings. We don't really know what happened behind the scenes, and we most likely won't get to know either, and we can only make assumptions. However, I assume they did their best to sort out what really happened to the market and why this was happening, and stop the madman, but I'm probably as clueless as anyone. That's all I've got to say on that.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 17:21

#47

Dancinjen

I couldn't find my post in

I couldn't find my post in the other thread but I will type up a bit of what I had said...

I am okay with the fact that pawn got banned for a short amount of time until he cooled down a bit about the situation. The perma-ban was a bit over the top, but it isn't like they can't appeal it because they can.

Basically it's like this... This is three ring's game and if they don't want to put up with someone bad mouthing them they don't have to put up with it. If someone comes into your home are you going to let them stay in your house because "freedom of speech they have the right to say what they want" or are you going to kick them out because well by golly that's your house and you don't have to listen to it. It's your house and if you don't want someone disrespecting you in your house then you have every right to kick them out. They aren't entitled to stay or be in YOUR house. It's not their home, or their place, or their business. It's yours.

The same goes to any business. They have the right to kick you out of their store or office if they so choose to do so. If you're going to go into a store and start yelling about how they cheated you out of something, do you REALLY think they will let you stay in the store yelling like that? HECK NO. They are going to ask you to leave. So, how is this any different? How is three rings allowing people to constantly bash them any different from someone doing that in an actual store? Just because it's the internet doesn't mean there won't be consequences to your actions, or that you have a right/entitled to stay here. No. you don't. If you're going to say something negative and be negative to anything in life, you better expect consequences to your actions.

So many people think they have to be catered to at every whim and beckoning and I'm tired of it. If you do something wrong there will be consequences. Own it and face it. If you don't like what three rings is doing then leave, shut up, or try to talk about it in a civil manner that people can actually listen to and what to listen to.

Nothing against Pawn. He normally isn't like that, at least that i've seen. Yes, he was perma banned, but it's not like they can't go back and change that in the future. He's quitting anyways. He is still able to log in and give his stuff away and say good bye. Rommil still has access to the forums. Everything will be okay. It isn't the end of the world. They probably only intended for it to be for a short time anyways.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 17:10

#48

Vanillateddy

@Weedalot

Yah ill agree on that.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 17:16

#49

Njthug

Tonight I can make you my Queen n make luv 2 you endless.... =0

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/1413

^
That might help you guys understand why Pawn was banned.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 17:24

#50

Xylka-Mkii

Wow I missed a LOT

CE raging is one thing. A literal breaking of the economy is another. And Permabanning Pawn because he called someone a liar?

...Just no.

REAlly? I mean yeah it is technically against forum rules, and I don't want to say too much since I did not see the extent of his posts, but insults blame and rage is OBVIOUSLY going to arise if a bug threatened the continuation of the game itself. I think a permaban for one of the greatest merchants in the game, who supported the game with so much money, should be the very LAST of priorities when dealing with an economic issue.

Heck I know from conversations with him that he can find some good solutions around problems aside from the evident ones.

I support this thread fully, and do hope he could re join the forums in some way, but there's likely no chance OOO will let him back.

At least he's still in game though.

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